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Reply #30 posted 12/24/03 2:12pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

that lichtenstein is pretty bad...wtf's up with that wrist? whofarted

shhh
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Reply #31 posted 12/24/03 2:19pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

that lichtenstein is pretty bad...wtf's up with that wrist? whofarted

shhh

confuse uhhh...
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Reply #32 posted 12/25/03 4:17pm

Abrazo

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Do the whiners keep supporting him? Damn straight.

you don't know that.
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Reply #33 posted 12/25/03 4:27pm

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Abrazo said:

Supernova said:

Do the whiners keep supporting him? Damn straight.

you don't know that.

Don't assume what I do or don't know.
They admit it all the time. Take it up with them.
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Reply #34 posted 12/25/03 7:05pm

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ever hear the term " he laughs all the way to the bank" ? in this case perhaps that term can be extended to " and snickers while attending sessions in kingdom hall" as far as business if he's down on any kind of sales he probably knows he can just tour for a few months and poof... his books are balanced... maybe I'm wrong but how else does paisley park get it's bills paid ? isn't he one of the only peeps that records there still?
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Reply #35 posted 12/26/03 3:11pm

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He makes all the money from the sales of his music. WB doesn't. Is that a smart business move on Prince's part.



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Reply #36 posted 12/26/03 6:23pm

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Constructing Paisley Park.. wiser than wise.

But overall, hell nawl!
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Reply #37 posted 12/27/03 1:48am

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locoarts said:

Well I think he has become one..since 1996! He learn the biz from past mistakes & now he is doing very well!!

I mean he gets MOST of..

* CD/DVD Sales..
* Concert Ticket Sales..
* MERCH!
* Record Albums pretty close to free!
* NPGMC $100 per (Gravy)

Since 1996 He has bought Houses in Hawaii,Canada & Spain

Not Including everything he had from 20 years of working with/for Warner Bros.

What a load of crap. Shows that you care a lot about money.

It's not about how much money he personally makes, it is about how succesfull his business ventures are. They are not succesfull, not the least.

- The bigger percentage of the CD/DVD sales don't mean a thing when his sales have dropped massively and there are no advances.

- The concert ticket sales is not hard to make money from considering he doubled his prices. Then again the venues he plays have dropped in size massively as well. That's not being a good businessman, that's desperately trying to make the same as you used to by letting your fans bleed..

- Merch? Please... that's not even worth mentioning. Only the hardcore fools buy his tacky merch. He probaly loses money on i, because it cost him too much to produce it.

- "Record albums"??? "close to free"??? What are you talking about?

- NPGMC 100$. Yeah we all know about the scam the NPGMC is. Just ask the Better Business Bureau. they can tell you all about what a GOOD businessman is and what isn't. Obviously Princes fall into the latter category.

Oh yeah right, so he bought three houses and has sold them again. "Great" considering it was probably partly financed by running the poorest business ventures I ever encountered. He still isn't happy.
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Reply #38 posted 12/27/03 10:31pm

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marcdeondotcom said:

Constructing Paisley Park.. wiser than wise.

But overall, hell nawl!






Is Paisley Park still in business?
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Reply #39 posted 12/27/03 11:16pm

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Me thinks he is just looking out for himself, and who would not?
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Reply #40 posted 12/28/03 4:55am

NME

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He likely has more money than most of us put together so he's doing something right. But what he has probably can be exploited a lot better. Maybe he feels too much business kills the music...who knows. Maybe he has nobody that he fully trusts to run his business affairs? I dunno...


sorry. his financial status has NOTHING to do with his business skills. He's sold MILLIONS of records. Even with the worst contract in the world (only getting a dollar per sale) you'd earn $50million... you have to look at his investments and potential earnings he missed / passed in contract negotiations.
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Reply #41 posted 12/28/03 5:08am

NME

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He makes all the money from the sales of his music. WB doesn't. Is that a smart business move on Prince's part.



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WTF!!!

WB owns all the back catalouge. Which includes albums that have sold between 1-17 million each. These albums STILL sell a few copies every week.

