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Reply #30 posted 12/30/03 6:03pm

Romance1600

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MrTation said:


That's a bit harsh. Just because you created a thread doesnt mean you have the right to police it.


Who's policing?

I'm just saying if you think fans of pop music artist should stay out of the artists private life, why reply to a thread about said musicians private life, just to tell others to stay out of it confuse
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Reply #31 posted 12/30/03 6:04pm

charlottegelin

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I totally agree. Mayte gets a lot of unfair stuff said about her.

My opinion is that some people trash Mayte now solely based on that she's Prince's EX-wife and they, in some twisted way think they're 'supporting' Prince or are being a good FAM by insulting her or putting her down. (aside from those who have legitimate opinions, good or bad, about her based on her music, dance etc) those same people then praise Mani as some sort of perfect sainted angel merely because she's Prince's *current* wife.

If Prince dumped Mani tomorrow then *she'd* become the new target of famhate and she'd be villified, and his next significant other would become the new "perfect one for Prince".


Mani's copping just as much flak though, anyone in her position would. It's human nature to speak ill of those you envy.
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Reply #32 posted 12/30/03 6:08pm

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PrimordialOoze said:


Mani's copping just as much flak though, anyone in her position would. It's human nature to speak ill of those you envy.


I've spoken ill of Mani before but it's not out of envy it's because the few times I've encountered her she wasn't the nicest person I've ever met.

Seriously tho I know what you mean. It sure seems like Mayte gets the harsher treatment from the fans though.
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Reply #33 posted 12/30/03 6:27pm

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charlottegelin said:

PrimordialOoze said:


Mani's copping just as much flak though, anyone in her position would. It's human nature to speak ill of those you envy.


I've spoken ill of Mani before but it's not out of envy it's because the few times I've encountered her she wasn't the nicest person I've ever met.

Seriously tho I know what you mean. It sure seems like Mayte gets the harsher treatment from the fans though.


I certainly envy these girls because of the opportunity they may get from time to time, to wander on down to the Vault and take a listen!!!

But I also feel sorry for them being under constant public scrutiny. Who can manage to be polite and civil at all times, I know I can't (lol) but luckily when I am rude or grouchy in public, nobody is taking my picture or reporting it on the internet.

Celebrities are the target of gossip now because we don't know our neighbours anymore like in the good old days before the global village. It used to be "Mavis Smith is such a town bike, have you seen how short her skirt is? You can almost see her ankles!!" now it's Mayte this, Mani that. What can you expect? Good gossip and the smug pleasure of engaging in it will never go away.

Celebrities learn to grow a thick skin, it's part of their job - fame has 2 sides, and they got to take the bad with the good. If nobody was talking about them they would be nobodies - remember that, people!
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Reply #34 posted 12/30/03 6:44pm

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Did someone say Mayte??? drool
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Reply #35 posted 12/30/03 7:00pm

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Romance1600 said:

MrTation said:


That's a bit harsh. Just because you created a thread doesnt mean you have the right to police it.


Who's policing?

I'm just saying if you think fans of pop music artist should stay out of the artists private life, why reply to a thread about said musicians private life, just to tell others to stay out of it confuse



Why not?He is entitled to state his opinion just as you are.He hardly deserves to be called a liar.
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Reply #36 posted 12/30/03 7:02pm

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Revolution said:

Did someone say Mayte??? drool

Co-sign. drool

I'm in love with her arse. drool
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Reply #37 posted 12/30/03 7:02pm

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Marrk said:

agreed. it's childish and petty. if prince was still with her she wouldn't get all the hatred some orgers display towards her.

I question some orgers intelligence on this.



well said marrk,
i used 2 pop in2 the org 2 c what was hapnin way b4 i even got an account here. the reason it took me so long 2 hook up with u guy's was...

a thread on mayte the whore / scumbag / f**kin bitch etc, i remember thinkin 2 myself f**kin hell ! these peeps need treatment i've never commented on p's relationships cos its f**k all 2 do with any of us !,even worse commenting on the baby gregory ! f**kin sick it's no orger's bizness !!! and sickens me that peeps on here think it's fair game ! get a life and leave the comments 2 prince and his music pls.

