thebugman6 said:

I'm not about to ruin your experience over there if you enjoy it. The music is fine. The style is what it is. The religion is his trip to take. None of those things are really the problem. My only deal has been with a certain attitude...or like I said before, an "energy", that makes it difficult for me to be myself in that environment. It might not be an issue for you at all, and if that's the case, then great. Enjoy. Meanwhile, I also think there are other aspects of the club to enjoy other than the message boards.

thebugman6 said:

They got their peanut butter in my chocolate...

so what actually happened...? some major forums event? some ludicrous announcement? some offensive religious/political rant? or just the same old fam bs?

rdhull said:

Hang on a moment

All that criticising of Alex Hahn's book and you NEVER ACTUALLY READ IT ???

I've got a great idea, why don't you become a journalist ?

AaronUniversal said:

The mods once again totally disrespected me..they like to belittle me. When Im just minding my own business to enjoying the site and its features like chat etc. I know its silly but still..it isn't right and just because they have power they should not do certain things to its members just because they personally dont like them etc

freakyfeet said:

now is not the time..I told yall I aint read it..I criitcized the theme and flavor of the book and form all accopunts it wasnt liek I missed the mark

rdhull said:

that's a reminder. whenever we get bent out of shape about the moderation here, we should keep the NPGMC in mind...

rdhull said:

Attention seeking alert

freakyfeet said:

It is not! It was a cry in my beer thing yeah but not no ASA..damn! I fuckin sit here and say my feelings even though they may be seen as immature etc to be laughed at or mocked etc and you invalidate or mock me with this shit?!

And for th e record..any post made by anybody can be seen as an "attention seeking alert" if you want to be smarty about it! You owe me an apology!

Anyone that posts over 17,000 messages on here absolutely needs help



You take life WAAAY too seriously man. Just go to bed and relax rather than getting all upset about...

a) a musician (yes, that's all he really is)
b) his silly little "club"
c) someone making a joke about you wanting attention
d) a namecheck

Seriously, too many orgers take Prince too personnally and too seriously.

He is an asshole, more than ever before, this jeovah stuff stinks, but that would never lead me and should never lead anyone to drop my 1999, Purple Rain or my Small Club 1988!

DrD said:

DrD said:

But it might ruin the joy you once felt listening to his music and make you think twice if it's really right to continue to support that person and the religion he believes in

Serious said:

You can be a fan of the music without being a fan of the man.

Also, anyway who supports the same religion as Prince, PURELY becuase Prince supports them seriously has a screw loose.

Gav said:

I meant supporting the JWs financially by buying Prince stuff as I am very sure that he supports them financially.
Yes I can be a fan of a person's music, but not the person, but it is very difficult to really dislike a person and not be respected by the artist in any way as a fan.

Gav said:

Ya know, that's a difficult statement for me to accept in some ways. Until Lovesexy I didn't believe in God, didn't have any interest and just skipped all the religious stuff in his music etc. However 1988 changed my life. Allowing God into my life changed my whole outlook on life, the way I perceive things and the way I conduct myself and the way I love. I have no interest in becoming a Jehovah and actually hold them in disdain as I lost a very close friend to the religion, she died beacuse she wouldn't have a blood transfusion. That said, Lovesexy taught me that God was inside of us and was the goodness we feel in love for one another.

Prince is more to me than just the music, the words are as important to me as well. Without those words the music would not have such a great impact. Prince can play a single note of music and that single not can convey so much. So yes the Man is the Music in Prince's case. he has so much to say and this is the form in which he does it. If he were a painer would would see it in his paintings, if he were a writer we would see it in books, as he is a musician we see it in lyrics and music.

I think that if a Prince song started preaching to me about what Jehovah's believe as opposed to what I now believe God to be based on his teachings amd my learnings through Lovesexy I would be leaving it behind as well.

I have not joined the NPGMC but if this is what is being rammed down your throat over there I would be feeling the same way too.

No-one here has stated what the problem is over there, what is being moderated etc so I can't comment, but I would be very interested to know what has happened.

Anxiety said:

[This message was edited Wed Nov 26 0:43:56 PST 2003 by LolaM]

What is at the site that has broght you down? I admit, I am sort of the prodigal prince fan. I worshipped the fucker in the 80's. My friends and I bought everything we could find and almost formed a circle-jerk when we discovered bootleg albums with outtakes and live stuff.

