BoySimon said:

If seen no indication that they were his "creative pulse" as you say .Prince was fully trained before either came along .Again, Im not denying their contributions,I just dont overrate them as you do.He would have had the same success with Dez or anyone else employed at the time.He was already on his way .Keep in mind that "Purple Rain" is a fictional movie.

BoySimon said:

Yeah.They hipped him to Joni Mitchell.Big Deal.

lovebizzare said:

hey,i'm younger than 14,am I immature???

BinaryJustin said:[quote]

rdhull said:

Yes he was..1999 was a hit on MTV and LRC and the subsequent album and tour..he became a pop known at that time with several top ten hits from that album. Before he was an r-n-b star (the label of the time). Then he went and did 1999, exposure throguh MTV , he was a pop hit.



NO --thru PR to Parade...thats where it began and ended..some voice overs on 1999 and some on Controversy(Lisa) and Head do not make up any influence...SOTT is all Prince sans some Carol Davis and other minimal flavorings of others..he had those songs in skeletal fashion before Wendy joined fully..he gave them to the duo..things happened later and they split...he used his orignial songs and produced them more for SOTT..his most hailed album by anyone



Im not..I am saying that those here who start shit here because someone does not hail Wendy n Lisa are doing so becasue they are coming from the black/white issue..that is what I am saying.

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lovebizzare said:

Sibling rivalry. Try to accept it.

andy

i wasnt aware that Wendy an Lisa were hated on this site!!

Harlepolis said:

AMEN, Harlepolis. You hit the nail right on the head.

I get tired of the "Wendy and Lisa inspired Prince to write great music" sentiment. We would not even have heard of Wendy and Lisa if they had not been in Prince's band. Wendy and Lisa may be okay song writers/musicians, but Prince helped them to fine tune their talent as well as get them recognized as musicians because they were with him in his band during the 80's.

Prince has played with many great musicians besides Wendy and Lisa during his career, and it is a stretch to say that any one of them inspired him musically. If anything, I think Prince inspired THEM musically as far as writing, arranging and playing their music.

rdhull said:

Partly true, but believe it or not I don't worry about that shit as long as they got IT!

While I could rave Lisa 4 her sense of idividuality since she got a very unique piano playing(chordal, melodic and moody), I however can't seem 2 get the hype about the twins at all. Prince NOT giving her a space to do her thang like he gives to the rest of the guitarists is the obevious prove that Wendy can't pull tight riffs. Sussie can't sing to save her life too.

Like I said its just all about fuckin' hoopla!

Harlepolis said:[quote]

rdhull said:

Same here..I stated that because that is what the OTHER brigade feels and is why they are so defensive of them.

rdhull said:

Harlepolis said:

I have video of Susannah singing live..yes she can sing!

Thanks guys, I think I get it a little more better now. I wasn't necessarily questioning what their input was but why it always seems to get catty when they're talked about.

I guess the reason why they're hyped to death is becuase they were around in the purple rain days and out of everybody in the band they were the ones were focused on (probably being that they were the only girls).
Without them ATWIAD probably wouldn't have sounded the same and Parade might have never been. They definitely had great chemistry with him. But he has proven that he can make great albums without vertially any input.
Wendy gets hype for a number of reasons:
1.She was the only one who actually got close enough to him to be a "real" friend of his
2.the whole susannah thing
As far as her guitar work goes, she got better after being with the revolution and I seriously doubt Prince would've hired someone without any talent whatsoever. He hired her for his band, not for a protege group
So in many ways I can see why she gets hyped, but I also think at times it can be a little much

Someone also asked about Susannah, that I totally get. She inspired A LOT of his songs that have been hailed as some of his best (Adore, If I was your girlfriend, forever in my life, the beautiful ones, condition of the heart, big tall wall and some more), so I see and agree with that. And, had it not been for Wendy he would've never known her, so that's a factor in the whole Wendy thing.
I don't think anyone's ever said anything about her singing, but she can, granted she's no aretha, but she can. I don't think that where all her praise comes from.

I think that they're time with Prince was great, but I don't see them as gods or someone Prince NEEDED.

I know opinions on this matter differ, I just don't get why it can't be discussed in a more civilized manner.

Thanks for keepig this thread clean, though

I didn't know Wendy was arrogant? Can someone provide some quotes to back this statement up?

Nep2nes said:

she's not arrogant, quite sweet actually.

She's just very sure of her self and doesn't let people walk all over her, I guess that why some say she's arrogant.

Either that or they're getting her and her character in Purple Rain mixed up

BinaryJustin said:

I am not amazed he does. for the rest: well stated.

rdhull said:

Bullshit RD. Like on this thread, you are always one of the first to come up with this tired shit.

BinaryJustin said:

I'm not.

Rd sees EVERY thread as a black and white issue, mostly because I believe that he's one of those people who think it's ok to be racist against whites, but not blacks. The old double standard bullshit. Quite frankly, I'm starting to get sick of his ramblings. He's obviously so biased, he can't be objective.

Harlepolis said:

Well Said!!!

rdhull said:

WELL SAID!!!

