klaatu said:

No they did not. I remember reading they "did some stuff on it, sent it back and never heard anything back" from him.

klaatu said:

Nope, they never received any tapes to work on, and they never received a request from Prince to work on it - he posted about it on L4OA, and that was it - Understandably, the first they heard about it was after the event from a fan who sent them a message about it through their then official site.

Romance1600 said:

Romance 1600 is right on all counts

LoL Same post as my W&L friend...
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theblueangel said:

I do not want to fit into that mold. (mould? whateva!)

I rather push some CHAOS & DISSORDER onto that theocratic NONSENSE.

because wendy&lisa ate princes fries.

Christopher said:

I owuld have fired, erm fried them too!

yeh

theres a limit to what you can do..and they crossed the line eating his fries i think ... those bad girl brothers.

theblueangel said:

Uh? Which lyrics are we talking about? I'm sure I read this thread. Somehow it was implied that the version of DM used in CB didn't feature W&L due to Prince's homophobia. What did I miss?!

klaatu said:

That was before he went JW.

Cloudbuster said:

before you went JW as well.. if remember correctly?

Christopher said:

Cloudbuster said:

Christopher said:

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Cloudbuster said:

Welcome to "the org", Christopher; only confused men wear loafers, are you confused? Huh?

they made a funny

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hey you

Christopher said:

Cloudbuster said:

theblueangel said:

Well I'm not convinced.

Why? Those sentences from the song are telegraphic sentences and not only gays are exposed to HIV. that leads me to think that the fruit of this seed cold be the potential virus we ALL have to fear.


Besides have a good day!!

Have a good day yourself, Klaatu!

And all the rest o' y'all too.

gooeythehamster said:

Dream Factory with W&L in a better version? I must have
missed something! I just listened to the version of Dream
Factory on Crystal Ball and the one on the original Dream
Factory album, and apart from the one on Dream Factory
being slightly edited length-wise they sound identical musically
to me (apart from the Crystal Ball version having perfect
sound quality obviously). I always used to asume it was
Wendy and Lisa doing the backing vocals on this track, but
if Prince says it was Susannah, then it must have been.

There's no big conspiracy as to why there's no tracks with
noticable Wendy and Lisa input on Crystal Ball. He was saving
that material for Roadhouse Garden, that's all. The title track
(Crystal Ball) is merely the version from the original Crystal
Ball album from 1987 rather than the shorter version (which
featured Wendy and Lisa) from Dream Factory.
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Why do Wendy and Lisa still matter? Why doesnt anyone recognize that Dr Fink, Dez Dickerson, and Andre Cymone contributed as more to the Mpls Sound?

Wendy and Lisa Quit. Yes Prince did say when it first happened that he fired them. But that was just a lie. And since then Prince has been very bitter. This is WHY HE NEVER WANTED THE DREAM FACTORY ALBUM TO SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY. And you never see anything with their name attached to it

In 2000 Prince called W&L and asked them if they wanted to play on VH1 Honors. They said yes, "Let's do an accustic version of Purple Rain, or another song." Prince said no let's just go on stage and jam something instrumental. They said they had no intrest in just jamming. And Prince never got back to them. Yes, Prince has since tried to talk to them, through song or hidden messages, but I think it's been so long and so many things were said, that we will never find out the truth.

Is the album Dream Factory / Crystal Ball a better album with the W&L mixes and flavor? Yes. W&L always enhanced Prince's music in a way only they could. Like it or not they brought things to Prince's music that not even Prince could.

chookalana said:

yeah, they quit before the parade tour, he got bobby to convince them to stay for the tour. Then he fired them. Yes, fired, let them go. They would've left regardless, but he did, in fact, fire them.

he may have been bitter in '87, but '89-now? doubt it. Especially since he's been o speaking terms with them since '89.
And he wasn't exactly bitter because they quit. He had already started to distance himself from them because he wanted to work alone again, like he had before they came along.
W&L quit for the same reason, they wanted to do their own thing. Wendy had also had enough because of the whole susannah thing.
The real reason why he was so bitter was because of Susannah. He didn't contact them for a good two years because of her. She found out he was cheating on her and she left him, that's why he was so bitter in '87. He's moved on, he had moved on way before the crystal ball set was released.


sort of true. He didn't want them to jam, he wanted them to do something flashy, can't remember exactly what it was, but it wasn't just jamming. And that "flashy" thing just wasn't their cup of tea.


As far as the homophobic theory goes, nope.
First of all, the "Crystal Ball" set was released wayyy before he became a JW.
As far as now goes, nope. True, he's a JW, but i know plently of JWs that aren't homophobic. Sure, they may not exactly agree with the lifestyle but they aren't prejudice against gays.
Prince is a very open-minded guy. I know people that know him, he's not like that. and, just because he's a JW doesn't mean he agrees with everything the religion stands for.
He's NOT homophobic.
And I find it very commical that "possessed" would be cited as a source of confirmation for ANYTHING.

And as far as why there's vertially no W&L on the "crystal ball" set, see borris' post.

okay, I'm done.

Wendy and Lisa are wonderful in their own right and were a vital part of the Revolution but 20 years is dulling the senses here.Prince's music became funkier after the Revolution.Hell the arguement can be made that Shiela E contributed more to Prince's music than Wendy and Lisa.

muleFunk said:

True. Just look at the bandmembers... Sheila has been the scout for quite a few of P's players...

Eddie M. who played on ATWIAD... and signaled the inauguration of horns back in P's arrangements

Bonnie Boyer, Sheila, Miko, Levi(?), Rhonda, Katt, Rad, Renato

Seems like playin with Sheila is an audition for P's bands. He seems to have a lot of trust for Sheila's instinct.

undulatingacrobat said:

Because that would be lying that's why.

muleFunk said:

The argument could be made but it would be wrong considering Sheila doesn't share any co-writing credits on any Prince albums and Wendy and Lisa do. When any other band member of Prince's is on the cover of Rolling Stone (before it became a MTV era piece of crap) then we'll talk.