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you ever seen or heard prince being outplayed by his felow band members? ppl you ever seen someone from prince band being better on instrument then prince?
mike scott kicked prince on rave un2 year 2000 show on guitar. any other examples? | |
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thebanishedone said: ppl you ever seen someone from prince band being better on instrument then prince?
mike scott kicked prince on rave un2 year 2000 show on guitar. any other examples? yeah right dude nobody could ever outplay prince on guitar maybe on drums or bass but definatley not on guitar | |
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yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! | |
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John Blackwell could outplay anyone on drums. Sorry Prince. | |
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Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! what about Levi?! nah, seriously, these guys certainly added another element to Prince's music, each in their own way but they never outplayed him... At the recent Basement Aftershow in Sydney; Renato was doing this killer solo on the keys, I said something like -"He is the man!", Prince replied "He's not the man." as he got on the keys. He then did his own solo for a little while giving us the impression that he's just as good. - -"If U don't like,
what U see here -get the FUNK out." | |
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0rlando said: Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! what about Levi?! nah, seriously, these guys certainly added another element to Prince's music, each in their own way but they never outplayed him... At the recent Basement Aftershow in Sydney; Renato was doing this killer solo on the keys, I said something like -"He is the man!", Prince replied "He's not the man." as he got on the keys. He then did his own solo for a little while giving us the impression that he's just as good. - Wow. I think Renato's definitely a more solid player than Prince, who has his moments. But I find Prince's piano playing pretty basic, whereas Renato makes his keyboard/piano talk!!! | |
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All that to say: Sure, his bands usually comprise members who are more advanced on their instruments than he is, maybe not the entire band but a lot of the members. Some come to mind:
Blackwell Rhonda Renato Sheila E. Lisa and, last but not least: Tony M. | |
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Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! I'll give you Sheila and Blackwell, but Larry??? I think Prince is way better on bass, Larry just thumps and plays with fuzz. Let's see Larry try the bass solo that Prince plays during the video clip of him in the studio playing along to Partyman. School is in Mr Graham.  | |
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Every single one of his guitarists since Wendy is more advanced than he is. That said, he can definitely do his thing on guitar.
The whole "Prince is a bad-ass on every instrument" thing is such myth. He's a competent drummer, certainly enough for his own records, but Sheila, Bland, Blackwell? Forget it. He's a unique and idiosyncratic bassist -- "777-9311" is ridiculously awesome -- but Larry Graham is the shit (sorry, you haters). Mark Brown could cut and so could Sonny. And while Rhonda probably isn't the most fat-bottom, groovilicious bass player in the world, she could probably spank Prince in a fusion band. As a keyboardist? Hard to tell. He certainly gets around for basic parts and accompanying himself singing, but he's not much of a soloist beyond some stock blues-influenced passages. I've never heard anybody in any of his groups lay me out as a keyboard soloist, either, though obviously Lisa brought a sophisticated sense of harmony and texture to his music. But when guys like David Sancious and Jason Rebello and especially the late great Kenny Kirkland (a genius) are fucking burning in Sting's band, for example, you gotta wonder what all the hype about the NPG is about. | |
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EverlastingNow said: Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! I'll give you Sheila and Blackwell, but Larry??? I think Prince is way better on bass, Larry just thumps and plays with fuzz. Let's see Larry try the bass solo that Prince plays during the video clip of him in the studio playing along to Partyman. School is in Mr Graham. Ridiculous. Larry Graham is the fucking Yoda of this style, my man. It did not exist before he invented it. And Prince damn well knows it, which is why he hired him. | |
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ThreadBare said: All that to say: Sure, his bands usually comprise members who are more advanced on their instruments than he is, maybe not the entire band but a lot of the members. Some come to mind:
Blackwell Rhonda Renato Sheila E. Lisa and, last but not least: Tony M. Tommy Barbarella wasn't advanced on the keys. I use to wonder how he even got picked to be in the band. | |
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eldog98 said: ThreadBare said: All that to say: Sure, his bands usually comprise members who are more advanced on their instruments than he is, maybe not the entire band but a lot of the members. Some come to mind:
Blackwell Rhonda Renato Sheila E. Lisa and, last but not least: Tony M. Tommy Barbarella wasn't advanced on the keys. I use to wonder how he even got picked to be in the band. Cause he looked like a woman probably "Climb in my fur." | |
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TedW said: EverlastingNow said: Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! I'll give you Sheila and Blackwell, but Larry??? I think Prince is way better on bass, Larry just thumps and plays with fuzz. Let's see Larry try the bass solo that Prince plays during the video clip of him in the studio playing along to Partyman. School is in Mr Graham. Ridiculous. Larry Graham is the fucking Yoda of this style, my man. It did not exist before he invented it. And Prince damn well knows it, which is why he hired him. Yeah I'm sure NO ONE would have ever thumped a bass had he not  Hired him for the weakest version of the NPG to date, very nice of him. Rhonda is 10 times the bass player that Larry ever could be. | |
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rdhull said: eldog98 said: Tommy Barbarella wasn't advanced on the keys. I use to wonder how he even got picked to be in the band. Cause he looked like a woman probably  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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EverlastingNow said: TedW said: EverlastingNow said: Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! I'll give you Sheila and Blackwell, but Larry??? I think Prince is way better on bass, Larry just thumps and plays with fuzz. Let's see Larry try the bass solo that Prince plays during the video clip of him in the studio playing along to Partyman. School is in Mr Graham. Ridiculous. Larry Graham is the fucking Yoda of this style, my man. It did not exist before he invented it. And Prince damn well knows it, which is why he hired him. Yeah I'm sure NO ONE would have ever thumped a bass had he not Hired him for the weakest version of the NPG to date, very nice of him. Rhonda is 10 times the bass player that Larry ever could be.Doesn't matter -- no one did before Larry. You're free to think what you want, but Rhonda's pocket is no where near as deep as Larry's. "She's Always..." from that Rave thing is proof enough, that shit is way thicker than anything Rhonda plays. Rhonda is an accomplished bassist, but for the funk? No contest between the two. You need bigger ears. | |
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TedW said: Every single one of his guitarists since Wendy is more advanced than he is.