Every time Prince rolls his tour into town or does an incredibly embarrasing PR stunt, for every 2 records of his latest 'project' that is sold as a consequence i'd say 1 WB release also gets sold.

yeah, WB must be crying themeselves to sleep every night.
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Reply #42 posted 12/28/03 5:17am

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you have to look at his investments and potential earnings he missed / passed in contract negotiations.


really? so tell me about them, where did it all go wrong??
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Reply #43 posted 12/28/03 10:58am

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NME said:

Number32 said:

He makes all the money from the sales of his music. WB doesn't. Is that a smart business move on Prince's part.



whistling


WTF!!!

WB owns all the back catalouge. Which includes albums that have sold between 1-17 million each. These albums STILL sell a few copies every week.

Every time Prince rolls his tour into town or does an incredibly embarrasing PR stunt, for every 2 records of his latest 'project' that is sold as a consequence i'd say 1 WB release also gets sold.

yeah, WB must be crying themeselves to sleep every night.



I meant since he left WB's you nincumpoop. fishslap How many artists besides Prince have left the big record companies so they can make most if not all of the money, only a handful. It's only in recent years that more artists have picked up on this business method. As for the rest of the people complaining about how poor his business skills are just remember something, you folks are the ones who keep Prince in business . You still attend his concerts even if the tickets have gone up in price. You still buy his music/dvd's/and merchandise. You/we/us have been the ones who helped Prince buy his houses and then some. Who cares if he bought houses and sold them, good businessmen/women are always doing this in and out of real estate. No matter how many of you say he is a bad businessman he still is in business . That hundred dollar npgmc charge last year was reasonable for what we got soundchecks/priority seating/4 CD's and most of you payed that, even you complainers and BBB reporters. As soon as he opened the club again this year he charged 25$ but nobody mentions that here. Just tryin to make the brotha look bad. I ain't kissin the brothas ass one bit just stating the facts! Shit half of the org left this site and jumped on his like flies on shit. I guarrantee you at least 70% of them are the ones buying up the merchandise he has to offer and don't tell me it doesn't sell cuz I see people rockin the ice/clothing/etc at the fan gatherings and concerts religiously. I wouldn't doubt Prince gets a fat ass royalty check from WB's still, probably enough to be able to experiment in his business ventures wether they are good or bad and do as he pleases. He still ain't the rockstar that smokes up his profits/earnings in the crack pipe and they ain't been doin additional construction on the Park cuz the brothas broke. If y'all wanna really say he has failed as a businessman then stop buying his shit and then your all right. Until then he thanks you all for keepin him in business. thumbs up!
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Reply #44 posted 12/28/03 11:03am

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He's still a really bad business man though. Considering all the illogical, borderline insane career moves he made, he should've been broke by now. His actions in the 90's could've ruined his entire "Prince" legacy, but his genius always did and always will win out.

Any other musician would be finished, but we forgive Prince only because we know there's no musician who can compare.

I don't get why ppl think him leaving WB means he gets all that much money though.

Sure, he owns the publishing rights to his music now, but what does that matter if albums like NEWS only sell like 80,000 copies due to no marketing?
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Reply #45 posted 12/28/03 11:10am

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PurpleKnight said:

He's still a really bad business man though. Considering all the illogical, borderline insane career moves he made, he should've been broke by now. His actions in the 90's could've ruined his entire "Prince" legacy, but his genius always did and always will win out.

Any other musician would be finished, but we forgive Prince only because we know there's no musician who can compare.

I don't get why ppl think him leaving WB means he gets all that much money though.

Sure, he owns the publishing rights to his music now, but what does that matter if albums like NEWS only sell like 80,000 copies due to no marketing?




You said he should have gone broke. What went wrong. Why didn't he. You say we forgave him because no other musician can compare. That's what kept him in business? Us forgiving him? Okay, whatever you say. He was trying to prove a point in the 90's. He was tired of being pimped by the record company. He may not have won that war but in the long run he ain't gettin pimped any more. mr.green
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Reply #46 posted 12/28/03 12:42pm

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squirrelgrease said:

DOPEE said:

I'm not asking if he's a perfect businessman just if he is or has been a good business man.


