I can't figure out which one I'm diggin' the most ... I feel as if I'm cheating on Prince , bcuz I love The Neptunes just as much as I love my Prince music. The only thing I worry about is ... The Neptunes won't be around as much as they are now, we all know Prince will always be around , but I can't get the lingering thought off my mind what if Prince retires ? Then The Next Best thing is The Neptunes ... Anyways what if this was a real battle of the bands, who'd you think could win out of The Neptunes or Prince ?

This outta be fun .

the thing is, The Neptunes can make some pretty cool party athems, but in my opinnon they don't know how to make the slow jams like Prince do... but as far as musicianship goes, extra material and performance, it'll be around the same when they get to be as old as Prince ...

performance? I saw pharrell on some awards show and he couldn't really do vocals very well live...

I think the neptunes are studio bound/trapped unless they piggy back on a rapper like Jay-Z...

ufoclub said:

U are so right! I saw a live show in Amsterdam and it wasn't all that, i was very disappointed. False singing, not so good rapping, chaos on stage and just your average hip hop live sound, nothing special. Tho i like most of The Neptunes recordings, live it wasn't great to say the least, very average. Gimme good ol' Prince anyday!

loool...loool...loool

familygroove said:

errr i find this very strange. The Neptunes haven't played live - they are a production team. However N.E.R.D which is The Neptunes with another member, backed by a rock band (on their Startrax label), do play live.

They are TOTALLY different. N.E.R.D is a rap/rock/funk project. It's like saying you hate Prince cos you once saw Madhouse live.

how ridiculous

errr i find this very strange. The Neptunes haven't played live - they are a production team. However N.E.R.D which is The Neptunes with another member, backed by a rock band (on their Startrax label), do play live.

They are TOTALLY different. N.E.R.D is a rap/rock/funk project. It's like saying you hate Prince cos you once saw Madhouse live.[/quote]

what are we talking about then? because neptunes is just chad and pharell. neither of them are in a class anywhere near prince. their studio joints are hot. i'll give em that...but their capability to switch up is not. just about every hit they have had, you can find a duplicate or slightly reworked version.

spymob i believe is the group you are talking about that is on startrack. pretty good band, but there would still be no real battle. i like the idea of the neptunes having a signature style, but it is too much of the same. they shift occasionally, but if you were to listen to all the stuff they have done with jay-z, kelis, clipse, justin timberlake, twitney, snoop, busta, etc...it all begins to sound the same without much depth. especially lately.

what are we talking about then? because neptunes is just chad and pharell. neither of them are in a class anywhere near prince. their studio joints are hot. i'll give em that...but their capability to switch up is not. just about every hit they have had, you can find a duplicate or slightly reworked version.

spymob i believe is the group you are talking about that is on startrack. pretty good band, but there would still be no real battle. i like the idea of the neptunes having a signature style, but it is too much of the same. they shift occasionally, but if you were to listen to all the stuff they have done with jay-z, kelis, clipse, justin timberlake, twitney, snoop, busta, etc...it all begins to sound the same without much depth. especially lately.[/quote]



I'm talkin' About NERD ... ... I saw NERD Perform live b4 it was Awesome ! Of Course It never amount 2 the many performances of Prince, because Prince is just a bad mofo by himself, but in the all the same I would they are 4 this generation, what Prince was for the last Generation ... at least they know how 2 play insturments and they don't use samples Spymob sucked monkey balls, I couldn't wait until they got off the stage, I almost fail asleep while they where performing

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Flopsy. Flopsy, the magical dog
smells of piss, as big as a hog
farts all day, shits all night
He'll give you rabies with just one bite.

If Prince is an artist who can truly be compared 2 Hendrix, Miles, Sly, The Beatles or Bowie can N.E.R.D. be named in the same breath as these people.


Ridiculous comparison...end it now.

YODAHENDRIX said:

You're only sayin' that cuz these cats r young ... but I know good music when I hear it, they might not be Hendrix, but they can play this y i made the comparison

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DigitalLisa said:

Jeff Buckley was young and was an artist with the potential 4 much greatness as was Cobain,Otis Redding et al.

And what they made will last.
The Neps are not as musically adept. I watched a special on them on Mtv and Pharrell's piano playing was basic 2 say the very least.

Their productions are very samey and this is a fact that u already know.
They have written some good lil club tunes but nuthing and not one song can be uttered in the same breath as Rogers Nelson when he was at the top of his game.
The fact that the Neps are young has nuthin 2 do with it.

Musically they are inferior, Genre busting as Prince was they are not.
Conceptually there is no debate..they have no particular style and are not as courageous as Prince was at the same stage of his career, which actually would be Purple Rain.

So no there is no Prince vs Neptunes 4 even Prince at his most mediocre(New Power Soul) would trounce on them

YODAHENDRIX said:

So what ur sayin' nobody in 2days music can compete with Prince ?
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DigitalLisa said:

That is EXACTLY what I am sayin'.

