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Thread started 12/16/03 12:45am

IstenSzek

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"She's Crying, -it's backwards"

Just got myself the Purple Rain dvd yesterday and watched
it last night.

I noticed that the scene where the "backwards" tape of the
girl crying is played, and Prince and Apples are about to
start kissing, it sounds very much like there's talking on
that tape as well.

It's just backward speech from that point on and I was
wondering if anyone knows what's being said on it?

I know about the messages in the album but I've never
heard about one in the film.


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Reply #1 posted 12/16/03 8:19am

scififilmnerd

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I have no idea. shrug

But my guess would be that it IS actually what Apollonia thought it was - backwards moaning from some porn tape or something. It sounds a bit like the moaning in Marilyn Manson's F*** Frankie segue on Smells Like Children. biggrin
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Reply #2 posted 12/16/03 8:22am

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I know about the messages in the album but I've never
heard about one in the film.

Really, messages in the album? I never heard that before either - on what song?
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Reply #3 posted 12/16/03 9:21am

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SweetKreme said:

Really, messages in the album? I never heard that before either - on what song?
Backward messages - after 'Darling Nikki' and at the beginning and end of 'Baby I'm A Star'

See here:

http://www.prince.org/msg/7/72979
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Reply #4 posted 12/16/03 9:49am

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I've recorded this, reversed it and it's pretty interesting. You hear Jill Jones in the background... there's an arguments and you distinctly hear her say, "No, I don't want to do it anymore..." Then you hear a door close and then she begins to cry.

It's strange, yet remember, that in the movie Jill gives Appolonia the ugly look when Appolonia fills out that card in First Ave.

Also, there are hints that the Kid and Jill were once an item. A reading of the original script (way better than the scaled down version of the script the final edit was made from) also hints at this relationship.

There's much more to the movie than the edit. Consider the original script vs. the final script equivalent to comparing the original Computer Blue to the final movie edit. It does not compare and lacks a lot of substance.

Prince is an asshole in this movie, and we get little glimpse of that. Find the original script on the web, read it, and you'll see what I mean. He's just like his father.

Anyhow, yeah, it is Jill Jones crying backwards, probably after the kid hurt her physically and emotionally.
Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
I can be in a park, or flying in the…in the deep sea
I wish u’d hold my hand; then everything could b
There’s nothing strange, we’re not deranged
We only want everyday 2 b a Cosmic Day
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Reply #5 posted 12/16/03 10:18am

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Does anyone have a copy of this script? I'd like to read it.
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Reply #6 posted 12/16/03 10:56am

Lenae

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the3rddoctor said:

Does anyone have a copy of this script? I'd like to read it.


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Reply #7 posted 12/16/03 11:08am

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Taken from the original screenplay...


PRINCE - Please don't drink that. Give
it to me.


She holds the flask to her lips
defiantly, then goes to drink.



He lashes out suddenly, SMASHES it from
her grip. She SCREAMS wildly, SLAPS him
hard across the face. He stands shocked
a moment, his rage surging within him,
smashing through every safety valve he's
acquired in his life. He BACKHANDS her
savagely across the jaw.

She hits the ground like a rag doll. He
looks at her curiously, bends over her -
- she sucker-punches him with everything
she's got! He SCREAMS in rage and grabs
her hands as they flail about his face.
He squeezes her fingers back while the
tears stream down her cheeks and her
mouth forms a silent "ow"! She bares
her teeth angrily and he sucks at her
mouth, biting and kissing her in a fever
pitch.

She kicks at him violently, hot tears
streaming down her cheeks. He jams his
leg between hers, rubs it firmly against
her bottom. She struggles helplessly
against him as he covers her breasts,
her stomach, her thighs with his lips.
Quick breaths escape from her -- her
breathing begins to race...

He snaps her panties in two, pulls them
from between her legs. She spreads
herself as he releases his pants. She
squeezes his buttocks, pulls him toward
her -- but Prince resists her coldly,
regards her with contempt. Suddenly he
flips her onto her stomach, forces her
to stand painfully on her knees. He
rubs his hand between her buttocks, then
thrusts into her painfully, driving
himself to the very depths of her...

...but she stifles a cry, arches her
back, and meets his thrusts fiercely,
moving quicker and quicker, banging her
buttocks against his thighs again and
again. She's drawing from him now,
turning the humiliation around,
obtaining all that she needs and
desires. He's powerless -- her thrusts
set the pace. She rises, Prince still
inside her and tugs on him rapidly,
causing him to ejaculate suddenly,
drawing from him a sharp and sudden
cry...

