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Reply #60 posted 11/23/03 6:46am

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blackboab said:

prince is higher than james brown and hendrix because he released better albums than both of them.


As a Prince fan, I understand your feelings about Prince's output. Without question he's released some of the greatest albums of all time. But understand that when you talk about Hendrix, in particular, you're speaking of someone who completely changed the landscape and vocabulary of electric guitar. I sincerely doubt that Prince has released anything that has had the impact and influence of 'Are You Experienced' or 'Electric Ladyland'.



I disagree, Mr Hendrix' work has had longer to become ingrained into popular culture. It's relevance is easier to recognise due to the time passed since their release. Furthermore, i believe the sad death of Jimi, along with artists such as Lennon, has exagerrated their greatness to almost to 'god like'. Who is to say that the brilliance displayed by hendrix on his small catalouge of work would have continued? People wrongly assume that he would have continued pushing musical envelope. The fact is, we just cant say. Fortunately, Prince is still with us. However, If Prince were to have died after making the sign of the times LP he would have left a legacy of albums today as great and significant as Hendrix. Prince would have been dead for 16 yrs and i dont think i have heard an album as fresh or innovative and compelling as 'Parade'. Looking back on his catalouge (comprising of released material, vault material and video footage) i would safely say that Prince was the best of his generation.Prince' influence on modern music is equally as great as Hendrix, u can here it everywhere and the man is still with us. Time will reveal Prince to be one of the most important musical forces to grace the planet.
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Reply #61 posted 11/23/03 6:58am

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PRNelson said:

Time will reveal Prince to be one of the most important musical forces to grace the planet.


What? Yeah right... rolleyes
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Reply #62 posted 11/23/03 7:02am

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PRNelson said:

Time will reveal Prince to be one of the most important musical forces to grace the planet.


What? Yeah right... rolleyes


I'm neither a reactionary nor a syncophant, but I also support PR Nelson's comment.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 23 7:02:56 PST 2003 by Number23]
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Reply #63 posted 11/23/03 8:52am

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nod I totally agree with PR nelsons remarks too. Many are so reluctant in allowing Prince pass into the musical ranks of universal greatness. This baffles me. Prince has trancended musical, racial, sexual and gender barriers. He is all those that came before him and more. He was the next step in musical transition. Princes recognition and due appreciation will come with time.It may be a contradicition in terms but the inability to catergories Prince makes him all the more unique and recogniseable. Prince has given us a musical genre all of his own and it is Prince music, it is everything you have heard before and nothing you have heard before. When he's on the money, Prince could match or even out perform any of the so called 'untouchable musical gods' (yawn) on the stage or track for track.
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Reply #64 posted 11/23/03 9:17am

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nod I totally agree with PR nelsons remarks too. Many are so reluctant in allowing Prince pass into the musical ranks of universal greatness. This baffles me. Prince has trancended musical, racial, sexual and gender barriers. He is all those that came before him and more. He was the next step in musical transition. Princes recognition and due appreciation will come with time.It may be a contradicition in terms but the inability to catergories Prince makes him all the more unique and recogniseable. Prince has given us a musical genre all of his own and it is Prince music, it is everything you have heard before and nothing you have heard before. When he's on the money, Prince could match or even out perform any of the so called 'untouchable musical gods' (yawn) on the stage or track for track.


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Reply #65 posted 11/23/03 10:55am

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violator said:

blackboab said:

prince is higher than james brown and hendrix because he released better albums than both of them.


As a Prince fan, I understand your feelings about Prince's output. Without question he's released some of the greatest albums of all time. But understand that when you talk about Hendrix, in particular, you're speaking of someone who completely changed the landscape and vocabulary of electric guitar. I sincerely doubt that Prince has released anything that has had the impact and influence of 'Are You Experienced' or 'Electric Ladyland'.



I disagree, Mr Hendrix' work has had longer to become ingrained into popular culture. It's relevance is easier to recognise due to the time passed since their release. Furthermore, i believe the sad death of Jimi, along with artists such as Lennon, has exagerrated their greatness to almost to 'god like'. Who is to say that the brilliance displayed by hendrix on his small catalouge of work would have continued? People wrongly assume that he would have continued pushing musical envelope. The fact is, we just cant say. Fortunately, Prince is still with us. However, If Prince were to have died after making the sign of the times LP he would have left a legacy of albums today as great and significant as Hendrix. Prince would have been dead for 16 yrs and i dont think i have heard an album as fresh or innovative and compelling as 'Parade'. Looking back on his catalouge (comprising of released material, vault material and video footage) i would safely say that Prince was the best of his generation.Prince' influence on modern music is equally as great as Hendrix, u can here it everywhere and the man is still with us. Time will reveal Prince to be one of the most important musical forces to grace the planet.