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does the pope even shit lol
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Reply #47 posted 12/28/03 6:27pm

NME

familygroove said:

NME said:

you have to look at his investments and potential earnings he missed / passed in contract negotiations.


really? so tell me about them, where did it all go wrong??
confuse


mmm, let's see..

oh yes. what about taking all the money he could in the re-negotiations with WB 1992/3, and taking an 'ego' role as a Senior VP @ WB... when he could have said, keep yer money and your job, just lets work out a way of me owning my masters.

WB would have done ANYTING to keep Prince. That's why he got all he asked for... (he didn't seem too bothered with masters then..)

Building a recording studio that far exceeds his personal use in the middle of knowhere. That place looses money like a bitch.

there's plenty more...

i'm not flaming him personally, just his buisness history.
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Reply #48 posted 12/28/03 8:49pm

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jepman said:

squirrelgrease said:

DOPEE said:

I'm not asking if he's a perfect businessman just if he is or has been a good business man.


Does the Pope shit in the woods?




does the pope even shit lol


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Reply #49 posted 12/28/03 8:58pm

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Prince got PP out of WB..sure he sold the shit outta PR but still...may artisst sell 5-10 mil of an album and they dont get a fucking 5-10 acres recording complex-XANADU...Prionce pimped the fuck pout of WB lol. Getting that out of ANY record company?,...Dats goot bidness if u ask me lol.
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Reply #50 posted 12/28/03 9:37pm

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You said he should have gone broke. What went wrong. Why didn't he. You say we forgave him because no other musician can compare. That's what kept him in business? Us forgiving him? Okay, whatever you say. He was trying to prove a point in the 90's. He was tired of being pimped by the record company. He may not have won that war but in the long run he ain't gettin pimped any more


What I'm saying is that purely as a business man, Prince is simply not smart.

As an amazing artist with unbelieveable artistic integrity though, he's fantastic.

You missed the point of my post somewhat. I didn't say us forgiving him kept him in business, but more that his amazing music forced us to forgive him in the sense that we looked past some of his nonsensical decisions cause the music was still too good to pass up.

When I said that he should've gone broke, what I really meant was that he's lucky he was as amazingly talented as he was when he made some of these bizarre career moves, because otherwise he wouldn't have such a religiously loyal following who never forgot about him and are so willing to dish out money for whatever he releases.
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Reply #51 posted 12/29/03 9:20am

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I think Prince is a decent businessman; seeing as how he has many of you on his LIST (NPGMC), and continues to make a decent living off his FANS/FAMS...whatever the so-called "proper" term is. As for comparing him to other businessmen, HELL NO. He approaches business from an artist's perspective; which is stupid. They don't mix. That silly "Slave" move, etc. are only seen as childish antics by real businessmen. Prince knows how to make money for himself. That's probably about all of the business sense he really needs. I wouldn't hire his ass to fix a budget, though. He'd probably fuck it up, then try to change the company's name to fix it. lol
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Reply #52 posted 12/29/03 2:56pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

[color=blue:3386d64156:8a78075e62]I think Prince is a decent businessman; seeing as how he has many of you on his LIST (NPGMC), and continues to make a decent living off his FANS/FAMS...whatever the so-called "proper" term is. As for comparing him to other businessmen, HELL NO. He approaches business from an artist's perspective; which is stupid. They don't mix. That silly "Slave" move, etc. are only seen as childish antics by real businessmen. Prince knows how to make money for himself. That's probably about all of the business sense he really needs. I wouldn't hire his ass to fix a budget, though. He'd probably fuck it up, then try to change the company's name to fix it. lol





lol


I was wondering if you were gonna comment on this thread. I think I remember hearing he was going broke after the lovesexy album/tour... one of the smartest money making business decisions he made was taking the opportunity of recording the soundtrack for batman cuz I'll bet it paid him phat!
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