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Reply #30 posted 11/09/03 2:37pm

PrimordialOoze

lovebizzare said:

I dont think prince has any idea how umm..."enthusiastic" these people are. I know people that know him, I've met and talked with him a few times myself, he isn't that stuck on himself, and he isn't that crazy.
He probably has no idea what goes on there. He probably has the naive assumption that everything is just flowers and candy there; everyone gets along, the moderators are spreading his idea of Love4oneanother.
those words would not come out of his mouth, trust me.


Since it would sadden me to think Prince has gone that far off the deep end, and since you've had more chance than I to directly interact with Prince himself and form an opinion of his attitudes, I'll trust your thoughts on this.

It's too bad though that he doesn't realize what kind of folks he's hiring. They and their actions are not reflecting well on their boss nor the NPGMC, imo.
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Reply #31 posted 11/09/03 2:38pm

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That's fucked up! but remember these aren't Prince's words, just a nutty wierdo's on the npgmc.
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Reply #32 posted 11/09/03 2:40pm

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Marrk said:

That's fucked up! but remember these aren't Prince's words, just a nutty wierdo's on the npgmc.

Yeah but they are representing him...it's his official club and he is ultimately responsible for what goes on there.
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Reply #33 posted 11/09/03 2:43pm

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Many people have come 2 a better understanding about themselves and the world around them, thanx 2 The Rainbow Children. Whereas some seek 2 focus on the controversy it caused, others find it 2 b a mutlti-layered kaledioscope of emotion, capable of invoking one 2 seek a better understanding of the God that created us in his image. Those UNinterested in such matters will find the world in the coming years 2 b a very hard place 2 dwell in.

isnt he just saying here that TRC has helped people understand god more, im sure fans do go up to prince and say that sort of stuff. plus alot of people do need faith and without it may find the world a very hard place to dwell in!


Speculating on Prince's past mindset OR future endeavors has proved 2 b
folly 1 : lack of good sense or normal prudence and foresight

ok!i dont really get this, is this about prince though, that was my first thought. its not good speculating about princes old mind because of a lack of good sense or foresight! however, even as i type this i shake my head at the thought of something like this on the npgmc!


2 a : criminally or tragically foolish actions or conduct b : obsolete : EVIL, WICKEDNESS; especially : lewd behavior

i thought this was about prince though, obsolete, ie prince of old is nothing to do mentally with prince of new, especially his lewd behaviour!

3 : a foolish act or idea ...4 the best of writers. Dylan, Prince or Mr. Greenjeans:

dont know about this, can you post your original quote on though? who is mr greenjeans?


its the same thing I wrote here about Bob Dlan and Prince
http://www.prince.org/msg/7/68591


ps dont think im an obsessive nut who defends everything he does, those were literally my first thoughts when reading it!

I know, no worries.
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Reply #34 posted 11/09/03 2:44pm

rdhull

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PrimordialOoze said:

lovebizzare said:

I dont think prince has any idea how umm..."enthusiastic" these people are. I know people that know him, I've met and talked with him a few times myself, he isn't that stuck on himself, and he isn't that crazy.
He probably has no idea what goes on there. He probably has the naive assumption that everything is just flowers and candy there; everyone gets along, the moderators are spreading his idea of Love4oneanother.
those words would not come out of his mouth, trust me.


Since it would sadden me to think Prince has gone that far off the deep end, and since you've had more chance than I to directly interact with Prince himself and form an opinion of his attitudes, I'll trust your thoughts on this.

It's too bad though that he doesn't realize what kind of folks he's hiring. They and their actions are not reflecting well on their boss nor the NPGMC, imo.
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Reply #35 posted 11/09/03 2:45pm

rdhull

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lovebizzare said:

rdhull said:

Sdldawn said:

does anyone still go to that site ? confuse

That discussion board is only for the hardcore.. I mean true hardcore..

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I consider myself hardcore.

yeah..but you're a sane hardcore


well that's to be determined hehe..who goes around asking for namecheks? lol
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Reply #36 posted 11/09/03 2:46pm

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lovebizzare said:

PrimordialOoze said:

Prince says he doesn't want to be idolized or worshipped, yet he hires these people that act as though he's their personal Lord and Savior.

I dont think prince has any idea how umm..."enthusiastic" these people are. I know people that know him, I've met and talked with him a few times myself, he isn't that stuck on himself, and he isn't that crazy.
He probably has no idea what goes on there. He probably has the naive assumption that everything is just flowers and candy there; everyone gets along, the moderators are spreading his idea of Love4oneanother.
those words would not come out of his mouth, trust me.




