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PrintableHAHAHA@! I just KNEW there ouwld be some controversy on this thread..I read the first threads when it was created and nothin happened and thought "hey..how odd"..sho nuff sho nuff give it a couple threads and booya!  "Climb in my fur." | |
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prince is one of the best "SONG WRITERS", "SINGERS", "PRODUCERs" and i think "Musicians" e'g Guitarist , he is so under-rated y cant ppl see he is so amazing at every thing he does, ok maybe he isn't the best in the world, but he should be getting cridet for his musical talant!!  Keenmeister |
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You're arguing a lot about black and white guitarists and I think is clear.
Eric Clapton is white but he sounds like a black guitarist, because jazz, blues or funk are supposed to be black music, and Eric Clapton plays blues. Heavy, for ex., or progressive rock are white music. But I'm sure there are lots and lots of black guitar players who play heavy. I see the point. Don't argue this silly thing. The question is that Prince can play all styles, but he sounds more personal and he plays better when he plays blues, funk, jazz... For ex., when he wants to play latin, he sounds exactly like Santana (e.g. The everlasting now). Let Danielbloom be. Daniel, you're right, the good points of Prince is that, unles he plays better "black music", he can mix up all, and creat something new. Isn't that "own style"? There are people who cannot see it (e.g. The Rolling Stones and all this M.F. "guitar religion believers"). | |
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andykeen said: prince is one of the best "SONG WRITERS", "SINGERS", "PRODUCERs" and i think "Musicians" e'g Guitarist , he is so under-rated y cant ppl see he is so amazing at every thing he does, ok maybe he isn't the best in the world, but he should be getting cridet for his musical talant!!
He is being credited. Or do you think all 6 billion humans should kneel down towards Minneapolis every morning and chant Prince songs?  "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany"  | |
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soulpower said: andykeen said: prince is one of the best "SONG WRITERS", "SINGERS", "PRODUCERs" and i think "Musicians" e'g Guitarist , he is so under-rated y cant ppl see he is so amazing at every thing he does, ok maybe he isn't the best in the world, but he should be getting cridet for his musical talant!!
He is being credited. Or do you think all 6 billion humans should kneel down towards Minneapolis every morning and chant Prince songs?   | |
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PFunkjazz said: danielboon said: OdysseyMiles said: funkbible said: This is one of the few areas where I still hold vast amounts of respect for Prince. When it comes to his guitar playing; he hasn`t allowed the JW-religious-pagen-mumbo-jumbo to interfere with how he plays. Prince must spends numerous hours a week in the studio honing his skills and exploring new ways become a better guitar player. Personally I feel that he has evolved into one of the best black (can I say that without offending anyone?) guitar players in the world! I still get chills when I listen to the 3 minute NPGMC guitar jam from Days of Wild. WHEW!!!
One of the best black guitarists?? I'm not offended my brother, just confused. I didn't realize being black had anything to do with anything. Prince is my favorite guitar player. I do believe his style of play has shown itself to be unique and the passion in that playing can't be denied. The solos in "Gold", Pink Cashmere", "The Rainbow Children" and "Empty Room" (live) are a few examples of that. We can't go putting guitar players in classes of black and white. Whenever Prince has shared the stage with Eric Clapton, Santana, Stevie Wonder or Sheryl Crow he's been completely in his element. Black or white, I put him up there with all the guys they rank atop those dumb lists in Rolling Stone and Guitar World simply for his contribution to the art. P.S. Talk to an actual JW before you go ranting about pagan mumbo jumbo. One MIGHT take offense to that  .come on guy's u kno wot was meant by "one o the best black guitarists" its well known most black music artists are soul singers etc most white music artists are rock singers etc thank god 4 prince and hendrix , they proving its just music not black or white...just music !
Heaven forbid you consider the entire range of jazz artists like MILES DAVIS, CHARLIE PARKER, CHARLIE MINGUS, THELONIOUS MONK, DIZZY GILLESPIE, WES MONTGOMERY, JOHN COLTRANE, HORACE SILVER etc, etc. Oh forget it. That music is way too BLACK for you!  hey, man,my cd collection includes miles davis,charlie parker,john coltrane,bb king,j l hooker,sonny boy williamson, lightnin hopkins,jimi hendrix,body count, and on and on and on !!! what i was trying 2 say was most peeps categorise everything and unfortuneatly white folks get hit with the "rock tag" and black folks get hit with the "soul r+b tag" i didnt say i agreed on this analyses cos i dont ! if u read my thread properly i said... "MUSICS NOT BLACK OR WHITE ITS JUST MUSIC" AND ALL WEEKEND I'M GONNA LISTEN 2...2pac,ice cube,public enemy,the disposeable hero's , outkast ,parliament , funkadelic,biggy, naughty by nature, jay z, xzibit ,50 cent , curtis mayfield, aint no music 2 black 4 me !!! | |
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You must be new here; you're too easy to fuck with.
