daned said:

I agree 100%.

illimack said:

I gave you Luke and 1 Cor. to drive home the point of the little flock. The actual number is mentioned in Rev. 14:1,3. Rev. 5:9,10 mentions what they do in this position. I'm gonna have to get outta here, because I'm at work and I'm heading home. Feel free to org note me regarding these scriptures if you like

OdysseyMiles said:

That is not whay you initially said. You said that the 144,000 are mentioned in "several" places. I only recall reading it in one place...Revelation, the most sybolic book of the Bible. To say that it is mentioned in "several" places, and then to back track and say you were talking about the "little flock"...that is mere interpretation to say that they are refferring to the same thing. Perhaps you should be more careful when you start to quote scripture like that. Some of us know a little about the Bible and are bored enough to start checking on stuff.

illimack said:

The number was in Rev. 14: verse 1 and 3. Sorry, if you took "several" to mean it was in 19 different places . Yes, many things are symbolic in Revelation. But a specific number is given here.If you read the context of the other scriptures, you'll see that they are speaking of the same group. O.k, now I really gotta go. Holler at ya later

Yes, especially when he's on tour with Prince.

When he opened for Prince back in 98, he wouldnt get off the f'ing stage. He acts like its the Larry Grahm tour, with special guest Prince.

OdysseyMiles said:

The TRUTH is that the number is in ONE place in the Bible. ONE, not several. To insinuate that it is in SEVERAL places, esp to someone who doesn't know about the Bible, is not the TRUTH. The other versus that you quoted say nothing about the 144,000. They are your religions intrepretation. Other religions who do not believe in only 144,000 going to heaven do not intepret those versus in that way. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I think that that was unfair.

lovebizzare said:

Why can't you just respect the man's decision. He has to make the choices that are right for his life. Not what you think he should do. Larry Graham is cool.

Finally, there's someone with enough sense on the org...

I don't get it with the LG bashing.

Here's the guy who nearly INVENTED Funk Bass.

I grew up listening to Sly and the Family Stone, and groovin' 2 Thankyouforlettinmebemyselfagain.

Any TRUE Funk Head should be as mystified by this as I.

Go figure...

G.
[This message was edited Tue Dec 23 15:12:00 PST 2003 by Giovanni777]

I don't hate even dislike Larry, but I was certainly annoyed by his taking over the show on the RAVE DVD. That's the extent to which he has affected me personally. I would be really annoyed if this happened to a live show I was attending.
The JW stuff? I couldn't give a hoot. If my "beloved" (ha, ha) needs to have a mentor, so be it.

I could'nt give a RAT'S ASS about Prince and
the GURU's religious beliefs...it's about the
FUNK.

Sometimes...a little muthafucken cursen is needed
to feel da FUNK... Feel me???

Larry's PREACHIN' is annoying, that's what I HATE!

Words of Wisdom 4 FREE: Larry, get off da mic. Let
Prince sang his ass off. U just play that mothafucken
BASS.

daned


12/23/03 8:12am
I don't mind people taking the mickey a bit, but when the hate stuff starts (and some of it is real, definitely) it gets a bit weird. If Prince became a JW it's because Prince wanted to become a JW. There's a lot of people out there who seem to think he's hypnotised Prince. Some of the people who hate Prince's recent output seem to shift the blame to Larry. Only Prince is responsible for Prince's actions.

Another thing that freaks me is how upset people get about him being a JW. He's always been a bible-thumper and whilst I am not a practioner of any religion, I can respect it. "The Cross" alwasy moved me because of Prince's sincerity and passion. Dito TRC. I don't believe in that religion but I can dig hearing Prince singing his heart out and speaking his mind.


I COULD NOT HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF...U SAVED ME LOADS OF THINKING TIME...

wyld1 said:

Why don't you go back and reread my post?

That's not my view/opinion on this subject.

Resuming all the imput from the orgers, L.G.'s preachin' is the main reason for hating. He's respected for his musicianship, and as a person the opinion is even, 50-50. Like I said at the start of the thread, I like him because he's a great musician, that's the main reason. And of course, I don't hate him as a person.

LittlePill said:

Good point, but I still can't stand Larry.

LittlePill said:

Ugh, ignorance like this is truly irritating.

No one gets brainwashed, it's not like that. You either feel like what you're reading is true, or you don't. It's that simple.

If you feel like what you've been told and what you've read sounds like the truth to you after thinking it over, then you're free to believe it, but that doesn't constitute brainwash any more than any other religion.

These are all myths about the JW religion, and it's quite ridiculous.