She moves away, draws her coat tightly
about her, fixes him with a contemptuous
look--

eek
'Purple Rain' was a whole different kinda movie in the original script. lol
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Reply #8 posted 12/16/03 11:30am

1nonly

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Definitely would have taken "8 Mile" to the extreme. the original version of the script was quite different and much, much darker. Although, it did give some insight to the character more. Like I said before, the Kid is actually an asshole, a womanizer at his worst, and a woman beater. He's all roses in the final cut of the movie. BTW, check the trailer onthe DVD, it has extra scenes cut out of the movie just prior to its thatrical release.
Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
I can be in a park, or flying in the…in the deep sea
I wish u’d hold my hand; then everything could b
There’s nothing strange, we’re not deranged
We only want everyday 2 b a Cosmic Day
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Reply #9 posted 12/16/03 11:33am

SweetKreme

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langebleu said:

SweetKreme said:

Really, messages in the album? I never heard that before either - on what song?
Backward messages - after 'Darling Nikki' and at the beginning and end of 'Baby I'm A Star'

See here:

http://www.prince.org/msg/7/72979


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Reply #10 posted 12/16/03 6:20pm

scififilmnerd

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1nonly said:

I've recorded this, reversed it and it's pretty interesting. You hear Jill Jones in the background... there's an arguments and you distinctly hear her say, "No, I don't want to do it anymore..." Then you hear a door close and then she begins to cry.


shocked

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Reply #11 posted 12/17/03 3:59am

hisroyalbadnes
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r1ghteousone said:

Taken from the original screenplay...


PRINCE - Please don't drink that. Give
it to me.


She holds the flask to her lips
defiantly, then goes to drink.



He lashes out suddenly, SMASHES it from
her grip. She SCREAMS wildly, SLAPS him
hard across the face. He stands shocked
a moment, his rage surging within him,
smashing through every safety valve he's
acquired in his life. He BACKHANDS her
savagely across the jaw.

She hits the ground like a rag doll. He
looks at her curiously, bends over her -
- she sucker-punches him with everything
she's got! He SCREAMS in rage and grabs
her hands as they flail about his face.
He squeezes her fingers back while the
tears stream down her cheeks and her
mouth forms a silent "ow"! She bares
her teeth angrily and he sucks at her
mouth, biting and kissing her in a fever
pitch.

She kicks at him violently, hot tears
streaming down her cheeks. He jams his
leg between hers, rubs it firmly against
her bottom. She struggles helplessly
against him as he covers her breasts,
her stomach, her thighs with his lips.
Quick breaths escape from her -- her
breathing begins to race...

He snaps her panties in two, pulls them
from between her legs. She spreads
herself as he releases his pants. She
squeezes his buttocks, pulls him toward
her -- but Prince resists her coldly,
regards her with contempt. Suddenly he
flips her onto her stomach, forces her
to stand painfully on her knees. He
rubs his hand between her buttocks, then
thrusts into her painfully, driving
himself to the very depths of her...

...but she stifles a cry, arches her
back, and meets his thrusts fiercely,
moving quicker and quicker, banging her
buttocks against his thighs again and
again. She's drawing from him now,
turning the humiliation around,
obtaining all that she needs and
desires. He's powerless -- her thrusts
set the pace. She rises, Prince still
inside her and tugs on him rapidly,
causing him to ejaculate suddenly,
drawing from him a sharp and sudden
cry...

She moves away, draws her coat tightly
about her, fixes him with a contemptuous
look--

eek
'Purple Rain' was a whole different kinda movie in the original script. lol



holy f***

is that rape or sex?

holy crap that is 1 screwed up movie.
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Reply #12 posted 12/17/03 4:00am

hisroyalbadnes
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1nonly said:

Definitely would have taken "8 Mile" to the extreme. the original version of the script was quite different and much, much darker. Although, it did give some insight to the character more. Like I said before, the Kid is actually an asshole, a womanizer at his worst, and a woman beater. He's all roses in the final cut of the movie. BTW, check the trailer onthe DVD, it has extra scenes cut out of the movie just prior to its thatrical release.



i noticed that


why tho?
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Reply #13 posted 12/17/03 5:50am

FanofDaFascist

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r1ghteousone said:

Taken from the original screenplay...


PRINCE - Please don't drink that. Give
it to me.


She holds the flask to her lips
defiantly, then goes to drink.



He lashes out suddenly, SMASHES it from
her grip. She SCREAMS wildly, SLAPS him
hard across the face. He stands shocked
a moment, his rage surging within him,
smashing through every safety valve he's
acquired in his life. He BACKHANDS her
savagely across the jaw.