1 last thing emancipation was a beautiful record of prince's love 4 mayte ! hail emancipation !

rant over !!!
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Reply #38 posted 12/30/03 7:47pm

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MrTation said:



Why not?He is entitled to state his opinion just as you are.He hardly deserves to be called a liar.


Romance1600 hardly deserved being called "sad," which MrLoveSexy called him. Romance was simply pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in the act of posting your opinion that it's sad to comment on Prince's personal life, right after having commented on Prince's personal life. Seems to me like you have a grudge with Romance over something else, because he's not the one who started the name-calling. So what's the deal?
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Reply #39 posted 12/30/03 8:00pm

MrLovesexy

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MrLovesexy said:

I'll stay about the mans music and his Live shows etc...the way he really wants us "all" 2 B. This extra nosiness and trying 2 play Prince detective is really rather sad 4 those who seem 2 enjoy crossing the line.

I think everyone would rather focus on his music and out of his personal life... and if we weren't so bored waiting for him to finally release some new music we would do that.

However, to be fair, let's keep in mind that the main reason there's this "Mayte's a whore" notion amongst some of his "fams" on the org is that Prince essentially stated it in the songs on RAVE (as well, depending on your interpretation of the song, in Wasted Kisses). So I don't see any reason why he should air her dirty laundry but we should keep the veil of secrecy over his indiscretions?

In addition, Prince doesn't seem to have any problems with imposing his personal beliefs on others--which is essentially his way of invading our personal life the same way we invade his. In fact, I think part of the reason some people (like me:)) don't really mind invading his privacy is because we feel he crosses the line by invading ours and telling us how we need to live our life and how we need to think. Treat others like they treat you.



*Well dig its simple if thats how U feel...don't support him or his music in anyway. Did he put a gun 2 your head and say go 2 my ONA concert 2 hear me preach the word? No...so move on.

Wheres the common sense at when U and others like U use the poor reasons of well where sooo bored just waiting 4 him 2 do something, drop a album etc...so until then I'll stick my nose where the sun don't shine? And your proud of this U say?


He's Invading? is he waging war against "U"? Is he taking over your mind body and soul let alone your knowing whats truly right & whats just plain wrong? Poor examples U gave sorry...interpretation, haha...some of U read 2 hard between the lines with somethings...so I called U out (spotlight) 4 this nutty act U deem sane...

And this is how some of U show U love him? respect him? adore him? look up 2 him? wanna treat him, huh?
Who needs a enemy...

pretty much then right? U R trying 2 walk both sides of the fence, cuz U lack much sense. This is your right 2 B your own self proclaimed Prince owner. Yeah thats right cuz, 2 many of y'all take stuff so personal as if he owes U all the music U want and the type of music U want...like a bunch of spoiled babies...

shake yourselfs~ Get with the right program & stop crying & complaining cuz he's not your private slave who U could go tell 2 make me great music now, move it ASAP! OH Silly man thats not how it works.

At the end of the day Prince ain't going 2 sit and tell U all the things U waste your life around trying 2 figure out. The love of gossip and living a half ass life seeing the rest is spent in somebody elses biz don't make U no real fan friend or supporter of his...And If Prince read half the crap about himself his wife X's, mom & dad, his personal losses etc... then I'm pretty sure he wouldn't mind losing a few more so called fans if this is how U best represent.
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Reply #40 posted 12/30/03 8:04pm

MrLovesexy

theblueangel said:

MrTation said:



Why not?He is entitled to state his opinion just as you are.He hardly deserves to be called a liar.


Romance1600 hardly deserved being called "sad," which MrLoveSexy called him. Romance was simply pointing out the inherent hypocrisy in the act of posting your opinion that it's sad to comment on Prince's personal life, right after having commented on Prince's personal life. Seems to me like you have a grudge with Romance over something else, because he's not the one who started the name-calling. So what's the deal?



***Read it right learn how 2 read...I have NO issue with Romance. I'm cool with this thread as I was making a point along side 2 what he stated. I was not refering 2 Romance as "sad". Just read it right next time please...
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Reply #41 posted 12/30/03 8:08pm

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It's as if some of you think she reads this and gives a flying fuck!
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Reply #42 posted 12/30/03 8:11pm

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Well, I'm sorry if I read your post wrong, but this is what you said:

"I'll stay about the mans music and his Live shows etc...the way he really wants us "all" 2 B. This extra nosiness and trying 2 play Prince detective is really rather sad 4 those who seem 2 enjoy crossing the line."