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controversy ! | |
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PFunkjazz said: You must be new here; you're too easy to fuck with.
Don't sweat it; it's all good. shame , u had 2 turn casual comments in2 a race thread !now u turnin in2 a comedian ! and por ol danielboon was only tryin 2 help xplain a fellow orgers comments oh well u cant win em all ! race in the space i mark human ! [This message was edited Wed Nov 12 16:10:34 PST 2003 by danielboon] | |
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PFunkjazz said: You must be new here; you're too easy to fuck with.
Don't sweat it; it's all good. LOL "Climb in my fur." | |
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danielboon said: PFunkjazz said: You must be new here; you're too easy to fuck with.
Don't sweat it; it's all good. shame , u had 2 turn casual comments in2 a race thread ! when someone says "good black guitarist" etc u goddamn right someone is gonna turn it into a race thread...somewone damn well better! If u dont know why then oh fuckin well. "Climb in my fur." | |
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JavierAlcalde said: 3rd. Why is he underrated? Because he hasn't got his own style? FAALSE. The reason is because the "guitarplayer religion fans" only believe in guitarist who only plays guitar. I mean, all the albums by Eric Clapton, Santana, Satriani, Van Halen, etc. are guitar albums, and ALL THE SONGS have a guitar solo. Look for into Prince's discography. There isn't any album only for electric guitar, and all songs with incredible guitar solos. There albums where you can't find almost anything. If you wanted to record a Cd of guitar to a friend, you should make a selection from different albums. A while back at another job I had, one of my co-workers was doing a poll of best musicians broken down into instruments. One other person and myself were sticking Prince's name into a number of categories as our personal favorite, but the guy was whacked because he thought Prince didn't count for each of the categories and wanted to disqualify our choices because of it. One that particularly got to us was our choice of him for our favorite on bass guitar. Such narrow minded people...  NCC2012... your local Trekkie. =/\=
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rdhull said: danielboon said: PFunkjazz said: You must be new here; you're too easy to fuck with.
Don't sweat it; it's all good. shame , u had 2 turn casual comments in2 a race thread ! when someone says "good black guitarist" etc u goddamn right someone is gonna turn it into a race thread...somewone damn well better! If u dont know why then oh fuckin well. it wasnt me !!! rd , who made the comments i was tryin 2 cool it down !!!, remember my comments were... "its not black or white its just music" ! | |
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versatility is the key here, U really cannot define Price's style of play, I mean listen to albums like SOTT and the subtle technique in songs like Alphabet St, Then listen to TheGoldExperience and note the raw in-your-face heavy riffs. Totally different approach.
Also notice him when picks up a rythm guitar, Clean Intricte playing like U wouldn't believe! Especially when he played alongside Levi. I apreciate the many fine works of other legends known to us here, still, Prince is my favorite guitarist of all time... -"If U don't like,
what U see here -get the FUNK out." | |
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0rlando said: versatility is the key here, U really cannot define PRINCE'S style of play, I mean listen to albums like SOTT and the subtle technique in songs like Alphabet St, Then listen to TheGoldExperience and note the raw in-your-face heavy riffs. Totally different approach.
Also notice him when picks up a rythm guitar, Clean Intricte playing like U wouldn't believe! Especially when he played alongside Levi. I apreciate the many fine works of other legends known to us here, still, Prince is my favorite guitarist of all time... Never misspell a person's Name. -"If U don't like,
what U see here -get the FUNK out." | |
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danielboon said: rdhull said: danielboon said: PFunkjazz said: You must be new here; you're too easy to fuck with.
Don't sweat it; it's all good. shame , u had 2 turn casual comments in2 a race thread ! when someone says "good black guitarist" etc u goddamn right someone is gonna turn it into a race thread...somewone damn well better! If u dont know why then oh fuckin well. it wasnt me !!! rd , who made the comments i was tryin 2 cool it down !!!, remember my comments were... "its not black or white its just music" ! I know it wasn't you but I was just responding (because u mentioned it) that if there IS any race bullshit stated, then expect it to be taken to task. "Climb in my fur." | |
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danielboon said: PFunkjazz said: You must be new here; you're too easy to fuck with.
Don't sweat it; it's all good. shame , u had 2 turn casual comments in2 a race thread !now u turnin in2 a comedian ! and por ol danielboon was only tryin 2 help xplain a fellow orgers comments oh well u cant win em all ! race in the space i mark human ! [This message was edited Wed Nov 12 16:10:34 PST 2003 by danielboon] You can't pin that on me. That goes to the guy who said "black guitarists", then you're the one who tried to interpret him and assigned caste roles based on generaliazations of blacks being singers. Sure, I mentioned race but it was all very clearly sarcastic. I'm can'r belive that went past you. If I'm going to compare Prince as a guitarist, I am going to compare him to everybody in rock jazz, blues and funk. Go back to my first post about the magazine article. test | |
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PFunkjazz said: danielboon said: PFunkjazz said: You must be new here; you're too easy to fuck with.