No one 2day can be compared 2 the wonderfully fractured works of Prince at any level.
Especially his 1980-1989 work.

Not one person...

YODAHENDRIX said:

Well listen I understand where you're coming from, but you have to remember Prince back in his younger days when he wasn't always known as the serious muscian he is 2day. When Prince was in his commercial peak with 1999 and Purple Rain, he was always about party n'bringing out the club hits just like the neptunes do now and the thing about that is alot of Older Music lovers back then was probably sayin' the same thing you sayin' about the neptunes now ... it's funny how things change ...

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DigitalLisa said:

No DigitalLisa Prince was not only appealing to clubland back then, his music was more than just that.
No-one has ever been as diverse musically as him and been a major artisitc success.

He was a serious musician from when he first came out in 1978. When was he ever NOT considered a serious musician.
He was heralded as the new Stevie Wonder, now, how serious can u get.


He was not about the club hits specifically.

His music cannot be marginalised like that especially back then.

From a personal experience, My dad was a real musician, deep into his music and every time I would play Prince in my room on my radio, he would say “I don’t know why you listen to that garbage” and I would get so mad. That’s why I brought up this discussion, cuz you reminding me of the arguments I use to have with my dad . The thing is Prince may have distinguished himself as the serious musician and gets much respect around the music community, but it always like that , it only accumulated into that over these past semi 20 yrs. Back in the days , Prince did get regular air play on the radio and if you played Erotic City in the club, I grantee you everybody ass would be on the dance floor . If The Neptune’s keep up the good work, they can be the same. It’ll be hard but it can be the same. They’re already legends in my eyes. Next 10 yrs, my kids will be having’ the same argument about The Neptune’s would some new act
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DigitalLisa said:

These guys will not be seen as legends...no way.
I'm not saying Erotic city and the like weren't fonky DL, and people didnt step out 2 the dancefloor...but u are failing 2 understand the point.

The point is

The Neptunes...Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo will never be considered legends.
Comparisons can only be made if ure saying The Neptunes vs Timbaland or Jermain Dupri, these are guys on the same level, musically and culturally.

Timbaland is very good and arguably the greatest r n b producer of HIS day but would u consider comparing his efforts 2 PRINCE'S no surely not...

And with that reckoning the Neps also very good producers cannot be compared 2 an artist that can give u jazz, rock, funk, pop, disco, acoustic ballads, gospel, alternative, world music and so much more often on 1 record.

DL once again my dear, no comparison.lol

YODAHENDRIX said:

Listen ... They Worked with just about everybody in the business. Everybody from Jay-Z 2 No Doubt, in all different generes of music and even restablish some people music careers all 2gether. If you put 2gether all the hits they wrote 4 other people, it would be mad crazy. They change the music industy 4 this generation so much that people are copying thier style of music ... if you put Chad Hugo & Pharrell williams 2gether as one Person you will Have Prince .
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DigitalLisa said:

Babe...No U don't.

These so called artists are complete no-marks.

Jay z, clipse, nore, busta, Timberlake and whoever else u'd care 2 mention.
Don't delude ureself.
U could put them both 2gether in one body. Perm their hair, make a pair of size 6 high heeled boots, reunite all the members of the 1986 Parade Tour Revolution and the wonderful Lovesexy and SOTT band, they could do the splits whilst sliding off a baby grand piano and give oral pleasure 2 a mike stand and those guys STILL would not be Prince!
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Dammit ... I should've made this a Prince vs Andre300 thread...that's why u should always go with first intution.

DigitalLisa said:

Same rules would apply baby!!! lol

Doesn't matter who u'd get.

Seriously, all I hear are the new Jam/Lewis - pop Black producers - which is to their credit.

They are very of their time.

DigitalLisa said:

Erm, not really - it's a pretty dumb comparison, that's all it is.

SunDance said:

okay I guess you guys won't be happy unless I'm Comparing Prince 2 Jimi' ...

DigitalLisa said:

No rollin of the eyes...ure right.

Jimi, Bowie, Stevie, Sly, any of these guys will do.

Neps can't even look at that type o' company!

i think Pharrell is a talented young artist and will only get better as he gets older.there are other musicians out there, that can compete with Prince. Stevie Wonder is a GREAT MUSICIAN and can play just as many instuments as Prince can.I am a huge fan of Prince and have been from day one, but i can't say that he is the best out there, because i would be lying.

NME said:

Ok it was N*E*R*D, live at Paradiso A'dam Holland last year! I thought The Roots were better live when i saw
them last summer. N*E*R*D wasn't great live, like
most hiphop dudes, after 30 minutes u've heard it all,
boring.

But still good ol' Prince kicks easily all live hiphop asses, seriously haha.