Let's say that MJ Started working on some new material and it was to be released on the same time as the Chocolate invasion, who do you think would have the biggest commercial come back ?

Prince (his royal badness)

or

Micheal Jackson (Mr.Bad himself)

I think Micheal Jackson is workin' on some new material, cuz I remember reading a article where Pharrell was talking about how amazing it was working in the studio with him.

MJ has more commercial clout.

Prince has more artistice clout.

Bada-bing.

Romance1600 said:

True ... I just don't understand this whole come back thing, cuz as far as I'm concerned Prince never went away... wasn't TRC commercial enuff ?

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Here we go with this on-going debate. It's been going on since the 80's and it shall continue until (probably) the 80's of this century.

I'd say MJ, because I never thought of the Chocolate Invasion as a commercial release. I reckon it's just to give folks a place to get the NPGMC tracks without buying bootlegs.

Mizzunderstood said:

Come now.

We ALL understand. Prince IS NO LONGER COMMERCIAL.

Regardless of what WE THE FANS think of his music, no one else gives a shit.

So to the large majority, a "hit" single/album for Prince in 2004 would be a comeback because the last thing a lot of people think he released was MBGITW - even if they know he's released stuff since then, they haven't seen it promoted/talked about in the mass media, and thus disregard it as flop material, or self-indulgent toss-off.

MJ was, and probably always will be bigger than Prince (in terms of sales and pop culture).

They are two very different artists, it's just that they have been compared in terms of ??? (race?) and thus have some sort of parallel that is easily used for marketing/promotion/media purposes.

MJ IS working on something new, in fact it's due to be released in the US tomorrow. And yes, no doubt it will do better commercially than any new Prince offerings.

yadda yadda yadda...

If anything, I'd like 2 see P vs MJ taking it 2 the hoop on the basketball court...

as far as what they do... well its obvious who's got more commercial appeal( for all the wrong reasons). And who's got more artistic appeal(for obvious reasons).

I walked in2 a store the other day, they were playing an MJ song, I'd heard it b4 but couldn't name it!
After a while I realised it was the nu song...MJ's still cool tho.

0rlando said:

MJ's had training personally by Shaq (I think it was???) and is a good couple of feet taller. Not much contest!

Since the chat room is empty, i have plenty of time to comment on this matter. Prince has been and always will be cool and we can't wait for new stuff to arrive! (i was so used to a new CD every couple of weeks for a while there...i got so spoiled and now i'm hungry for more!!!) When I was in highschool, My best friend Michelle and I would have a battle...she is a hardcore Micheal fan and me Prince...she would dress up in her zipper gear and shiny glove and I would put my veiled hat on...lace and leather outfit (made by me) and drum sticks for fun. We would fight to the death in her barn...she would play a song and act it out, then I would play a song and act it out...it would last all weekend...so much fun...but what I realized was that I enjoyed Micheals music too. And it goes on forever...he was a talented child star and talented still...just caught up in himself and red tape...but Prince has always stayed the same...yah,,, band changes and different relationships and religions but you always knew when he came out with something new it was going to be good!!! They both have a strong fan base and they both can still sell records...my question is...how long do you think it took Micheal to purchase the new Prince CD???

0rlando said:

The difference between MJ and Prince is
Micheal Jackson still thinks he's young, which is why he has more commercial appeal to 2 this generation.
Prince thinks he's a old man, playing jazz music, which why he hasn't had as much commercial success as MJ ... either way it goes I think we all know the truth about who has the real talent... but why does it seem like nobody else gets it ? I'm sure if Prince was walkin' around, still trying to appeal 2 the mtv generation... he'd still be getting the average radio air play, the only question is, would we still have the respect for him? Would Prince Commercialism make him more then or less then a real musician?

DigitalLisa said:

This org would be COMPLETELY different if that was the case.

0rlando said:

Haven't we learned of Mike's potential as a baller when he went up againt Jordan in the "Jam" video?

There really is no contest between MJ & P, is there really?

Prince is sexy, MJ is asexual. There you have it.