Uhm...yes and no...
June 19's Pop Culture Commentary - Beyonce'
- "Besides as much as I love her...she's still a 2 piece, biscuit, hot pepper and strawberry soda away from blowin up... So yes...she's a plain jane like the rest of us..."
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Reply #37 posted 11/09/03 2:48pm

lovebizzare

rdhull said:

lovebizzare said:

rdhull said:

Sdldawn said:

does anyone still go to that site ? confuse

That discussion board is only for the hardcore.. I mean true hardcore..

..


I consider myself hardcore.

yeah..but you're a sane hardcore


well that's to be determined hehe..who goes around asking for namecheks? lol

OMG...you were serious about those? eek
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Reply #38 posted 11/09/03 2:49pm

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lovebizzare said:

rdhull said:

lovebizzare said:

rdhull said:

Sdldawn said:

does anyone still go to that site ? confuse

That discussion board is only for the hardcore.. I mean true hardcore..

..


I consider myself hardcore.

yeah..but you're a sane hardcore


well that's to be determined hehe..who goes around asking for namecheks? lol

OMG...you were serious about those? eek


Yes lol. Don't u want a namecheck?
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Reply #39 posted 11/09/03 2:51pm

lovebizzare

rdhull said:

lovebizzare said:

rdhull said:

lovebizzare said:

rdhull said:

Sdldawn said:

does anyone still go to that site ? confuse

That discussion board is only for the hardcore.. I mean true hardcore..

..


I consider myself hardcore.

yeah..but you're a sane hardcore


well that's to be determined hehe..who goes around asking for namecheks? lol

OMG...you were serious about those? eek


Yes lol. Don't u want a namecheck?

umm..not really lol
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Reply #40 posted 11/09/03 2:52pm

BlackandRising

rdhull said:

Only talk about how great his hairstyole is etc.
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"u obviously r a fan so we will assume that ur post was meant 2 uplift and not xacerbate an old, tired beef with TRC.

Many people have come 2 a better understanding about themselves and the world around them, thanx 2 The Rainbow Children. Whereas some seek 2 focus on the controversy it caused, others find it 2 b a mutlti-layered kaledioscope of emotion, capable of invoking one 2 seek a better understanding of the God that created us in his image. Those UNinterested in such matters will find the world in the coming years 2 b a very hard place 2 dwell in.

Speculating on Prince's past mindset OR future endeavors has proved 2 b
folly 1 : lack of good sense or normal prudence and foresight
2 a : criminally or tragically foolish actions or conduct b : obsolete : EVIL, WICKEDNESS; especially : lewd behavior
3 : a foolish act or idea ...4 the best of writers. Dylan, Prince or Mr. Greenjeans: "Letamanbaman"- Love4oneanother"



Reading this again, especially this passage...
"u obviously r a fan so we will assume that ur post was meant 2 uplift and not xacerbate an old, tired beef with TRC."
makes me want fo find out who the mods are and BEAT THEM DOWN. First, to vent, and second, to beat some sense into someone that has obviously given up his/her free will. Old, tired beef?? Those are fighting words, for real. It's like someone being condescending and shaking their finger at you for making in their opinion a dumb-ass remark about something. RD is right...Prince is ultimately responsible for this bullshit, even if those words didn't come from him.
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Reply #41 posted 11/09/03 2:59pm

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Reply #42 posted 11/09/03 3:00pm

rdhull

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bananacologne said:


what dat is?
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Reply #43 posted 11/09/03 3:04pm

bananacologne

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Reply #44 posted 11/09/03 3:07pm

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rdhull said:

bananacologne said:


what dat is?

kool-aid's cheaper cousin? eek
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Reply #45 posted 11/09/03 3:08pm

SnowQueen

BlackandRising said:

RD is right...Prince is ultimately responsible for this bullshit, even if those words didn't come from him.


I agree. And while I know lovebizarre said above that she doesn't think Prince is aware of the bullsh*t that's going on over at the club, and while I am not disrespecting her opinions or their validity (I hope she is right in fact), it's still very hard for me to understand how Prince, who is such a control freak in basically every other aspect of his life, isn't aware of what these people are saying and doing, in HIS name, on HIS own music club website.

Why would he *choose* to remain in the dark about what goes on there and just allow them free reign? I don't understand. He's never been that way anywhere else in his professional life, and he is savvy and narcissistic enough to realize that if his name is attached to something, that HE"S the one who it's going to ultimately reflect back upon. The club is part of his professional image..why would he consciously choose to disregard how said club may affect his image and just let them do what they want??

I would just be very interested to know why he'd make the choice to distance himself from his own club website to the point where he actually has no clue or idea what is happening there. And if that is the case, it's very strange and unlike his normal control-freak, image-aware personality.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 9 15:09:42 PST 2003 by SnowQueen]
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Reply #46 posted 11/09/03 3:12pm

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funkbible said:

SOMEONE PLEASE KIDNAP PRINCE FROM LARRY GRAHAM AND THE JW`s!!!