He lost me in the 90's after The symbol CD. I didn't care much for Diamonds & Pearls, either, but it was listenable. I absolutely hated the Symbol Cd, though. I pawned it for 3 bucks not too long after buying it. After that, Prince drifted away from my mind, being replaced by David Bowie and Pink Floyd (pre-darkside ONLY).

I bought Emancipation on a whim (a 36$ whim) and gave it away the next day after the "Jam of the Year" almost drove me insane. I skimmed through the tracks and got rid of it. I guess I was so against the man that anything he put out would have been trashed by me.

Then I saw the BET interview and was further enraged at the "other persuasion" comments.

Lately, though, I have softened up somewhat and have re-bought the 90's stuff on Ebay (got it fairly cheap THIS time). I have been listening to Emancipation again and, to my surprise, I like some of it.

It's still sad that it's all about money & religion now, though.

rdhull said: I know he is human and he probably si funny as hell but I can almost se how soem of those around him have -could be hurt by him. How he lets certain things happen.

I've thought about this too. It's easy to assume that Prince is in total control, and has all the power to do whatever he wants. Afterall, it is his music that is the reason so many want to be close to him. But in reality maybe there are others whose hands are on the steering wheel forcing the direction and limiting the moves that he makes.

I'll never quit Prince, I think that the Prettyman is still capable of breaking free and staying true to himself.

Hey rd - don't do it!

Like you, I am a fan of 20 years, and also because of npgmc I nearly, very nearly gave it all up and considered a 'cleansing' like you are thinking of.

Funnily enough, it was this place that stopped me.

It all started when I discovered there was a new album out (NEWS). I couldn't find it anywhere so I thought maybe it's a club-only release. I decided I'd go to npgonline (as they used to be). I had never joined before but used to visit the site occasionally to see if anything new was happening. Well, for the past 6 months or so the domain was owned (or being used) by some porn peddlar, but then recently I was redirected to the new npgmc site, and I thought - Great! - I'll be able to buy NEWS from the site. Wrong! I really couldn't believe that there was nothing available at all without paying a 'doh'nation.

I had a brief email exchange with one of the npgmc automatons, which I won't go into because it'll make this post far too long and boring. Suffice to say I snapped and was ready to purge myself of Prince and his faceless robots who had just turned my Prince experience to shit.

I decided to have one last look around to see if I could find some opinions on npgmc. I wondered if perhaps my first email to them was too harsh and that was what resulted in the hostile attitude I subsequently experienced.

And so I happened upon the org (I knew of the org's existence but hadn't really bothered with it before) and discovered that npgmc seemed to be pissing off more people than they were pleasing. So it wasn't just me!

After a few days of traipsing through the forums here it became clear that I am on a site packed with dedicated Prince fans who think npgmc sucks. So I thought OK, the man still has it, it's just the npgmc that've lost it, and it will really only be my loss if I close the Prince chapter of my life now. I didn't need his website before, I can live without it now.

Every time I think about what npgmc are doing to Prince's fan base it makes my blood boil, I consider them to be something of an anti-Prince camp (they certainly don't do him any favours as far as I can see).

So I'm older now, wiser (maybe), more mature (hopefully) and I no longer need to rush out and buy every new Prince release the instant it's out. I haven't heard ONA, Xenophobia (?), CNOTE, or any other npgmc-only music, and probably never will. I have no intention of joining npgmc (ever) and will only buy Prince music that is officially released. If Prince was really interested in his fans getting to hear all his music then he'd make it easier for them to do so.

I'm starting to ramble so I'll get to the point : I eventually found NEWS in a record shop, bought it, and have been enjoying it ever since. I came to the realisation that I didn't want to purge myself of Prince and never listen to his music again, that would be a tradgedy. Instead I decided that I would go on being the kind of Prince fan I always have been : Buy his albums when they come out, take my chances getting tickets for his (far too rare) concerts, and ignore all the rest of the shit surrounding him. It was his music that made me such a huge fan, and it is only his music that continues to keep me interested.