DigitalLisa said:

Prince is an old (and wise) man when it comes to the shear breadth of his career. He has the skill and experience to play what he wants, be it jazz or other styles, and he doesn't need to cling to the style of his past pop fame.

all I know is if MJ needs to take some musical risks. He is getting stale. I think he has a problem where everything he does has to hit number 1 (in his head), and that is affecting him creatively.

I've seen this debate since Prince's "I Wanna Be Your Lover" knocked Michael Jackson "Off the Wall" back in early 1980, and I've yet to understand a comparison of any kind between these two, except maybe something racial.

cynicalbastard said:

charlottegelin said:

Amen. Prince is more fearless and creative than Michael Jackson. Michael has become too effeminate and wussy to churn out a decent song and it's pretty much been that way since "Dangerous". "History Book 2" was good enough, but that was 1995. It's now 2003. He's been tragic for 8 years and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

DarlingCaroline said:

yeah,but if prince just comes up an knocks his nose off his face,u'll know who'll win


+ he's very competitve,he might just rip off MJ's whole face








now THAT would b funny

sabaisabai said:

the man almost 3x my age,so yeah,he is old

MJ has to get a commercial success, because he has to pay a lot of debts.

Prince is giving a sh** to commercial success, he wants to his play music


Easy, right?

michael jackson is white and prince is black

wildblueangel said:

Prince is half Phillipino.

I wrote this a while ago in response to some absolute sh*t for brains d!ckhead w*ankers on here who are so stupid they shouldn't be permitted to breathe.

OK, this is a really difficult subject whether closed minded individuals see it or not. First of all understand that I spend vast amounts of time defending Prince and his unorthodox antics to Michael fans and vice versa.

I think it is really important to understand that Mike and Prince are so different in so many ways that it is just not fair to compare them directly. Yes, certain statements such as 'Sign O The Times pisses all over Bad' are true, just as 'HIStory is an infinitely stronger comeback and career crossroads album than Emancipation was' is also true. But to get bogged down in petty little arguements that hinge on personal taste is to miss the point entirely.

Michael and Prince may keep an inquisitive eye on eachother and variously irritate and please eachother at different times but they have been brought up in different ways, led completely different lives, want different things and see music in different ways. Just because Michael is an entertainer at heart who is too easily pigeonholed as a 'pop' artist, whatever that means, wheras Prince plays, produces, conducts, arranges and whatever else does not make him any less worthy or credible an artist.

Whether ignorant fuckers like it or not, Michael has singlehandedly created some incredible pieces of ART in the last decade. He went thru hell and back in 93/94; the media and people he trusted tried to bury him for money and he came out the other side, walked into a recording studio alone and came out holding 'They Don't Care About Us', 'Childhood', 'Stranger In Moscow', 'Earthsong', and 'Little Susie'. Prince on the other hand, went thru some difficulties with Warner which cannot be compared to being accused of child molestation, and his answer was Emancipation. Yeah, it's a cool album, but u can hear that he's just trying so so very hard to write commercial hits and it's a bit embarassing with all the things he has said in interviews over the years, very hypoctitical. One minute he scoffs at Michael saying 'I hate videos, they're for kids', but as soon as his very livelyhood depends on the minimal airplay he can get for his albums on NPG Records, he's talking about how proud he is of 'Holy River' and 'The One' and 'Betcha By'. How ironic also that he has to supplment the album with classics by The Stylistics.

He also snapped at a guy for covering When Doves Cry recently although the song had been opened up to a whole new audience. But it seems it was OK for him to cover a song by Joan Osbourne only a few months old which was better than most of his own stuff.

More to the point, Emancipation betrayed Prince's creativity in a bit of a trough while being stretched over 3 discs. The Gold Exp, on the other hand, barely had enough room on the tape to contain all of the incredible sounds pouring from the man. Think how ironic that is, when he left Warner to do what he wanted.

Back to MJ, the point is, MJ's answer to years of abuse, stress, conspiracy, victimising and sheer hell, was to release some of the most brillaint, painfully honest, soul-baring music he could. Listen to the songs on the Blood remix album such as Is It Scary and Morphine. That is true creativity of the kind Prince showcases on The Truth, Gold and TRC. But please please please don't presume to call MJ the King of Pop when he is producing works of genius like Is It Scary while Prince is asking Gwen Stefani to give him a lift back into the charts on the dross that is So Far So Pleased and most of Rave.