I thought the Family Jam was really a big intervention in disguise. That's why they invited him. biggrin
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Reply #47 posted 11/09/03 3:13pm

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funkbible said:

Maybe someone should fire this Email off to the MN branch of the B.B.B. again. I mean come on; how is someone supposed to understand this purple-mumbo-jumbo??? This is the garbage that they sendout. SOMEONE PLEASE KIDNAP PRINCE FROM LARRY GRAHAM AND THE JW`s!!!
I thought the Family Jam was really a big intervention in disguise. That's why they invited him. biggrin

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Reply #48 posted 11/09/03 3:17pm

lovebizzare

SnowQueen said:

BlackandRising said:

RD is right...Prince is ultimately responsible for this bullshit, even if those words didn't come from him.


I agree. And while I know lovebizarre said above that she doesn't think Prince is aware of the bullsh*t that's going on over at the club, and while I am not disrespecting her opinions or their validity (I hope she is right in fact), it's still very hard for me to understand how Prince, who is such a control freak in basically every other aspect of his life, isn't aware of what these people are saying and doing, in HIS name, on HIS own music club website.

Why would he *choose* to remain in the dark about what goes on there and just allow them free reign? I don't understand. He's never been that way anywhere else in his professional life, and he is savvy and narcissistic enough to realize that if his name is attached to something, that HE"S the one who it's going to ultimately reflect back upon. The club is part of his professional image..why would he consciously choose to disregard how said club may affect his image and just let them do what they want??

I would just be very interested to know why he'd make the choice to distance himself from his own club website to the point where he actually has no clue or idea what is happening there. And if that is the case, it's very strange and unlike his normal control-freak, image-aware personality.
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hmm oh well, see what happens when I try to figure out prince? lol
Maybe he is aware of what's going on and has done a complete 360 of what I've been told he believes...that's quite possible, now that I think of it.
All I know is that while he does agree with the general gist of that message the moderrator posted ("let the past be the past, let's talk about future projects, ect."), he would never talk just be flat out rude like that message is and he would never hold "the rainbiw children" is such god-like esteem
i mean, sure, of course he loves it, it's his album, but that message talks about it like it's the bibleor something
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Reply #49 posted 11/09/03 3:26pm

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I admit I drank the purple kool aid and am not ashamed of it...I will probably drink some more until I quit this stupid addiction...and yeah its a place for folks to clown me and say "haha! see told ya! "..but I will still praise the music etc... I praised in his home-sanctuary and got clwoned by its owners etc..ironic aint it? I feel Ive been one of the ones who have had his back for years etc hence the namecheck demand lol...but..I never said I had no beef with some of Princes tatics and endeavors over the years..Ive only stated things from as an objective view as I could..Ive clowned prettyman many many times..I feel 50-50 split on good points and bad points... and even with this seemingly final act of spitting in my face by them, I may still not lose my inspiration his music gives me and write about it...its just discouraging, which was my point as I am beginning despise elemts of his nature now. I am NOT discouraged at my objectivity and all that entailed. Aint no shame in my game because I did and do what I say and write from somewhere where I feel stands for some integrity as with all things I do, even outside of Princes purple sickness. So yes I drank it and I am proud to show u the kool-aid stain above my lip..burp!..but that does nto mean I wont stil be objective and inspired and still clown him if need be. I like mine with lots of sugar.
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Reply #50 posted 11/09/03 3:30pm

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Contradiction



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June 19's Pop Culture Commentary - Beyonce'
- "Besides as much as I love her...she's still a 2 piece, biscuit, hot pepper and strawberry soda away from blowin up... So yes...she's a plain jane like the rest of us..."
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Reply #51 posted 11/09/03 3:30pm

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And part of it is yes, my own semi-narcissim in trying to write a serious piece on him and getting slapped by them yes. I mean damn..at least people are trying to write about him from a fan perspective or whatever..even though many see him as irrelevant so yeah some of this is my own inner shit of being disrepsected when all I wanted to do was do some interesting purple shit...Im man enough to admit it.
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Reply #52 posted 11/09/03 3:30pm

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PrimordialOoze said:

rdhull said:

Speculating on Prince's past mindset OR future endeavors has proved 2 b
folly 1 : lack of good sense or normal prudence and foresight
2 a : criminally or tragically foolish actions or conduct b : obsolete : EVIL, WICKEDNESS; especially : lewd behavior
3 : a foolish act or idea ...4 the best of writers. Dylan, Prince or Mr. Greenjeans: "Letamanbaman"- Love4oneanother"[/b]


confuse

WTF is that gobbledygook supposed to mean? I reread it at least 5 times and still don't understand what thought or idea it's attempting to communicate. I must not be enlightened enough to comprehend their true meaning I guess because I'm so wicked and EEEVIL.