So I now understand that you're not calling Romance sad, but you're calling SOMEone sad, right? What do you think is crossing the line? Emancipation is ABOUT Prince and Mayte's marriage and pregnancy...so is it crossing the line to talk about the baby's passing? Or the divorce? Or who cheated on whom? When you have songs like "I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore" and "Man O War" and you say things like "My Puerto Rican baby don't live here no more" on the Rave special...when you do those things in your art, you can't then turn around when it's convenient for you and have disdain for people when they express interest in the life of their favorite artist.
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Reply #43 posted 12/30/03 9:00pm

MrLovesexy

Romance1600 said:

Then why are you even replying to this thread.

You're a liar.

If Prince wants to be an artist (nay, "The Artist"), then that means he puts his personal life in his music right? So we discuss the music, we discuss the personal life.

You don't like it, don't reply - you're opinion of what should and should not be done, is just an opinion, as is mine and everyone elses.[/quote]

Yawn~~~

Well...after reading this one...(shakes head) Lawd, look dude, I thought your point was well taken about Mayte and people jumping out of there skin 2 slam her.

U some how took it rather personal...4 whatever reason as I clearly said nothing against the thread itself. Even thou U meant well, your title could have been done more respectful. But after reading your above statement...U sound no different then the ones I called out. If thats your thinking...I ask: what R U the owner of a part-time heart or what?

U Make sense with this thread yet your overall view of your rights 2 another mans life is wrong... See Me No liar, but I can tell it like it is and call a rat a rat. Knowing the difference from a mouse...auh get-it? U see I'm talking about what Prince don't talk about on record -> Closed door affairs not open 2 your nosiness. Not talking about the fragments or hints in songs that y'all try 2 string a whole book out of. what he's giving up in his music more power 2 him, but some do take it way 2 far with there need 2 know "content". If he wanted 2 B a puzzle then I'm sure he wouldn't B in music.

Within reason is one thing but, I'm sure he wouldn't dig U as a fan if he knew how nosey U R, and the crap U promoted right? Fair enough...some "so called real fans" ain't that fair in respect 2 him.
But...stop acting like this site plays by the rules all the time and don't get ill in the form of sick bad tasteless threads regarding his life. Thats what I'm talking about~

Don't know how long U been on the Org son but trust theres been more stuff that made it as a thread that should have never seen the light of day! If U feel your entitled 2 every inch of the mans world...U got serious issues. Nothing about name calling as it is helping U look hard in that mirror~
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Reply #44 posted 12/30/03 9:47pm

MrLovesexy

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Well, I'm sorry if I read your post wrong, but this is what you said:

"I'll stay about the mans music and his Live shows etc...the way he really wants us "all" 2 B. This extra nosiness and trying 2 play Prince detective is really rather sad 4 those who seem 2 enjoy crossing the line."

So I now understand that you're not calling Romance sad, but you're calling SOMEone sad, right? What do you think is crossing the line? Emancipation is ABOUT Prince and Mayte's marriage and pregnancy...so is it crossing the line to talk about the baby's passing? Or the divorce? Or who cheated on whom? When you have songs like "I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore" and "Man O War" and you say things like "My Puerto Rican baby don't live here no more" on the Rave special...when you do those things in your art, you can't then turn around when it's convenient for you and have disdain for people when they express interest in the life of their favorite artist.


* Your sorry, no problem. Ain't mad at'cha.

Ok I'm done after this one...4 the most part read my reply 2 Romance. "Sad" -> meaning its a sad situation, a "sad" state of affairs. got me?

Look Within reason...in a healthy respectful creative aspects. U talk about things ask wonder have discussions etc COOL. But I'm talking about "the people here who overdo it". Past that line of being respectful towards him or family etc...not about every freaking little thing...please. But do all these threads stand 4 healthy respectful thoughts feelings & expressions of quality? NO. Not everythings in lifes rosy either, the good comes with the bad but "speculating" gets ya where? We need better thinking on the Org and stop walking with the dumb deaf & blind, nosy guessers & gossipers.