What you're saying is completely true. And I don't doubt the possibility that in time Prince's musical influence may in fact rival that of Hendrix. But we're not talking about the future. We're talking about right now. You and I just agree to disagree, I suppose, if your position is that Prince's influence is equal to or greater than Hendrix's.

As a musician Jimi Hendrix completely changed the landscape of electric guitar. Prince, while being an extremely talented multi-instrumentalist (as was Hendrix), has not had near this effect on any of the instruments that he plays. A recent list of the 100 greatest guitarists of all time had Hendrix firmly planted at #1 while Prince didn't even chart. And while I'm not necessarily in agreement with that, I think it does represent a mindset that many folks share. There was a post here recently about Rolling Stone's 500 greatest albums of all-time. Hendrix's 'Electric Ladyland' and 'Are You Experienced' both charted on that list before Prince's first entry. Check my profile, my favorite album of all time is '1999'. I've been a lifelong fan and at his best, nobody's music has touched me as Prince's has. That still doesn't change my feeling that Hendrix's music and musicianship has shown to be more influential than Prince's.
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Reply #66 posted 11/23/03 11:01am

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Milty said:

how can Prince be above Jimi Hendrix and James Brown?
confuse

This lists goes by best albums / singles of the year ...

For every appearence an artist gets points:
Jimi has only three studio-albums
James has way to much albums and singles ... so the votes are too diverse to get an album on the top.
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Reply #67 posted 11/23/03 7:58pm

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prince is currently 5th in the list of greatest rock and pop acts of all time by music critics from around the world, whats the orgers views on this?..i think its great that he is up there with the greats...here is the top 40.

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.1 The Beatles
2 The Rolling Stones
3 Bob Dylan
4 David Bowie
5 Prince
6 Bruce Springsteen
7 Jimi Hendrix
8 The Beach Boys
9 Marvin Gaye
10 Elvis Presley
11 The Who
12 Stevie Wonder
13 R.E.M.
14 Neil Young
15 Led Zeppelin
16 The Clash
17 Nirvana
18 Elvis Costello
19 Radiohead
20 U2
21 The Velvet Underground
22 Van Morrison
23 Public Enemy
24 Bob Marley and The Wailers
25 Pink Floyd
26 Aretha Franklin
27 The Byrds
28 Talking Heads
29 The Smiths
30 The Doors
31 Beck
32 Beastie Boys
33 Sly and the Family Stone
34 Creedence Clearwater Revival
35 Roxy Music
36 Sex Pistols
37 James Brown
38 Joni Mitchell
39 Michael Jackson
40 The Band
...
...http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/

I'd like 2 know how reliable THIS list is & WHO puts it out? R they musical wizards? I'll have 2 do some checking...Guess I'M not familiar with IT. The reason I'M skeptical IS: 1. PRINCE SURELY DESERVES # 5 or HIGHER, (that I will agree with) BUT on these TYPE of "popularity" lists HE usually NEVER makes it WHERE HE RIGHTLY BELONGS. 2. MJ & JB is way TOO LOW 4 their contributions. I mean U2 & sex pistols & the clash, public enemy etc. are way TOO FAR UP there, IMO. R they kidding? The 1st 10 ONLY seems ABOUT right. The rest must have just been haphazardedly added 2 make a list of 40, probably NOT by EXPERIENCED AUIOPHILES. The DOORS also SHOULD be up higher. These lists R usually just opinions of a select group of ppl that KNOW NOTHING about GREAT music.
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Reply #68 posted 11/24/03 4:43am

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well you will find all the information you want at...http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/ ...
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Reply #69 posted 11/24/03 6:55am

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Prince hit the music with the same impact #1 on this list did. That's why he is the baddest. There were the one's before him but they didn't have all the ingredients Prince did mainly because they came before him! See, Prince is better because of them not in spite of them.
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Reply #70 posted 11/24/03 3:18pm

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hmmm...I don't agree with this one here.


As much as I apreciate theBeatles for what they have done for music and how great they were and the impact thet made, I don't see them as a great "act". The same goes to TheRollingStones.