I'm not really a JW anymore, but I was for years, so I can help you out on this one a bit.

Basically, the belief is that 144,000 are chosen to have the desire to live in heaven rater than a perfect version of the earth.

So, when Armageddon comes and the earth is purged of all wicked hearted ppl, the good hearted ppl would remain on earth for a life of eternal happiness, and the 144,000 would instead be in heaven.

I'm not saying it's true, I'm merely saying that's the belief.

Actions speak louder than words..

96-98 Prince stood alone on his own two feet.
He stood tall, did interviews and hid behind nobody.
He was in control.

Today Prince hides
He is a coward hiding behind Larry with his nose
too deep in an old book to know what time it is.

What time is it?
Look at the hate in response to his actions and
the way he treats his listeners as of late.


There they go, both of them good friends hand in hand
walking into the sunset. At least he found a good friend.

more tiredness than hate

To most uninformed orgers, Larry represents the start, or the reason for Prince becoming a JW. The hate is not directed at Larry in as much as it is directed at JW"s as a whole. Why?

Ask the haters themselves and they would not be able to give you a logical reason, for they know not the source of their own hatred. The hatred does not originate from the haters, it originates from the father of the lie. Who would be willing to admit that they were being used as a pawn in Satan's game of chess? Not many. So the ruler of this world blinds them from seeing their own part in his global deception.
[This message was edited Thu Dec 25 15:07:50 PST 2003 by jw1914]

jw1914 said:

No logical reason! People just down right do not like Larry G. cause he is so uncool. Nice guy, great musician, terrible style!! Larry that white suit is so old and clean up that face! If you think all the hate is directed twoards Larry cause of what he believes! Tell me why people did not like Mayte when she was with Prince??? Would you not say that some of the hate that is shown is in direct response to some of the rubbish that came directly from the NPGMC camp?? That the anger is because of a crappy run music club? Beacuse Prince cancels shit often? I would go with he gives off many things for people to get fueled up about, like the "Happy ChristMESS" shit he wrote and sent to all of us!! He could take the time and send that out but they can't get it together enough to send us a link to an MP3?! What was it about when Prince's camp posted about "Lendy and Wisa" that shown lots of love. I rarely participate in the club this year but I hear that the moderators are real nice!! Yeah, I'd say the hate is from the promise after promise!

how can u hate a person you've never met?

PurpleKnight said:

Sorry but i do have to disagree with you there... the JW is a cult that was invented 200 years ago...it can't be compared with Catholicism, Islam, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhism etc...it is a cult...and Brain WASHING DOES EXIST...i have seen it, its a psychological thing...
I do agree that ppl should make up their own decisions about what faith they want to follow however some are talked into it to the extent that they become very fundamental...
I believe that if Larry didnt talk to Prince about it, Prince wouldnt be JW today, im sure he was preached too and of course MONEY IS ALWAYS INVOLVED...religion is a money making scheme and thats the worst thing...
So yes i feel sorry for Larry because he was obviously brain washed when he turned and now has preached to Prince.. and its a never ending circle...im sure Larry talked to Prince about it when he was sensitive and going through a very emotional time in his life...this is the reality of it...However religion aside he is a gerat musician and they can all brainwash who they want as long as they dont stop playing brilliant music...
and also if Prince/Larry were devout followers of the religion...we WOULD NOT BE SEEING THEM TOURING...because people that arnt JW are called WORLDLY...hence MONEY MAKING ***'S...but yeah love the work

he stole prince and converted him so he is a prick and usually people hate pricks

daydreamer said:

D) All of the above The MAN is funky and is innovative yes...I mean the slap-bass...simply awesome. The only problem I have with larry is his aweful voice, his cult religion, his method of pushing his beliefs on other ppl like its the ONLY belief everyone should have and of course, that damn sailor outfit he wears!! I really do hope Prince kicks him to the curb, because Larry is just a bad influence on him. Musically, I don't know if he added much to his career since he met Larry...but if he did...props to him for it. BUT, now it's time for Larry and Prince to split...funk that "baby-brotha" crap. DO YOUR OWN THING PRINCE!!

Marrk said:

He does get respect, too much I think. yeah, he invented the slap-bass and yeah he was part of one of the most influencial bands of all time...I think the Larry-kiss-assing is tiresome IMO He did those things, what over 20 years ago.. Should we all bow to Larry cause he did these things? No, then why give him this much credit for the rest of his life. Prince, George Clinton, James Brown, etc have done incredible things in their life and to this day I don't see shrines of each one of them anywhere.