Flat out Theres a right way and a wrong way. Thats all I'm saying. I'd feel like a nut-case if I got 2 hot and heavy 4 everything thats Prince. Keep a sense of clearity 4 heaven sakes and bitch slap yourself if need-B. whatever it takes 2 keep U from crossing over into somebody else's personal life...How could anyone B satisfied with having 3% of the facts if that at all.

I'm a huge supporter from get, but I could careless about what Prince deems personal...not my bag. whats so hard 2 get? Its like a man whos in your personal space with his camera when U get out of the car on your property and he's in your face without your permission, cuz he feels its his right 2???...Who wants that...wheres the respect? U only want what U feel U gotta have...its all the same & wrong!

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Reply #45 posted 12/31/03 7:33am

BanishedBrian

MrLovesexy said:

BanishedBrian said:

MrLovesexy said:

I'll stay about the mans music and his Live shows etc...the way he really wants us "all" 2 B. This extra nosiness and trying 2 play Prince detective is really rather sad 4 those who seem 2 enjoy crossing the line.

I think everyone would rather focus on his music and out of his personal life... and if we weren't so bored waiting for him to finally release some new music we would do that.

However, to be fair, let's keep in mind that the main reason there's this "Mayte's a whore" notion amongst some of his "fams" on the org is that Prince essentially stated it in the songs on RAVE (as well, depending on your interpretation of the song, in Wasted Kisses). So I don't see any reason why he should air her dirty laundry but we should keep the veil of secrecy over his indiscretions?

In addition, Prince doesn't seem to have any problems with imposing his personal beliefs on others--which is essentially his way of invading our personal life the same way we invade his. In fact, I think part of the reason some people (like me:)) don't really mind invading his privacy is because we feel he crosses the line by invading ours and telling us how we need to live our life and how we need to think. Treat others like they treat you.



*Well dig its simple if thats how U feel...don't support him or his music in anyway. Did he put a gun 2 your head and say go 2 my ONA concert 2 hear me preach the word? No...so move on.

Wheres the common sense at when U and others like U use the poor reasons of well where sooo bored just waiting 4 him 2 do something, drop a album etc...so until then I'll stick my nose where the sun don't shine? And your proud of this U say?


He's Invading? is he waging war against "U"? Is he taking over your mind body and soul let alone your knowing whats truly right & whats just plain wrong? Poor examples U gave sorry...interpretation, haha...some of U read 2 hard between the lines with somethings...so I called U out (spotlight) 4 this nutty act U deem sane...

And this is how some of U show U love him? respect him? adore him? look up 2 him? wanna treat him, huh?
Who needs a enemy...

pretty much then right? U R trying 2 walk both sides of the fence, cuz U lack much sense. This is your right 2 B your own self proclaimed Prince owner. Yeah thats right cuz, 2 many of y'all take stuff so personal as if he owes U all the music U want and the type of music U want...like a bunch of spoiled babies...

shake yourselfs~ Get with the right program & stop crying & complaining cuz he's not your private slave who U could go tell 2 make me great music now, move it ASAP! OH Silly man thats not how it works.

At the end of the day Prince ain't going 2 sit and tell U all the things U waste your life around trying 2 figure out. The love of gossip and living a half ass life seeing the rest is spent in somebody elses biz don't make U no real fan friend or supporter of his...And If Prince read half the crap about himself his wife X's, mom & dad, his personal losses etc... then I'm pretty sure he wouldn't mind losing a few more so called fans if this is how U best represent.

No, you (or "U" as obsessed "fams" like you might say) don't get it.

I don't particularly like Prince as an individual, and I don't have a whole lot of respect for him as a person. At the same time, I enjoy listening to his music, and watching him as a performer. I also like and respect a lot of his long-time fans--which is the main reason I like coming to the org.

I'm perfectly able to differentiate between Prince the musician and Prince the individual, just as I do with other artists that I enjoy listening to but who may be @$$holes in their personal life. It's the same way I can root for the Vikings in good conscience even though I don't respect Randy Moss as a person. When I listen to Prince rant on TRC, it doesn't bother me at all, it's actally comical--which actually adds to my enjoyment of the music. When I read the "Christmess" messages, I don't get mad, I love it because it's hilarious comedy.