She hits the ground like a rag doll. He
looks at her curiously, bends over her -
- she sucker-punches him with everything
she's got! He SCREAMS in rage and grabs
her hands as they flail about his face.
He squeezes her fingers back while the
tears stream down her cheeks and her
mouth forms a silent "ow"! She bares
her teeth angrily and he sucks at her
mouth, biting and kissing her in a fever
pitch.

She kicks at him violently, hot tears
streaming down her cheeks. He jams his
leg between hers, rubs it firmly against
her bottom. She struggles helplessly
against him as he covers her breasts,
her stomach, her thighs with his lips.
Quick breaths escape from her -- her
breathing begins to race...

He snaps her panties in two, pulls them
from between her legs. She spreads
herself as he releases his pants. She
squeezes his buttocks, pulls him toward
her -- but Prince resists her coldly,
regards her with contempt. Suddenly he
flips her onto her stomach, forces her
to stand painfully on her knees. He
rubs his hand between her buttocks, then
thrusts into her painfully, driving
himself to the very depths of her...

...but she stifles a cry, arches her
back, and meets his thrusts fiercely,
moving quicker and quicker, banging her
buttocks against his thighs again and
again. She's drawing from him now,
turning the humiliation around,
obtaining all that she needs and
desires. He's powerless -- her thrusts
set the pace. She rises, Prince still
inside her and tugs on him rapidly,
causing him to ejaculate suddenly,
drawing from him a sharp and sudden
cry...

She moves away, draws her coat tightly
about her, fixes him with a contemptuous
look--

eek
'Purple Rain' was a whole different kinda movie in the original script. lol

Although I've heard that this scene was actually filmed with Apollonia; Vanity could have really pulled it off so that we'd understand what the writer was trying to impose.
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Reply #14 posted 12/17/03 5:56am

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1nonly said:


Prince is an asshole in this movie, and we get little glimpse of that.

I think you've watched the movie too much. I only recently saw it for the first time in a decade, and was surprised at how much of a violent prick The Kid was.
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Reply #15 posted 12/17/03 9:38am

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sabaisabai said:

1nonly said:


Prince is an asshole in this movie, and we get little glimpse of that.

I think you've watched the movie too much. I only recently saw it for the first time in a decade, and was surprised at how much of a violent prick The Kid was.


I always thought that was the point of the film. The Kid hates the way his parents act, yet he emulates them in his own relationships. The Kid realises at the end that he is becoming his father, with his abuse of his girlfriend and bandmates, and "repents" so to speak.
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Reply #16 posted 12/17/03 9:44am

IstenSzek

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1nonly said:

I've recorded this, reversed it and it's pretty interesting. You hear Jill Jones in the background... there's an arguments and you distinctly hear her say, "No, I don't want to do it anymore..." Then you hear a door close and then she begins to cry.

It's strange, yet remember, that in the movie Jill gives Appolonia the ugly look when Appolonia fills out that card in First Ave.

Also, there are hints that the Kid and Jill were once an item. A reading of the original script (way better than the scaled down version of the script the final edit was made from) also hints at this relationship.

There's much more to the movie than the edit. Consider the original script vs. the final script equivalent to comparing the original Computer Blue to the final movie edit. It does not compare and lacks a lot of substance.

Prince is an asshole in this movie, and we get little glimpse of that. Find the original script on the web, read it, and you'll see what I mean. He's just like his father.

Anyhow, yeah, it is Jill Jones crying backwards, probably after the kid hurt her physically and emotionally.



Wow. Thank you very much. That's pretty stunning. It would
have taken me forever to get that segment recorded, and then
be able to listen to it played backwards. So yeah, thanks!!

Notice how 90% of the people here seem to simply deny the
fact that you've posted an answer.

They rave and bitch about this movie all the time and now
that there's some "new" info, no one seems to give a fuck.

I find that rather strange, don't you?? confuse
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Reply #17 posted 12/17/03 9:48am

scififilmnerd

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IstenSzek said:

Notice how 90% of the people here seem to simply deny the
fact that you've posted an answer.

They rave and bitch about this movie all the time and now
that there's some "new" info, no one seems to give a fuck.

I find that rather strange, don't you?? confuse


Naah, they just went off on a tangent, IstenSzek. biggrin
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Reply #18 posted 12/17/03 9:51am

IstenSzek

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scififilmnerd said:

IstenSzek said:

Notice how 90% of the people here seem to simply deny the
fact that you've posted an answer.

They rave and bitch about this movie all the time and now
that there's some "new" info, no one seems to give a fuck.

