This'll probably get locked, but what the hell.

How come we can't have civilized converstaions when it comes to Wendy and Lisa?
I mean everyone has diffrent opinions and people often disagree, but damn, when it comes to these two y'all(well most) act like little 14-year-olds.

lovebizzare said:

love b dont act so above it all..you have too at times

rdhull said:

I'm just asking, I know I have, I' never said I was above it all, I'm just asking why it's a constant thing, everytime their names are mentioned it's not pretty

And I'm not talking directly to you, this also applies to the "Wendy and Lisa are god fans"

lovebizzare said:

yes, I realize that

btw I love lisa and wendy--I even went toone of their shows--I know wendy was too big for her brotches but that dont mean she aint endearing to me

its the othe r brigade who ttrip th e fuck out about it..

rdhull said:

I know...I'm just wondering why

lovebizzare said:

cause the other brigade dont like me none..so when I say or make a crack about w&l, all hell breaks loose. They can crack all day on whatever but If I say anything about precious w&L then its the most awful thing ever...then they talk abut my character etc as if they know me etc...you know that..
[This message was edited Thu Dec 11 22:44:24 PST 2003 by rdhull]

Because if it's not an obvious compliment certain people turn into fanboys, and automatically become defensive.

rd..have u got one of those shitty computer pads u got free from sky tv ??co z tha th e wa y yuo sometmes wtit...;e is offpuingtt...
thats all!

Hey loveb..."can we just have one noight where nobody gets shot?"-Boyz IN Da Hood

jonylawson said:

lol its a standard keyboard--it isnt that, its my lack of proofreading and sometimes I have stuff on my keys..but its usually a lack of attention span enuff to go back and fix shit..sorry for that. Imma try better in the future starting now.

rdhull said:

i thought u was all the time !!!

jonylawson said:

lol I don't blame you for thinking that.

But to say someting about the topic...did yall see how the fanboy and fan-bi of wendy and lisa came at folks and me like they did? saying those things trying to hurt my feelings...they both struck personal... over them two broads they are going to disrespect me and others like they did..see what I mean? I think they give gay folks a bad name.

rdhull said:

wha?
you know what the funny thing is..I sorta agree with both sides, it's strange lol.

rdhull said:

thank goodness !!!

Becoz some folks act that Prince wouldn't excist if it weren't 4 Lisa & wendy when they know damn well if the louzy NPG were backing him up in his heydays(1984) they would've said the same bullshit about NPG too.

I neva cared 4 any of them(except for Dr.Fink & Lisa Coleman who's the BEST thang in that band after Prince IMHO) I neva cared for Wendy(musicaly or image-wise) I personaly think that Micko & Diz would smoke her ass in their sleep. Plus, her arrogant attitude neva settled with me.

Everybody ramble about them being the BEST bandmates ever when its mainly becoz of the fact that they were around when Prince was at his peak,,its only timing. All of them mofos wouldn't even bother to think about them if they weren't around Prince in 84 or Purple Rain.

Harlepolis said:

It's also because they were white too as to why they get hailed by so many...yeah I said it.

rdhull said:

tell us something new.
[This message was edited Fri Dec 12 13:13:34 PST 2003 by Abrazo]

Wendy & Lisa didn't make Prince a better musician.

Wendy & Lisa's input made Prince a better pop-star.

Deal with it.

BinaryJustin said:

No--their input made white people more accepting of him...

He was already a pop star--a damn good one before wendy came on as the duo.

deal with it

rdhull said:

01) He was a famous musician before the Purple Rain album / movie. To be a pop-star, you have to be a household name. He wasn't already a pop-star before the time Wendy "came on";

02) Ask average "white people" on the street whom Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman are, they will stare at you blankly. Ask who Prince is and they will know. The average casual listener (of any race) has probably never registered the colour of his varying bands' line-up;

03) The growing prominence of Wendy & Lisa's musical influence coincided with his most-popular and best-loved period (from 1999 to Sign O' The Times). Whether that music is his "best" is debatable, but it is obviously his most popular;

04) Gayle Chapman, Dr. Fink and Bobby Z are white. Did their influence on (or input with) Prince make him an household name to persons of the caucasian persuasion? No.

I'm amazed that you see the argument as a black/white issue...

Harlepolis said:

Well, actually there's quite a bit of documented subject matter that suggests that they (specifically Lisa) had a significant musical influence on Prince. More so, than you will probably find about any other band member Prince has been associated with.

The NPG are "yes men", aart, of course, from Rhondda, who is a "yes women". Wendy and Lisa were not. Lisa introduced Prince to a shit load of music he would never have heard but for her. Wendy gave him an avenue of creativity Dez would never have AND introduced him to his one and only muse... "If I Was Your Girlfriend".

Wendy and Lisa NEVER failed failed to make Prince's music sound more insteresting...that also include their siblings too (ATWIAD). No one else, apart from (IMHO) Dr Fink and Mr Leeds, can lay claim to enhancing Prince's music...all the others are session musicians, plain and simple.

I like Wendy & Lisa and dont deny that they contributed to Prince's sound as part of his group.However,I think many of their supporters on this site are unrealistic when discussing what it is that they actually contributed, and often ignore some of the other later musicians who contributed in the same manner.It could even be argued that Tony M had as much input as they did.

"It could even be argued that Tony M had as much input as they did."

How?

BoySimon said:

This is a perfect example.HOW ARE THEY YES MEN?They are employed to do a job and they do it well.Im guessing Prince enjoys their work or else they wouldnt be here.

BoySimon said:

Like him or not,Tony M contributed to alot of songs,and was employed for about the same amount of time.

BoySimon said:

Prove it.Hes got two ears, dont he?

When you say he contibuted to "a lot of songs", name them. AND, employed for the same amount of time. Lineally, maybe, but of the days he ws on Prince's pay roll I wonder how many days he spent at The Park. Wendy and LIsa...without falling into the "they are Gods" category...were his pulse for the most creative period of his career. Tony M gave us "Brother With A Purpose", what more should I say?

"Prove it.Hes got two ears, dont he?"

Yes, but that does not mean his two ears here all. It is a given that Lisa introduced Prince to much music, especially all that crappy stuff with strings and orchestration and shit.