So the bottom line, is you don't have to like or respect Prince to like and respect his music. And you don't have to give $.02 about his personal life, but you also don't have to artificicially respect his privacy--especially when he chooses to put a topic in the public domain by singing about it. And yes, I'm not ashamed at all to feel this way.

So I don't go around "gossiping" about his parents, Gregory, Mani, Mayte, etc. Frankly, like you, I just don't really care that much what goes on in his personal life--though for different reasons than you:

U don't care because he tells U not 2 care; as U are a follower (not a leader) who tries 2 coopt his way of thinking and writing, etc., in hopes that it will somehow bring U acknowledgement from him someday.

I just don't care--which is why I don't scan NPGMC message boards or the org looking for news, gossip, etc., and why I've never bothered to read one of those Jon Bream or Alex Hahn books. At the same time, if a topic about his personal life arises in discussion, I don't mind stating the truth about it--even if it hurts his fams to hear it--because I don't believe his personal business is somehow anymore sacrosanct that Michael Jackson's, Kobe's, Clinton's, etc.
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Reply #46 posted 12/31/03 8:00am

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well said BanishedBrian, i agree!
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Reply #47 posted 12/31/03 8:53am

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rudedog said:

No seriously, Prince was probably out a lot and Mayte fell to temptation, its no excuse. If she did do what Prince alluded to her doing, then what she did was wrong and illegal in most states in the U.S. smile It's something she'll have to live with and something she'll have to make up for cause it seems like the KARMA-boomarang is hittin her real hard right now smile

The notion that Mayte cheated on Prince and that he was faithful is pure speculation--based solely on his side of the story as set forth in RAVE.

Ask somebody who worked at PP whether or not Prince was seeing any other women long before Mayte went to Spain.


Yea, and they say it was that Mani person... j/k
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Reply #48 posted 12/31/03 8:55am

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charlottegelin said:[quote]

PrimordialOoze said:

charlottegelin said:

PrimordialOoze said:


Mani's copping just as much flak though, anyone in her position would. It's human nature to speak ill of those you envy.


I've spoken ill of Mani before but it's not out of envy it's because the few times I've encountered her she wasn't the nicest person I've ever met.

Seriously tho I know what you mean. It sure seems like Mayte gets the harsher treatment from the fans though.


I certainly envy these girls because of the opportunity they may get from time to time, to wander on down to the Vault and take a listen!!!

But I also feel sorry for them being under constant public scrutiny. Who can manage to be polite and civil at all times, I know I can't (lol) but luckily when I am rude or grouchy in public, nobody is taking my picture or reporting it on the internet.

Celebrities are the target of gossip now because we don't know our neighbours anymore like in the good old days before the global village. It used to be "Mavis Smith is such a town bike, have you seen how short her skirt is? You can almost see her ankles!!" now it's Mayte this, Mani that. What can you expect? Good gossip and the smug pleasure of engaging in it will never go away.

Celebrities learn to grow a thick skin, it's part of their job - fame has 2 sides, and they got to take the bad with the good. If nobody was talking about them they would be nobodies - remember that, people!



I feel sorry for them because they chose to be with a man who is 20 years older than them.
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Reply #49 posted 12/31/03 8:56am

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I thought Annie Christian was the whore?
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Reply #50 posted 12/31/03 10:01am

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IstenSzek said:

Is that sarcastic? I mean, why would you defend her and
yet call your thread "Mayte, The Whore".

lol

Anyway, I think Mayté was and is cool. She was so young
when she hooked up with Prince. I'm surprised she hung
on for as long as she did.

Apart from everything else, it must have been one hell
of a ride, hitching up with a man twice your age, who's
one of the biggest names in showbizz and a notorious
controlfreak. Add to that the loss of your first baby
and the tabloid shit, the loss of control over your
life the way it was etc etc.

She deserves more credit than she gets from people.

I think that's true. While I definitely don't think that Mayte is the brightest bulb (and I admit that this is also speculation) I have to say that the girl has been through a ton of stuff that I would never want to deal with. The fact that she's not some strung out psycho attests to what a strong person she is.

She was so young when she and Prince lost that baby and then she ended up getting divorced when most girls her age were getting married. That really sucks.
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