To NOT believe Larry was partly responsible for Prince turning JW is simply ubsurd!! Larry obviously filled a gap in Prince's life that his own father didn't. Larry was there when Prince had troubles with Mayte, Larry had some "CONvincing" beliefs and pushed them on an emotionally weak person. Yeah, Prince makes up his own mind, but who lead him to where he is now religiously? You're not actually saying Prince would have conformed to this religion on his own now, right?? I mean, the guy had gone what 30 something years without conforming to ONE religion and low and behold Larry comes along and Prince becomes a JW. I don't know, sounds like Larry did have a part in Prince becoming JW.

PurpleKnight said:

It is a cult. It truly is. I mean, I really don't like Catholism much or most Christian religions, but JW is a cult. It's disrespectful to think that YOUR religion is the ONLy true one..to the point where you can't even ENTER a church of a different religion. Where ppl are brainwashed into thinking taking BLOOD transfusion is evil..i mean what if you're dying or someone you love is dying..would you just let the person go..even if there was a way to save them? I don't think so. How do you not know that whole invention was not God-given? No one does and thats my point. Religion is all about perspective. Different ppl believe different things...thats the way it will always be...as long as we all have the God-given right of "FREEDOM OF THOUGHT" that will never cease. I'm a spiritual person, I believe in God...more egnostic and I respect ppl's beliefs...but I don't respect religions that tell ppl that every OTHER religion is a LIE. That's horrible.

emm bout transfusions... when the child is in the mother there is blood transfusion between mother and child... so that mean they is evil?

rudedog said:

GREAT post Rudey

pure jw doctrine
'Tis the nightmare called ChristMESS that has the whole earth
Practicing pagan rituals in the name of Christ's birth
The stockings r hung, yet none seem 2 care
The Bible makes no such reference 2 this affair
The children r told of some nice guy in red
While the truth about Santa is Satan instead
And mama passes tradition 2 her kids' little laps
Enabling the origin of ChristMESS 2 remain under wraps
2 lazy 2 research what u've bLIEved since ur youth?
Then sit back and listen while eye tell u the truth...

Away from the lies that r simply rehashed
Eye opened the Bible and threw up, quite aghast
No mention that Jesus was born in December
So, who is it, each year, that the people remember?
O, what 2 my wandering eyes should eye find
But a celebration called Saturnalia - then, further backwards eye
climbed
He bgan a fake religion that competed with God
Eye knew at that moment it was Nimrod!

More rapid my heart beat the blood thru my veins
If Christ was never in ChristMESS, what then remains?
The wreaths, mistletoe, ChristMESS goose and the fixins
ChristMESS trees, gift-giving and holey day mixin
From the whole list there's none u should leave
All pagan in origin, they only dceive

B4 u knew the whole truth, it wasn't a lie
But, now that u know, it's on u 2 deny
Now on2 the icon, of course, u all knew
Bhind that long, flowing beard Santa hid something 2

All eye had was an inkling, so eye went in search of the proof
That Santa was not what eye'd learned in my youth
Eye drew in my breath when the truth hit my eye
Xposed were the roots of this so-called good guy

He's dressed all in red - take note of the hue
And that right there provides the first clue
With a bundle of toyz 2 teach children greed
Walk in2 any toy store and watch him succeed
Y yes, it is true, as the anagram will suggest
SANTA is SATAN, just festively dressed

His wry, little mouth is drawn up in a sneer
As children continue their worship year after year
Upon his mind, do u suppose that it gnaws
The telling morph of his name 2 spell SATAN'S CLAWS?
Yet, the characteristics of God he assumes as his own:
Omniscient, omnipresent - he's after God's throne

He is cunning and wicked, sure no jolly old elf
Now eye cringe when eye c him, no longer kidding myself
This nightmare called ChristMESS - how eye was misled -
In honor of Jesus, upholding Nimrod instead!
Churches ignore this truth tho it lurks
Eye guess appeasing the pagans wins over converts
ChristMESS lies warrant cleanup or else they r liable
2 put one at odds with what's taught in the Bible
Celebr8 how u like - the way u did in ur youth
Or recognize God as a Spirit 2 b worshipped in TRUTH

Eye heard it xclaimed while thru Jeremiah eye was breezin',

"Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen."

- an NPG Music Club Member

jn2 said:

That's not a doctrine it's a POEM and the "Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen" at the end? Our NWT is in Modern Day English which would have been used instead. When I read that POEM myself I was like..."Um, O.K. pretty funny stuff". So who wrote the christmas one about Batman and Robin? I wonder. Not JW's that's for sure.