Now I have a million and one criticisms of Michael Jackson, but as an informed fan of many years, they are very different criticisms to those of SammyDakid. Look at it this way. As 'in4med' hardcore Prince 'fams', we criticise him beacuse we paid $100 for one thing and got given another while recognising that his musical genius has been very much active for the past 18 months. The uninformed assume he has sunk without trace, hasn't released a song since 'Beautiful Girl' and maybe have an idea that he sells jazz on the internet. Now as an informed Michael Jackson fan, I criticise him for drawing corrupt leeches into his business life while I also understand that his latest album was a masterpiece deliberately destroyed by his record company. You, on the other hand, slag him off for baby-dangling and releasing a 'flop-album'. Comprendez-vous??

Some Prince fans are so friggin blind and hypocritical. They understand that the real Prince is so far removed from the media's view of him and that his music is as great as ever but are happy enough to swallow every last lie about a man who has been persecuted infinitely more than Prince.

For starting this thread with the title 'Wacko Jacko' I would actually like to batter your pig-ignorant face into the ground with a badger on the end of a spoon. Just how disgusting and moronic can people continue to be with regard to blind hate towards a man who has done nothing but tried to give music, escapism and LOVE to the world.

If all you know about MJ, his plastic surgery and the allegations made aginst him is the scraps on tv and in newspapers then it is the equivalent of reading Jonathan Margolis' latest review of 'His Purple Ponciness'forays into instrumentals and jazz' and taking it as godpel. Use your goddam brain and think about how friggin hypocritical that is.

I am sick of reading how crap Invincible supposedly was. First of all, for an album that took years to make, do u friggin think it's fair to dismiss it after a couple, maybe even just one listen?? Yes, it's a commercial 'pop' album but it has as much to do with Britney Spears as Noel Gallagher does with Motzart. Prince has tried to have commercial albums and tried to write hits. He has failed ever since 1994. It is embarrasing to listen to him on Discs one and two of Emancipation because all he wants is to have a hit. Remember the fisrt thing he said in that interview..."How many hits can you hear?". I'm sure he's embarassed he said that now, for more than one reason.

Then there's Rave. If u think for one second that 'Undisputed', Prince's answer to his critics, even comes close to the brilliance of MJ's 'Unbreakable, then you are truly delluding yourself. Opem your tiny mind and stop hating somebody you know less than nothing about.

Loads of Prince fans also jumped on the 'Bash MJ Bus' when he spoke out aginst Tommy Mottola last year. As far as you were concerned, MJ made a crap, flop of an album and publically blamed his record company. My blood is boiling just thinking about that. All i can say is Tommy Mottola has been forced to leave Sony, two years before his contract expires. You do the friggin maths.If you don't know anything about it, how can you make goddam judgements about what is going on? If u had paid Prince the same discortesy over his disputes with Warner, u wouldn't be here right now by definition.

I am 19 years old at Uni in England. I have an exam 2morrow. I should have been asleep an hour ago but because of one ignorant ^&*%&*^% "$%&*()(*, I have had to stay up and type this to keep myself sane. And I've barely scratched the surface in this disjointed, hastily typed rant.

Give Michael a goddam break. All he has evr evr done is sit in his 'corner' and try to create. He has never (until his album was destroyed), spoken out aginst anyone about anything. Think about that. He has had more SH*T thrown at him than any other celebrity ever and his response has been to make music, to sing and dance. That is a pretty amazing quality. Prince by comparison, has been a volatile, mean, angry and by his own admission, 'horrible' person at times.Nobody who has worked with Michael for any lenght of time has anything but very very nice things to say about him. There are enough people to talk about Prince's indiscretions and darker moments.

Let them do their own thing, don't compare their music and personalities. In their own way I think they respect and understand eachother by now so can we just do the same?

littleredcorvette1 said:

conclusion: prince is better than michale jackson