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R. Kelly article...with Prince mention...hold on 2 ya hats folks....

That's Just Nasty
What's a little statutory rape between R. Kelly and his fans?
BY CRAIG D. LINDSEY
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By Joe Rocco





So when did R. Kelly become the perverted uncle of the R&B "family"?
For me, it certainly wasn't when the tape, um, leaked. I still haven't seen the tape, although everyone I know has, including my best friend, my mama and Bob Saget. In case you've been in an ice cave in Greenland for the past year or so, this would be the tape that allegedly shows Kelly partaking in sex and several golden showers with a fourteen-year-old girl. The tape that got Kelly indicted on 21 counts of child pornography. The tape that turned many rap-music bootleggers into kiddie-porn distributors. The tape that had everyone calling Kelly a pedophile. (Actually, the correct term would be ephebophile, since the technical term for adults who lust after teenagers is ephebophilia.) And it wasn't even when Kelly, as a precursor to the current chaos, caused an uproar when he married his then-teenaged protégée, the late Aaliyah, back in 1994.

Nope, it wasn't any of that. In my opinion, Kelly's pervert status was confirmed way, way back on his 1993 debut solo album, 12 Play, when he composed a track called "I Like the Crotch on You." A choppy dance number that found Kelly laying down his extreme desires (booties, mostly), "Crotch" had to be the first instance in which Kelly's fetishistic, somewhat disturbing sexuality managed to ooze out of his music. It also had to be the first time that many R. Kelly fans did a double take when they heard the song blare out of their speakers -- was this man really singing about crotches?

Prince notwithstanding, no contemporary black musician has constantly grappled with his dark side as publicly as R. Kelly.

Over the course of five solo albums, Kelly has consistently walked that oh-so-fine line between heartfelt poet and potential sex offender. On one song he's convincing a lover that he'll never leave her. On the next he's singing about feeling up said lover's booty. Turn on the adult-contemporary station and you'll hear R. Kelly singing an uplifting song about how he believes he can fly. Switch over to the R&B dial and you'll hear him singing an uplifting song about going "half on a baby." This Jekyll-and-Hyde ghetto-fabulousness has often worked in Kelly's favor, making him look like a sexually adventurous musical genius, the kind of guy who could compose a sweeping love ballad about the best piece of ass he's ever had -- in fact, he did, with "The Greatest Sex" on his album TP-2.com.

And because he shrouds his perversions in beauteous, often eloquent musical compositions, many audiences have chosen to ignore or overlook R. Kelly's freak within. As long as he makes choice booty-call music, they imply, who are we to complain? But as Dave Chappelle once noted, the signs of Kelly's predilections, his carnal implosion, were always there in his music. (In retrospect, "Crotch" did seem more like a cry for help than something to get your boogie on to.) Chappelle then launched into a video in which he masquerades as Kelly and performs a tune called "I Wanna Pee on You." Girls get doused with vats of urine, and Chappelle's Kelly declares that "the only thing that makes my life complete/Is when I turn your face into a toilet seat."

Although that takeoff -- or as the Brits would call it, piss-take -- was mercilessly, undoubtedly dead-on, there's a good chance Kelly's fan base didn't find it all that tickling. In a phenomenon similar to the O.J. Simpson case, it seems black audiences have gotten more supportive/protective of the man ever since the tape surfaced in the mailbox of Chicago Sun-Times pop critic Jim DeRogatis. Pundits and assorted outraged white folk have barely contained their disgust, but switch over to BET's Comic View any night of the week and watch as the audience moans with disapproval whenever a comic does a zinger about Kelly's predicament. When Chris Rock cracked on Kelly during this year's Video Music Awards -- Rock said Kelly had to sit "way up in the balcony" since the Olsen twins were seated on the ground floor -- black-radio DJs went on the airwaves the next day and declared Rock out of bounds. (Apparently they didn't have a problem with Rock's most moan-worthy line that night: that faded pop star-turned-American Idol judge Paula Abdul has about as much credibility judging singers as Christopher Reeve has judging a dance contest.)

But why have fans and audiences, many of whom have seen the notorious footage, remained loyal to Kelly? In a word, talent -- as a performer, and even more so as a songwriter-producer. There is no denying that Kelly has been the most lyrically stunning R&B songsmith of recent years, invoking the rhythmic passion of the '70s soul artists (Mayfield, Gaye, Pendergrass) who obviously inspired him. (Kelly has worked with Ron Isley of the Isley Brothers quite extensively.) Kelly makes captivating tunes like no one else does, turning kitchen-sink dramas into five-minute songs the way Douglas Sirk used to lay them out in two-hour movies.

And audiences have lapped it up. People don't want him to change a thing. One female fan voiced her hope that Kelly wouldn't get all spiritual, à la Al Green, and turn his back on the sinful, secular music that made him a star. Agreed, it does seem like a cop-out when celebrity heathens stop backsliding and suddenly find Jesus. But her take on the situation appeared more troubling, because it sounded like she was in denial about Kelly's kinky demons. Like most fans -- especially females -- she was willing to give Kelly a pass as long as the "sensitive superfreak" persona stayed intact. It's discouraging -- even the most intense R. Kelly fan has to worry if the man has serious, harmful problems.