That's fightin' talk! Right, outside now!  ..... BULLSEYE!  | |
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Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! Maybe that is why they were hired by Prince... "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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TedW said: EverlastingNow said: Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! I'll give you Sheila and Blackwell, but Larry??? I think Prince is way better on bass, Larry just thumps and plays with fuzz. Let's see Larry try the bass solo that Prince plays during the video clip of him in the studio playing along to Partyman. School is in Mr Graham. Ridiculous. Larry Graham is the fucking Yoda of this style, my man. It did not exist before he invented it. And Prince damn well knows it, which is why he hired him. Larry is Da man on bass along Bootsy, Prince and Marcus Miller... Sorry i forgotRhonda. So he stands among Rhonda, Larry, Marcus and Bootsy... "Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always" | |
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TedW said: EverlastingNow said: TedW said: EverlastingNow said: Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! I'll give you Sheila and Blackwell, but Larry??? I think Prince is way better on bass, Larry just thumps and plays with fuzz. Let's see Larry try the bass solo that Prince plays during the video clip of him in the studio playing along to Partyman. School is in Mr Graham. Ridiculous. Larry Graham is the fucking Yoda of this style, my man. It did not exist before he invented it. And Prince damn well knows it, which is why he hired him. Yeah I'm sure NO ONE would have ever thumped a bass had he not Hired him for the weakest version of the NPG to date, very nice of him. Rhonda is 10 times the bass player that Larry ever could be.Doesn't matter -- no one did before Larry. You're free to think what you want, but Rhonda's pocket is no where near as deep as Larry's. "She's Always..." from that Rave thing is proof enough, that shit is way thicker than anything Rhonda plays. Rhonda is an accomplished bassist, but for the funk? No contest between the two. You need bigger ears. Bigger ears ain't gonna a damn bit of good. Sure Larry's bass is deep, but let's see him try The One, or the solo in Dreaming About U. Anyone who thinks a bass is just for thumping is missing how beautiful a bass can be played. If I was putting together a band, I'd want someone who can play any style of music like Rhonda, not a one trick pony like Mr Larry Graham. | |
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EverlastingNow said: TedW said: EverlastingNow said: TedW said: EverlastingNow said: Jasziah said: yep, both sheila e and john blackwell on drums
and mike scott with his style of guitar playing larry graham on bass najee on sax and flute rosie g. with her style of singing dr. fink on keys -- fast fingers! I'll give you Sheila and Blackwell, but Larry??? I think Prince is way better on bass, Larry just thumps and plays with fuzz. Let's see Larry try the bass solo that Prince plays during the video clip of him in the studio playing along to Partyman. School is in Mr Graham. Ridiculous. Larry Graham is the fucking Yoda of this style, my man. It did not exist before he invented it. And Prince damn well knows it, which is why he hired him. Yeah I'm sure NO ONE would have ever thumped a bass had he not Hired him for the weakest version of the NPG to date, very nice of him. Rhonda is 10 times the bass player that Larry ever could be.Doesn't matter -- no one did before Larry. You're free to think what you want, but Rhonda's pocket is no where near as deep as Larry's. "She's Always..." from that Rave thing is proof enough, that shit is way thicker than anything Rhonda plays. Rhonda is an accomplished bassist, but for the funk? No contest between the two. You need bigger ears. Bigger ears ain't gonna a damn bit of good. Sure Larry's bass is deep, but let's see him try The One, or the solo in Dreaming About U. Anyone who thinks a bass is just for thumping is missing how beautiful a bass can be played. If I was putting together a band, I'd want someone who can play any style of music like Rhonda, not a one trick pony like Mr Larry Graham. mmm-HMMM! | |
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TedW said: Every single one of his guitarists since Wendy is more advanced than he is. That said, he can definitely do his thing on guitar.