I find that rather strange, don't you?? confuse


Naah, they just went off on a tangent, IstenSzek. biggrin



They're a damned bunch of thread-jackers

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Reply #19 posted 12/17/03 10:36am

Lenae

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IstenSzek said:

scififilmnerd said:

IstenSzek said:

Notice how 90% of the people here seem to simply deny the
fact that you've posted an answer.

They rave and bitch about this movie all the time and now
that there's some "new" info, no one seems to give a fuck.

I find that rather strange, don't you?? confuse


Naah, they just went off on a tangent, IstenSzek. biggrin



They're a damned bunch of thread-jackers

evil


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anywho - i desire to hear this clip frontwards now . . .

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Reply #20 posted 12/17/03 12:30pm

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If you play "GIRL" backwards, it says "give your women to the Gill-Man"!!
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Reply #21 posted 12/17/03 11:02pm

1nonly

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IstenSzek said:

1nonly said:

I've recorded this, reversed it and it's pretty interesting. You hear Jill Jones in the background... there's an arguments and you distinctly hear her say, "No, I don't want to do it anymore..." Then you hear a door close and then she begins to cry.

It's strange, yet remember, that in the movie Jill gives Appolonia the ugly look when Appolonia fills out that card in First Ave.

Also, there are hints that the Kid and Jill were once an item. A reading of the original script (way better than the scaled down version of the script the final edit was made from) also hints at this relationship.

There's much more to the movie than the edit. Consider the original script vs. the final script equivalent to comparing the original Computer Blue to the final movie edit. It does not compare and lacks a lot of substance.

Prince is an asshole in this movie, and we get little glimpse of that. Find the original script on the web, read it, and you'll see what I mean. He's just like his father.

Anyhow, yeah, it is Jill Jones crying backwards, probably after the kid hurt her physically and emotionally.



Wow. Thank you very much. That's pretty stunning. It would
have taken me forever to get that segment recorded, and then
be able to listen to it played backwards. So yeah, thanks!!

Notice how 90% of the people here seem to simply deny the
fact that you've posted an answer.

They rave and bitch about this movie all the time and now
that there's some "new" info, no one seems to give a fuck.

I find that rather strange, don't you?? confuse


I agree... pretty strange those tangents. Even stranger is that I've commented on this in the past and only received maybe one or two replies. Strange, considering that most "cryptic" prince posts tend to linger on and on and on and on...
Post anything about his feet and you'll see what I mean
Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
I can be in a park, or flying in the…in the deep sea
I wish u’d hold my hand; then everything could b
There’s nothing strange, we’re not deranged
We only want everyday 2 b a Cosmic Day
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Reply #22 posted 12/18/03 12:10am

MrSquiggle

Play "If I Was Your Girlfriend" backwards and you'll hear a really ripping recipe for lentil soup.
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Reply #23 posted 12/18/03 2:25am

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MrSquiggle said:

Play "If I Was Your Girlfriend" backwards and you'll hear a really ripping recipe for lentil soup.


Really? Yum.
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Reply #24 posted 12/18/03 8:40am

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Actually, I think tangents can be fun. biggrin

So who wants to be my new boyfriend? smile

Anyone?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Anyone?

IstenSzek?

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Reply #25 posted 12/18/03 9:43pm

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Great topic...did anyone notice that in the "Let's Go Crazy" video, theres a seen where Prince is fighting with what looks like Morris Day's band where they rehearse, but in the movie the whole seen was deleted. I was hoping that someday a dvd version of PR would show those deleted scenes. Don't know if this was covered already if so I apologize.
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Reply #26 posted 12/18/03 10:37pm

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seduction747 said:

Great topic...did anyone notice that in the "Let's Go Crazy" video, theres a seen where Prince is fighting with what looks like Morris Day's band where they rehearse, but in the movie the whole seen was deleted. I was hoping that someday a dvd version of PR would show those deleted scenes. Don't know if this was covered already if so I apologize.

Ya...he was tusslin with JellyBean
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Reply #27 posted 12/18/03 11:31pm

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I always thought that was the point of the film. The Kid hates the way his parents act, yet he emulates them in his own relationships. The Kid realises at the end that he is becoming his father, with his abuse of his girlfriend and bandmates, and "repents" so to speak.


that's the whole point of the movie isn't it? i could never figure that out. i thought it was a biography.or is it?
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Reply #28 posted 12/18/03 11:45pm

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i thought it was a biography.or is it?

It wasn't written to be biographical, but ironically enough, looking back some points of his life back then do seems to mirror some in the movie.
go figure
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