Don't sweat it; it's all good. shame , u had 2 turn casual comments in2 a race thread !now u turnin in2 a comedian ! and por ol danielboon was only tryin 2 help xplain a fellow orgers comments oh well u cant win em all ! race in the space i mark human ! [This message was edited Wed Nov 12 16:10:34 PST 2003 by danielboon] You can't pin that on me. That goes to the guy who said "black guitarists", then you're the one who tried to interpret him and assigned caste roles based on generaliazations of blacks being singers. Sure, I mentioned race but it was all very clearly sarcastic. I'm can'r belive that went past you. If I'm going to compare Prince as a guitarist, I am going to compare him to everybody in rock jazz, blues and funk. Go back to my first post about the magazine article. danileboon...how do u plead? "Climb in my fur." | |
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 I just can't believe this thread turned into a black vs. white guitar players...How odd.There are no kings on this Earth, only Princes
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NWF said:[quote]Prince is such an amazing guitarist, and yet he truly is underrated, like so many other funk/rock guitarists. How often does Catfish Collins ever get recognized for his skills?
quote] Co-sign on that. Catfish is fantastic! 
To return to the subject: I think P is incredible and he has definitely developed into a unique lead player. The Rainbow Children and Xenophobia on the ONA live box demonstrate some very idiosyncratic note choices and unusual sounds and I love them! On a technique note: If I'm in a period where I practice a lot, I can play faster than I have heard Prince play. But I'd happily trade that speed for a fraction of the soul P puts into one or two notes. As for the black vs. white issue... I used to feel insecure as a white guitarist playing black music (blues, funk). Then I got to work with some very talented black musicians and to them my colour was no issue at all. That was a bit of an eye-opener to me. All that matters is the music and respect for each other. [This message was edited Thu Nov 13 1:12:54 PST 2003 by hectim] | |
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Didn't Slash play guitar on "Black or white"? Is he black or white?? LOL | |
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..but seriously folks.
I haven't noticed even a minor evolution in his guitar playing. | |
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Savannah said: ..but seriously folks.
I haven't noticed even a minor evolution in his guitar playing. Well, I have (hence my thread ). Is Prince's current guitar playing different to his style back 10-20 years ago? I would hope so!! And once again, his recent concert and studio recordings solos do establish as a fact that there is a difference![This message was edited Thu Nov 13 3:32:41 PST 2003 by DaFunkFreak] There are no kings on this Earth, only Princes
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cool, cool ,cool, but not guilty your honour !
this thread just got all mixed up and even backfired a couple o times ! | |
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danielboon said: cool, cool ,cool, but not guilty your honour !
this thread just got all mixed up and even backfired a couple o times ! You are perfectly right!! And I have to admit that I just love to argue. Being a lawyer doesn't help There are no kings on this Earth, only Princes
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He is unbelievable on it the Master second only 2 Jimi Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
Is this 2morrow or just the END of time? The Funk will always b with u "I've got a face, not just my race, Bang Bang I've got you babe!" | |
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DaFunkFreak said: Savannah said: ..but seriously folks.
I haven't noticed even a minor evolution in his guitar playing. Well, I have (hence my thread ). Is Prince's current guitar playing different to his style back 10-20 years ago? I would hope so!! And once again, his recent concert and studio recordings solos do establish as a fact that there is a difference!
[This message was edited Thu Nov 13 3:32:41 PST 2003 by DaFunkFreak] Prince plays better now than 10 years ago, but it's not only because of the sound effects (this is a part), it's because he has practised and studied a lot, this is the only way to improve. As I said, listen to Xpectation, he plays clean guitar on Xogenous and he sounds personal, cool... | |
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JavierAlcalde said: DaFunkFreak said: Savannah said: ..but seriously folks.
I haven't noticed even a minor evolution in his guitar playing. Well, I have (hence my thread ). Is Prince's current guitar playing different to his style back 10-20 years ago? I would hope so!! And once again, his recent concert and studio recordings solos do establish as a fact that there is a difference!
[This message was edited Thu Nov 13 3:32:41 PST 2003 by DaFunkFreak] Prince plays better now than 10 years ago, but it's not only because of the sound effects (this is a part), it's because he has practised and studied a lot, this is the only way to improve. As I said, listen to Xpectation, he plays clean guitar on Xogenous and he sounds personal, cool... Co-signed! There are no kings on this Earth, only Princes
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Ronny said: Who cares if someone is 'faster'. As a friend once said - he's not competing in the guitar olympics, he's a musician and is creating wonderful music.
In fact, these guys who play fast are really just boring. If you are impressed more by how fast someone plays, you're not a music fan. Sure, i'm impressed by these guys who play really fast but I'm similarly impressed when I watched a man balance a motorcyle on his chin with his arms folded (recently on tv!). I don't care what you say - we've all been disappoined and thrilled by his albums over the years, even his live shows, but I've always been impressed when he simply plays guitar~!  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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