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Reply #30 posted 12/17/03 9:09am

dealodelandron

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do you actually know that promoters are approaching him in africa and he is turning it down?

its more than just him saying he wants to play africa. assuming he would perform in africa, it deals with demand (how much is there?), promoters and venue owners, record sales and money. have his records historically sold well in certain african states? i'm just asking.
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Reply #31 posted 12/17/03 9:13am

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Lammastide said:

Blueview said:

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Blueview said:



He could play the whole northern part of africa and make money without getting ill or anything !! Best thing to do in a case like that is to make it a mideteranian tour. Starting in Spain ending in Marocco. I wonder how moslims would react to TRC lol That might be a problem


Exactly! That's what I was saying about Saharan Africa. It'd be more affordable, but politically it'd never happen. Through the 80s and 90s, they'd have had a problem with the sexual content. Now they'd have a problem with the heavy Christian dogma.


It would be interesting though !! He's one of the few artist capable of making a tour like that turn out well !
He can easily adjust his songs to moslim standarts, in fact he might even find it a chalenge. It would gennerate a lot of publicity for sure. Imagine first him playing Israel then next he's playing Syria with different sets for each country !


It'd certainly be interesting if he could manage to appease a Muslim crowd. (I wonder if he'd even want to now.)

hmmm ...And since you mentioned it, I wonder if he's ever played Israel?!


He hasn't, But I'd love to hear Habibi roaring an anastasia solo through Jerusalem !!
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Reply #32 posted 12/17/03 9:13am

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also, would the govt. of that particular country grant him a work visa as an entertainer? if those processes are even more complicated than he cares to deal with, that might be a turnoff.

as far as the religions go, i don't think too many artists are going to perform if they have to start re-working material to accomodate the crowd. depends on how much they would need to revamp.
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Reply #33 posted 12/17/03 9:16am

MD7

dealodelandron said:

do you actually know that promoters are approaching him in africa and he is turning it down?

its more than just him saying he wants to play africa. assuming he would perform in africa, it deals with demand (how much is there?), promoters and venue owners, record sales and money. have his records historically sold well in certain african states? i'm just asking.


Prince decides when and where he'll tour (usually in accordance with a new album), then the promoters come in.

I assume his records' main market is South Africa, the most westernised (read white) nation in the continent. Hence western acts African touring (if any) usually consists of only a hit & run in Cape Town.
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Reply #34 posted 12/17/03 9:17am

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Blueview said:

...I'd love to hear Habibi roaring an anastasia solo through Jerusalem !!

Ohhh, that would be so beautiful!
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #35 posted 12/17/03 9:18am

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MD7 said:

Lammastide said:

Blueview said:



He could play the whole northern part of africa and make money without getting ill or anything !! Best thing to do in a case like that is to make it a mideteranian tour. Starting in Spain ending in Marocco. I wonder how moslims would react to TRC lol That might be a problem


Exactly! That's what I was saying about Saharan Africa. It'd be more affordable, but politically it'd never happen. Through the 80s and 90s, they'd have had a problem with the sexual content. Now they'd have a problem with the heavy Christian dogma.


There's a heavy christian presence in every region though, hell I bet he could even tour JW Kingdom Halls. In answer to your above question yes he's played plenty of benefit/free shows in his time.

A JW show in Algeria, for example? I don't think so! I can see the stones and bullets flying now lol Maybe in sub-Saharan Africa this would go over better.

Yeah, he's played benefit shows, but they've all been domestic and never too large.


I said every region he could find a christian stronghold/kingdom hall, not every country. I'm pretty sure he's done foreign benefit shows but the specifics are a little hazy. They are few and far between though yeah.
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Reply #36 posted 12/17/03 9:56am

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Has he ever played in Russia or India, I wonder ?
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Reply #37 posted 12/17/03 10:07am

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as far as demand though...that is what i'm saying...he would only go there if there was demand. that is based on his knowledge of how well his music has done there throughout his career. i'm not saying it hasn't done well, i don't know.
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Reply #38 posted 12/17/03 10:09am

Abrazo

MD7 said:

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

How many of these countries have venues and how many Africans can afford a concert? How about security issues? Many states are unstable...


Come on now, every capital city in every country in Africa would have a venue suitable for concerts while not every area there is a warzone. Prince is a millionaire if he wants to put on concerts for Africans he can do, $s shouldn't be an issue...

hmm $$ not an issue? Maybe you need to reconsider that...


$$ is as big an issue as a millionaire wants it to be, if Prince wants to play concerts in Africa he can.

Of course he can, but does he want to?


No, so why does he not want[i] to play the one and only continent he's thus far ignored, particularly as an African-American male?

I'm wondering that as well and the only possible answer I can come up with is $$.


We just agreed though that $$ is no object for a millionaire, he could charge a price that suits the natives or even do a free concert.

smile I know, we just agreed that $$ is, or should not be an object for a millionair, but...
Lammastide's post shows it could really be quite some expensive adventure. Maybe Prince does not wánt to spend the money needed for it...
because he could come back broke.
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Reply #39 posted 12/17/03 10:16am

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IstenSzek said:

Has he ever played in Russia or India, I wonder ?