I guess the only thing that I don't get about the "Wendy and Lisa" thing is the facts that no one mentioned how "ultra talented" Lisa Coleman was until Purple Rain. Also, if these W&L fans are so devoted, why haven't they supported their music throughout the years. Most just want to see them with Prince again. Wendy and Lisa are talented songwriters and performers so there should be a mad rush to get them touring and recording album after album. In truth, most of the people that talk the Wendy and Lisa stuff just want the Purple Rain days back. Most (and I say most) don't care if Wendy and Lisa ever pick up an instrument again unless it's in the Prince vein!

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Abrazo said:

Im one to point it out when need be yes//instead of dancing around the elephant...if it's tired then don't fuckin read it.

gemini13 said:[quote]

BinaryJustin said:

Muthafucka please..you have been here for less than 2 months so please sit down and be quiet with you exagerations(sp)



key words/meaning being what YOU believe which aint mean a damn thang




you're so full of it "new poster"...please stop trying to spread your propoganda ..racist against whites..bitch please

MrTation said:

Very good point.I have much respect for W&L and their contributions to Prince's music,but I certainly don't place them on the pedestal that many other fans on this site do.

lovebizzare said:

i feel 4 1; the people in this org are riding high in a purple sadle on a purple horse, with purple grass, water and food...its ridiculous,...thats why prince acts a fool the way he does...look at his fan-base. worshiping the man the way some do should reveil an insight to their own characters. people need to get over it cuz its really not that serious. 2; what you can say is that Wendy and Lisa never comprimised their integrity like the purple one. okay p we know you like to release an album every year, but when they start to suck and not sell, perhaps trying to improve the quality of the material instead of sorry attempts at combacks and previous strategies would be more benificial. sure turn on the record company cuz ur a big baby and can't understand "nobody digs ur music but urself KID, just like ur old man." people grow and so should he and most of all so should some of the folk in this org.

to be honest since i joined this org i have found that 75% of conversation is uncivilized and untactful. people lack a degree of maturity. to say that Wendy and Lisa had nothing to do with his career and his success (no matter how great everything b4 PR was), without it WB would have dropped him like a habit. besides he has not had that kind of popularity since then. and can't none of you say he doesn't want it. he has faced the fact that he is no longer able to do it for his own reasons. mayb he can mayb he can't, i will believe it when i see it. the duo should not be ridiculed or disrespected the way they are here, (i.e. being called lesbians , truck drivers, etc). God-4bidd someone say his "purple trenchcoat" was plum.

all this to say, people need to start being real. i enjoy his music just as much as everyone else i'm sure...but i'm not going to praise the man like he has never let me down and that he is absolutely flawless, cuz he's not

wish u heaven

theoneNTN said:

...post of the year

I think you hit the nail right on the head.

The "Prince is God" fans basicly start it (not to say that the "Wendy and lisa are God" fans don't contribute).
Whenever a thread about them is started (this one being the exception), someone always comes up with the "prince is better" or "they suck comment". Then (some of) the W&L fans get all rilied up and the fight starts (or should I say continues). It comes from both sides of the fence, so to speak.
Both sides (moreso prince's) are so damn paraniod about anyone but their beloved getting credit that they start up the so-called on-going war.(notice how this thread went, obviously none of those people posted here)
These two ladies had something with him that no one had ever had with him before and something that (at some point, won't say when, but after the '80s) wouldn't have hurt if he had it.
He's proven his greatness, that he doesn't need them, but that doesn't mean their input in his music and life wasn't worth anything.

And while I do think Prince, ultimately, is the superior musician, I do tend to admire their approach of things much more than Prince's, and can certainly see why they tend to get a lot of respect from their fans.

I know opinions differ, and I know that they can be discussed in a more grown up manner (such as this thread), but the over zealous fans of both sides start it, i knew that from the get-go, I was just wondering why.
I know now , and it really is a dumb, petty reason.

I'm glad to finally read some common sense posts about how the Revolution was not any big deal and how Wendy was not a great guitarist. She was probably mainly hired because she was a white girl and Prince wanted something different, like he often does. I'm not saying she sucked, but she was definitely not a great guitarist, or at least she sure didn't show it.

We all know that Dr. Fink was great, but Bobby Z was not a great drummer. Brown Mark and Lisa were good though. It all adds up to a competent backing band, but not a superb one. The SOTT/Lovesexy band was much more talented and everyone knows it.

"The SOTT/Lovesexy band was much more talented and everyone knows it"

well said David. The thing is the revolution were great for then but this is now, it come sdown to if you are an 80's die hard or not, if you yearn for the golden age of the 80's you'll be more pro W&L and vice versa. I guess you all know my feelings on the subject. Given Princes new beliefs and Larrys influence i doubt very much if they'll work together anyway.Can you imagine how Wndy would react if arry tried to 'guide' her!!!.

TonyC said:

I don't think anyone misses the Revolution because of their musicianship per se. There's no question that he's worked with more talented musicians. But all the musicianship in the world can't mask weak songwriting. And that is where the Revolution's value, IMO, is evident. I believe that they had more of an influence on Prince's songwriting than any other group of musician's he's been around. And not coincidentally there was a sharp shift in the sound and (again IMO) quality of the music after their departure.

I don't get so hung up on musicianship. Of course you want and need quality musicians to create quality music. But it begins and ends with the song for me.