Those NPGMC mods must get into the holy wine when Prince isn't looking and then go post these incomprehensible messages.

The NPGMC 'music club' is turning into more of a joke every day. I'm waiting for the post announcing that Prince and the NPGMC are looking for a group of "true believers" (FAMS) to all move into a commune together where they will live in harmony and LOVE4ONEANOTHER, and the sad thing is there will be a bunch of em that would do it.



Wow, they must be some REAL queeros!
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Reply #53 posted 11/09/03 3:33pm

psykosoul

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I admit I drank the purple kool aid and am not ashamed of it...I will probably drink some more until I quit this stupid addiction...and yeah its a place for folks to clown me and say "haha! see told ya! "..but I will still praise the music etc...


This why you gotta love rdhull. A man who admits to drinking the purple kool-aid and ain't ashamed of it yet can still keep his objective views. If every orger could be like you sigh
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Reply #54 posted 11/09/03 3:40pm

katt

I promised not to post again but hey I’m breaking it as i see a total injustice.
RDhull good post by the way, nothing offensive in it. hug

ok i am gonna say something, freedom of speech for all, but to chastise someone like a naughty child is terrible, also 2 state all non believers r gonna find it difficult 4 them, whoever said this get ur head back in the bible and read it as one u got it wrong (all will be given a second chance) and two , love one another this is the first command.

Love all, respect all, understand, all and tolerate.

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Peace
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Reply #55 posted 11/09/03 3:45pm

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some dope at the

npgmc said:

Speculating on Prince's past mindset OR future endeavors has proved 2 b
folly 1 : lack of good sense or normal prudence and foresight
2 a : criminally or tragically foolish actions or conduct b : obsolete : EVIL, WICKEDNESS; especially : lewd behavior
3 : a foolish act or idea[/b]

Dramatic much?
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #56 posted 11/09/03 3:47pm

psykosoul

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Only talk about how great his hairstyole is etc.
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"u obviously r a fan so we will assume that ur post was meant 2 uplift and not xacerbate an old, tired beef with TRC.

Many people have come 2 a better understanding about themselves and the world around them, thanx 2 The Rainbow Children. Whereas some seek 2 focus on the controversy it caused, others find it 2 b a mutlti-layered kaledioscope of emotion, capable of invoking one 2 seek a better understanding of the God that created us in his image. Those UNinterested in such matters will find the world in the coming years 2 b a very hard place 2 dwell in.

Speculating on Prince's past mindset OR future endeavors has proved 2 b
folly 1 : lack of good sense or normal prudence and foresight
2 a : criminally or tragically foolish actions or conduct b : obsolete : EVIL, WICKEDNESS; especially : lewd behavior
3 : a foolish act or idea ...4 the best of writers. Dylan, Prince or Mr. Greenjeans: "Letamanbaman"- Love4oneanother"



Now rd, go back to NPGMC and tell them a la Prince to Mary Sharon

"You were up all night rehearsing that weren't you?"
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Reply #57 posted 11/09/03 3:52pm

Sdldawn

" Whereas some seek 2 focus on the controversy it caused," (TRC)




falloff who said this? What controversy did it actually cause... lol

honestly.. I dont think anyone cared.. lol
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Reply #58 posted 11/09/03 3:53pm

Sdldawn

3 : a foolish act or idea ...4 the best of writers. Dylan, Prince or Mr. Greenjeans: "Letamanbaman"- Love4oneanother"[/b][/quote]


Dylan... why give this man so much credit? Yes, writing style is beautiful.. but damn, he couldnt sing a lick, and I wont credit him so much for having the nuts to sound like he did. disbelief
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Reply #59 posted 11/09/03 3:58pm

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" Whereas some seek 2 focus on the controversy it caused," (TRC)




falloff who said this? What controversy did it actually cause... lol

honestly.. I dont think anyone cared.. lol

As Ive always stated, I think it did cause a controversy..it is his most controversial album, forget Contorversy. TRC was the cd that split his fans in half..the what is seen as overt religion on the disc among other things (Family Name) etc, caused the biggest uproar within his fans at least since the eighties with ATWIAD and PR leaving his funk fans behind..even more controversial than NewPiowerSoul release.

but! with that being said, PRINCE AND COMPANY ARE THE ONES WHO MARKETED TRC AS "CONTROVERSIAL NEW CD" ETC!!!...h.p.o.c.r.i.t.i.c.a.l!!!...and what I wrote did not just focus on the contorversy as I was accused of..I wrote talking about the controversy but also from an artistic perpsective and how his other releases differed from anything else he had ever done..they only focused on some "not there" negative stance that I NEVER took.
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