The guy who wrote the Ronald Reagan worship tracks "Ronnie Talk To Russia", "America" etc has never played in Russia of course, nor India. He has played in their continent of Asia though.
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Reply #40 posted 12/17/03 10:19am

Abrazo

dealodelandron said:

as far as demand though...that is what i'm saying...he would only go there if there was demand. that is based on his knowledge of how well his music has done there throughout his career. i'm not saying it hasn't done well, i don't know.

Lack of demand is a valid reason not to do it. There are all sorts of uncertainties. I think it would be difficult to do, but it would be great if he tried.

Maybe he should also go there and travel for some time, meet the people, the artists, who don't know him as a rockstar and make fantastic music with them, come back re-inspired, and release a kick ass new album...
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Reply #41 posted 12/17/03 10:23am

Abrazo

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IstenSzek said:

Has he ever played in Russia or India, I wonder ?


The guy who wrote the Ronald Reagan worship tracks "Ronnie Talk To Russia", "America" etc has never played in Russia of course, nor India. He has played in their continent of Asia though.

In Japan... Hong Kong... westernized...

South korea?
China?
Singapore?
Indonesia
Philipines

Anyone know that?

Australia yes, twice now. Its like it's because he is only known in the occidental and therefore there is the only demand.
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Reply #42 posted 12/17/03 11:35am

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Abrazo said:

dealodelandron said:

as far as demand though...that is what i'm saying...he would only go there if there was demand. that is based on his knowledge of how well his music has done there throughout his career. i'm not saying it hasn't done well, i don't know.

Lack of demand is a valid reason not to do it. There are all sorts of uncertainties. I think it would be difficult to do, but it would be great if he tried.

Maybe he should also go there and travel for some time, meet the people, the artists, who don't know him as a rockstar and make fantastic music with them, come back re-inspired, and release a kick ass new album...


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Reply #43 posted 12/17/03 11:57am

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In recent years i didn't visit Africa much but I can tell you that africans, overthere as well as in Europe, would not respect a man walking around in high heels. The religious bit can surely be an issue. In those countries religion is still a very dominating factor in everyday life.

anyways; these guys thrive on machismo and will tell you there are no gay africans, but instead will clame that it's a westerners disease. The hot song-content would not be so much of a problem except for northern africa and maybe Sudan , ethiopia... but you won't find the same huge amount of stephsisters, brothers, halfbrothers etc then in Africa. They definatly aren't afraid of sexual topics over there, but it's limited to a very conservative part.
I know Prince's isn't gay, and I'm not starting any prince is gay-threads here smile but his image wouldn't go down well in the majoraty of places.
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Reply #44 posted 12/17/03 8:05pm

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I was thinking about this topic recently. And also wondered if he has/why he hasn't done the Carribean? Both Barbados and St. Lucia have major jazz festivals that feature jazz and non-jazz artists and draw big local and tourist crowds.
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Reply #45 posted 12/17/03 10:10pm

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IstenSzek said:

Has he ever played in Russia or India, I wonder ?


You mean you don't have the sound board boots of those sizzlin' shows he did three nights in Vladivostok and a week in Calcutta as part of Around The World In A Day Tour in '86? Where you been? OrgNote me and I can hook you up.
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Reply #46 posted 12/17/03 10:35pm

PapaSmurf

Has Prince ever played in the Ukraine? What about Israel? Hey, has Prince played in Bosnia or Chile? Let's see, I don't think he's performed in Iraq, Iran or Saudi Arabia either. Hmmm...I wonder what the racial reasons are behind those exclusions? confuse
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Reply #47 posted 12/18/03 1:37am

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Maybe I'm being stupid but didn't a lot of record companies (Warner Music included) refuse to sell or promote their acts in South Africa during the 80s?

As for the rest of the continent, I see no problem with him playing Egypt, Morocco or Tunisia.

Its odd how Westerners think of Africa as being just deserts and indigeonous tribes, when Australia also has unpopulated areas and aboriginal people. When people think of Australia, they think of Sydney Opera House, Melbourne, Bondi Beach etc... When people think of Africa, they think of mud-huts!

Both continents were completely fucked over by white Europeans in the past.
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Reply #48 posted 12/18/03 1:39am

TonyC

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P has played every continent in the world bar the motherland.


Wrong...he hasn't played Antartica either.
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Reply #49 posted 12/18/03 1:43am

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Lammastide said:

Blueview said:

...I'd love to hear Habibi roaring an anastasia solo through Jerusalem !!

Ohhh, that would be so beautiful!


It would !!

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Reply #50 posted 12/18/03 2:23am

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WOW!!! Prince in Egypt! An outdoor concert in the dessert with the pyramids as a backdrop. I would travel half way around the world for that concert! plus there is a great hotel right near the pyramids.


Mmmm... dessert. Goes to fridge now for some cheesecake.
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