The whole "Prince is a bad-ass on every instrument" thing is such myth. He's a competent drummer, certainly enough for his own records, but Sheila, Bland, Blackwell? Forget it. He's a unique and idiosyncratic bassist -- "777-9311" is ridiculously awesome -- but Larry Graham is the shit (sorry, you haters). Mark Brown could cut and so could Sonny. And while Rhonda probably isn't the most fat-bottom, groovilicious bass player in the world, she could probably spank Prince in a fusion band. As a keyboardist? Hard to tell. He certainly gets around for basic parts and accompanying himself singing, but he's not much of a soloist beyond some stock blues-influenced passages. I've never heard anybody in any of his groups lay me out as a keyboard soloist, either, though obviously Lisa brought a sophisticated sense of harmony and texture to his music. But when guys like David Sancious and Jason Rebello and especially the late great Kenny Kirkland (a genius) are fucking burning in Sting's band, for example, you gotta wonder what all the hype about the NPG is about. I really appreciate your insight. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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I haven't followed the NPG's playing enough to chime in with much intelligence here, but I've seen Sheila upstage Prince several times.
Maybe the most blatant in recent times was Prince's last appearance on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The band played "Everlasting Now," And while Prince was good, Sheila definitely OWNED that entire room. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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Lammastide said: I haven't followed the NPG's playing enough to chime in with much intelligence here, but I've seen Sheila upstage Prince several times.
Maybe the most blatant in recent times was Prince's last appearance on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The band played "Everlasting Now," And while Prince was good, Sheila definitely OWNED that entire room. OWNED that entire room...hmmm. Because she was slamming percussion with her feet and generally acting like an over-enthusiastic 'special child' at a birthday party? Prince owned that room...and for the RIGHT reasons. ..... BULLSEYE! | |
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I'm sorry...
I really hate it when people try to compare musicians in terms of "who's better"... THAT being said... You're all whacked. Mike Scott is definately blazin', and I've seen him in small clubs in D.C. up close, BUT... he did NOT "beat Prince" in the Rave concert, or any other time... Neither did Dez, Levi, or Miko. NOBODY plays funk Bass the way Prince does, and he is underrated with other styles on Bass. Most all musicians in Prince's bands, past and present, will tell U that it's spooky working with P, 'cause he can play your instrument as well or better than U. This is not a myth... Don't sleep. Don't believe the bullshit on this thread. Don't underestimate P's skills on guitar, bass, keys, or even drums... although I gotta say John Blackwell might be an exception. Peace. G. [This message was edited Fri Dec 5 14:48:01 PST 2003 by Giovanni777] "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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Who's the dude in the Sign o the times vid that sits down on the stage with some crazy hat strings hanging over his face, playing a totally mean jazz guitar (I think during Beautiful night).
I reckon he's better than Prince...at playing that mean jazz guitar. While sitting on stage. Wearing some string shit over his face. At least. ..... BULLSEYE! | |
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Taureau said: Lammastide said: I haven't followed the NPG's playing enough to chime in with much intelligence here, but I've seen Sheila upstage Prince several times.
Maybe the most blatant in recent times was Prince's last appearance on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. The band played "Everlasting Now," And while Prince was good, Sheila definitely OWNED that entire room. OWNED that entire room...hmmm. Because she was slamming percussion with her feet and generally acting like an over-enthusiastic 'special child' at a birthday party? Prince owned that room...and for the RIGHT reasons. exactly...--sheila was trippin...runnin around bangin on shit etc "Climb in my fur." | |
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Taureau said: Who's the dude in the Sign o the times vid that sits down on the stage with some crazy hat strings hanging over his face, playing a totally mean jazz guitar (I think during Beautiful night).
I reckon he's better than Prince...at playing that mean jazz guitar. While sitting on stage. Wearing some string shit over his face. At least. I think it's Miko Weaver. And Miko has said that he learnt all his licks from Prince, so that puts your argument to bed  | |
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I agree with Geovanni.
It's absurd to compare styles. Maybe Miko can play guitar faster than Prince, but that is not a competition, you are not better because you play fast. The question is. Renato, for e.g., is an excelent keyboardist, probably best Prince has had. And I will never say Prince is best. I only say Prince is more personal, and Prince can play, at least, the same. And I think Prince loves his musicians to make their work. I saw Prince when Miko in the band, and Mike played solos sometimes, and Prince other times. No competition. | |
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You are all wrong. Jerome was the best at everything! He was the real talent (just ahead of Wally).
Onion Heads! . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: You are all wrong. Jerome was the best at everything! He was the real talent (just ahead of Wally).
Onion Heads!  "Climb in my fur." | |
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