And even the most intense R. Kelly fan also has to wonder about his appetite for self-destruction. "Osama bin Laden is the only one who knows what I'm going through," Kelly actually said in a recent interview in Blender. No, really. For the record: Osama bin Laden is responsible for the most horrific terrorist attack in American history. R. Kelly allegedly pissed on a kid on tape. Can't really compare the two, can ya? If anything, he has more in common with Bill Clinton; like Clinton, Kelly appears to take masochistic joy in nearly destroying his image -- all for kinky sex.

But all of that is moot now. All that matters now is that Kelly is back with his "best of" collection, The R in R&B, with more albums on the way. But no matter how much you may get into his jams, no matter how much you may groove to "Bump n' Grind" or "Sex Me" or that damn song he did for Batman & Robin, this question has to burn in the back of your mind: Did this muthafucka really pee on a fourteen-year-old girl on camera?

You can't really enjoy looking at anybody's crotch when something like that has seeped into your cranium.
June 19's Pop Culture Commentary - Beyonce'
- "Besides as much as I love her...she's still a 2 piece, biscuit, hot pepper and strawberry soda away from blowin up... So yes...she's a plain jane like the rest of us..."
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Reply #1 posted 11/07/03 2:36pm

Anxiety

"Crotch" has to be one of the least sexy words in the english language.
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Reply #2 posted 11/07/03 2:41pm

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Anxiety said:

"Crotch" has to be one of the least sexy words in the english language.



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Reply #3 posted 11/07/03 8:59pm

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Certainly, I can relate. What do you do when an artist, who's work and talent you genuinely respect, even love- does something so horrid and disgusting? The music isn't going to go away. A good song (if you indeed think this music is good) is still a good song. It's a tough situation for a fan of an artist's music.
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Reply #4 posted 11/07/03 9:12pm

Nikster

Vashti said:

Anxiety said:

"Crotch" has to be one of the least sexy words in the english language.



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Don't forget 'cunt'...that's another winner disbelief
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Reply #5 posted 11/07/03 9:12pm

rdhull

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mistermaax is creaming his r kelly jeans at this moment
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #6 posted 11/07/03 9:22pm

Sdldawn

okay.. so Im really wonderin why I actually clicked on a thread that said R Kelly in it...



nasty punk.. that about as nice as it gets.. I thought about callin him what I really think, but it would probably be snipped
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Reply #7 posted 11/07/03 9:31pm

TonyC

I've seen that video (or clips of it at least) and that definitely was NOT a child he was having sex with. It could have been a 14 or 15 year old, but it sure looked like a woman to me, despite some artbitrary legal classification.
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Reply #8 posted 11/08/03 12:22am

JohnnyTheFox

jtgillia said:

Certainly, I can relate. What do you do when an artist, who's work and talent you genuinely respect, even love- does something so horrid and disgusting? The music isn't going to go away. A good song (if you indeed think this music is good) is still a good song. It's a tough situation for a fan of an artist's music.



No it's not a tough situation. Love the music, hate what the person did - or, in Kelly's case, allegedly did. When's he going on trial anyway?
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Reply #9 posted 11/09/03 9:56am

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TonyC said:

I've seen that video (or clips of it at least) and that definitely was NOT a child he was having sex with. It could have been a 14 or 15 year old, but it sure looked like a woman to me, despite some artbitrary legal classification.

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There are two tapes. One with a grown woman who is now suing R Kelly because she did not give her permission to be taped and one with the child.

I just do not understand how R Kelly is a musical genius.
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Reply #10 posted 11/09/03 10:08am

Revolution

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laurarichardson said:

TonyC said:

I've seen that video (or clips of it at least) and that definitely was NOT a child he was having sex with. It could have been a 14 or 15 year old, but it sure looked like a woman to me, despite some artbitrary legal classification.

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There are two tapes. One with a grown woman who is now suing R Kelly because she did not give her permission to be taped and one with the child.

I just do not understand how R Kelly is a musical genius.


I love his music, but i don't consider him a musical "genius". Does he play any instruments?
He's got a great ear for a hook, and has a very nice
(not great) voice. I wish he would expand his
music to include some FUNK, it seems to me all he does
is slow jams..."Fiesta" the remix is the only exception
that i can think of.
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #11 posted 11/09/03 1:43pm

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For somebody so hyped this guy has the most underwhelming
music I've ever heard. "Step In The Name Of Love"???
GTFOOHWTS!!!
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #12 posted 11/10/03 5:47am

DavidEye

Supernova said:

For somebody so hyped this guy has the most underwhelming
music I've ever heard. "Step In The Name Of Love"???
GTFOOHWTS!!!



Actually,that's one of the few songs by him that I can tolerate...lol...the video is cool too
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Reply #13 posted 11/11/03 7:01pm

Chico

Revolution said:


I love his music, but i don't consider him a musical "genius". Does he play any instruments?
He's got a great ear for a hook, and has a very nice
(not great) voice. I wish he would expand his
music to include some FUNK, it seems to me all he does
is slow jams..."Fiesta" the remix is the only exception
that i can think of.



R.Kelly is the current lineal world heavyweight champion of R&B.

He's like the Lennox Lewis of R&B.

Prince is like the Muhammad Ali of R&B. But that's not really a great analogy, because Prince ain't thru yet.
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