When it comes to "acts" U cannot go past contemporary performers who have put together some of the greatest shows as in tecnhnical stage productions and musical arrangements combined,

Prince is the only one who can master this formula better than anyone who has ever graced any stage. His shows have always been musical and visual masterpieces.

Although he now only concentrates on his musical delivery, he still commands grace and style better than anyone else.

There are other artists who have made an impact as performers but lacked musical virtuosity and vice versa.

and in a studio, well, again he's something else...
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Reply #71 posted 11/24/03 3:39pm

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I think many of you underestimate Prince's, U2's etc contribution. I know it is easy to wax sentimental about JB, Jimi etc, but it has been 30 years or more since they have been relevant and Jimi is dead. Prince, U2 (other bands still plugging away) will not be fully appreciated until more time has passed and people have had a decade or two to look back at their music.

Prince, IMHO, would be number 1, 2 or 3 as a performer if he had of not gone underground after Purple Rain. If he had of released a couple more albums that kept him in front of the general public for another 5 years or so more people would have come to see him for more than just PR and recognized the breadth of his talents. Throw out all the nonsense (slave etc) and I think he would be worshiped by the populous, not just those fans who went underground with him.
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Reply #72 posted 11/24/03 5:10pm

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As much as I apreciate theBeatles for what they have done for music and how great they were and the impact thet made, I don't see them as a great "act". The same goes to TheRollingStones.



no no. i think they use the word "act" to cover solo artists, bands, groups etc. if they said bands then prince wouldnt be in it. by saying acts they cover all types of musicial artist. i think thats what they mean here. at least thats what ive always taken it to mean!!

as for people complaining about who compiled this list. if the people compiling it didnt know their stuff, a) how is prince at #5? only someone who know something aqbout music would do that, plus b) why is it all lists are done by people hwo know nothing? they must know something to be a fucking journalist, or whatever in the industry! i know its annoying when you see shit lists but still, they must know soemthign to be in a position to make these lists! as pointless as they may be!
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Reply #73 posted 11/25/03 2:34am

blackboab

i agree with you 100%
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Reply #74 posted 11/25/03 3:00am

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I am so sick of reading how "over-rated" The Beatles are. They did so fucking much for music. Get a fucking grip.
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Reply #75 posted 11/25/03 4:58am

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I think its OK, the sodding Beatles will always top these things. The Stones are not too high, but who the hell puts the Who above Led Zeppelin? At least Jimi's up there, but whatever you think about Michael Jackson, putting him at no.39 is ridiculous


I definitely agree. Despite what's going on with Michael Jackson, he belongs in the top 5. I usually don't pay attention to these things too. I'm surprised at how high they have Public Enemy. That's interesting. I do believe that PE is important.
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Reply #76 posted 11/25/03 5:02am

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2funkE said:

I think many of you underestimate Prince's, U2's etc contribution. I know it is easy to wax sentimental about JB, Jimi etc, but it has been 30 years or more since they have been relevant and Jimi is dead. Prince, U2 (other bands still plugging away) will not be fully appreciated until more time has passed and people have had a decade or two to look back at their music.

Prince, IMHO, would be number 1, 2 or 3 as a performer if he had of not gone underground after Purple Rain. If he had of released a couple more albums that kept him in front of the general public for another 5 years or so more people would have come to see him for more than just PR and recognized the breadth of his talents. Throw out all the nonsense (slave etc) and I think he would be worshiped by the populous, not just those fans who went underground with him.
[This message was edited Mon Nov 24 15:46:13 PST 2003 by 2funkE]


Prince didn't go underground after Purple Rain. Around the World in a Day, Parade and Sign O' the Times had great acclaim and sales. He really didn't go underground, per se, until he started the club. His media presence diminished around the time of the Symbol album, but I do remember Sexy MF getting a lot of air time.
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Reply #77 posted 11/25/03 12:53pm

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No one cares where this list is from? For all you know it could be a real list with Queen or something taken out and Prince replaced.
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Reply #78 posted 11/26/03 2:29am

blackboab

michael jackson does not belong in the top five, he only released an album every five years and has never released cutting edge music so i would put him maybe in the top twenty.
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Reply #79 posted 11/26/03 12:33pm

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LOL...The list is nothing more than a complete joke and another bunch of informed opinions.

There are many acts and entertainers not on the list more influencial in the big scope of music.

I laugh everytime such a list comes out. Form your own opinions...nuff said!
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