So, knowing that you are at least as hardcore a fan as me (and probably more so), I know that if you build a Princely Pyre and cleanse yourself of all things Prince, you will regret it, probably before the first cd case melts. A few days later you'll be kicking yourself when you go to play some music and realise just how often you actually used to play Prince, a few days after that you'll probably feel the need to start your collection again.

So for your own sake don't do it! Ignore the npgmc, they're not worth the energy you expend getting angry with them. Concentrate instead on Prince, he is the funk.

Your love of Prince and his music has nothing to do with npgmc, don't let them do both you and Prince the ultimate disservice of turning you into an anti-fan.

To quote the signature of some dedicated Prince fan or other around here :
What you got they can't steal it, no they can't even feel it

freakyfeet said:

The more you try to dampen my spirits, the more I will keep on keepin on. Thank you for the motivation. By the way...I do understand what you mean compeltely and agree with you as I have alluded to in my posst on this thread about th e sillines of it all...but...you still owe me an apolgy.

freakyfeet said:

By the way since Im soo serious about this (I guess u missed me stating a reason for the drama being that they got their peanut butter in my chocolate) you sure did reply in my thread and knowread here so dont front..and dont be a ding dong...you just lurk etc. Now aologize for what youve done.

Rd, you could also just skip the club and still enjoy the org and the music. Like you also told all the fans who came before you to this messageboard to complain about the club and how frustrated they were because of religious and politcal statements of Prince and how their Prince experience was ruined, you don't have to join. You don't have to keep on going there. Prince will realise his mistakes soon enough when the money dries up.

I still say if you treat NPGMC like a retail outlet that has an occasional perk, and walk away from the whole online bulletin board part of it, you'll be much better off for it.

You got people on there sayin' that if Prince comes to their house to witness, they promise to convert to JW. What the hell??? They think converting to another religion is like Mayte throwin' them a freakin' tamboracca?? "You got a Melody Cool picture disc? Well, guess what ***I*** have!!!"

I HATE THAT MENTALITY!!!

It's creepy and it's delusional and it's gross, and what I don't get is if Prince is so religious these days as to be against man made idols, how could he let people get so freaky over his holy ass? It's like, on the one end he wants to be true to his beliefs and he wants to be an independent artist and he wants to be the little man against the big machine. On the other hand, he wants to have the bling and the screaming girls and the limosene.

Stinkin' geminis...

I already feel better for swearin' off the club. There are a lotta good people over there who don't come here, but that's what the PM function is for...

The day I see rd throwing away all of his copies of 1999 is the day I stick a pair of scissors in my eye!

The problem is that 'club' aspect of it was really invisible this last year.

I mean when you join something called the 'NPGMusicClub' you assume the focus of the club is music. And certainly the term 'club' implies exclusivity. I was able to purchase the major musical releases (Live DVD, N.E.W.S.) at places other than the music club. So for my money to work I had to find value in the other aspects of it, like the forum and such. But the Hitler Youth mentality that dominates that place just makes you wanna spit on somebody.

Anxiety said:[quote]I still say if you treat NPGMC like a retail outlet that has an occasional perk, and walk away from the whole online bulletin board part of it, you'll be much better off for it.

You got people on there sayin' that if Prince comes to their house to witness, they promise to convert to JW. What the hell??? They think converting to another religion is like Mayte throwin' them a freakin' tamboracca?? "You got a Melody Cool picture disc? Well, guess what ***I*** have!!!"

I HATE THAT MENTALITY!!!



yeah it freaks me out when someone criticises the club, and no matter how tactfully they do it at least double or triple the amount of people who agree will come online and disagree rather openly. one person once told me that the word "better" which i had used (ie i think this would be better) was better used in the title of the 10th song off of chaos & disorder. i looked it up (not having the album) and it was dig u better dead! i couldnt believe someone had used that song in relation to me just cos i disagreed with somethign that happened. it really fucks me off just thinking about it. they assume this position of moral superioty and its totally misplaced!

It's creepy...some people really take it too far, and I don't understand where that kind of fanaticism comes from...I mean, I get a little embarrassed when guests come over and see my big ol' tower of Prince CDs...I can't imagine being so overwhelmingly zealous about some musician I liked, and how I'd ever hope to interact with the rest of humanity. It's just mind-boggling to me.