soulpower said:

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Can you put a sock in it already!!. The question was who is more prolific than Prince. Obviously there are a lot of artist who more prolific than Prince. One reason for this is because they are older and been creating music longer than Prince. I would say that Prince has got to be in the top 20 and maybe the top five in RnB music since most RnB artist do not get the opportunity to be prolific.

If you think most of the 80's side projects are crap fine that is your opinion. I really must question your taste if you think the Time and Madhouse projects were crap.
The question was not about the quality it was about the quantity. Do not knock Prince's work ethic know matter how much you want to player hate.

soulpower said:

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Mandrill is mainly a funk band. They do not have the diversity of styles in their music and the singing is really hard on the ears.

laurarichardson said:

Thats like saying "Duke Ellington didnt really do anything for Jazz".

Name me one, only one band in the R&B field which was more diverse than Mandrill. Just one.

laurarichardson said:

In case you didnt notice, this dicussion has moved on from its original question. Thats what happens on message boards. They are kinda like... umm.. living.

I have never dissed The Time. I think they are a great 80s funk band, although Funk was kinda getting watery at that time. And they still sound to great.

But I dont know of ANY serious jazz fan who was too impressed with Madhouse. It was a cool little project, but not really worth mentioning in the context of Duke Ellington or Miles Davis.

Gosh, the die hard fans need to get real here and listen to a little bit more music other than Prince before they drop the names of the masters like the US drops bombs on Iraq.

soulpower said:

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You said the 80's side project were crap. Well the Time was an 80's side project.
Do you think the Madhouse records were made for Duke and Miles fans ? Of course not they are not Jazz recordings.
They are just really good funk records.

You see people like you think all music has to change the world. It does not. Sometimes it can just be good music that people want to listen to. You do not have to analyze it. You can just enjoy it.

Please stop assuming that all Prince fans are ignorant of other artist. I own over a 1000 cds and they are not all Prince bootlegs.

Now you can move on and start a long and boring thread about Soulpower being the all knowing music god. Get a grip!!

soulpower said:

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I have Mandrill cds they are not the fucking be all that you are making them out to be.

jtgillia said:

Can you put a sock in it already!!. The question was who is more prolific than Prince. Obviously there are a lot of artist who more prolific than Prince. One reason for this is because they are older and been creating music longer than Prince. I would say that Prince has got to be in the top 20 and maybe the top five in RnB music since most RnB artist do not get the opportunity to be prolific.



there is a difference between prolific and amount though. if you were alive a million year and put out 100 albums thats not more prolific than someone who has put out 10 albums in 20 years. its like a ratio yeah? prince is on 26 in 25 etc etc. i dont know what other artists are like for being prolific, but do people count stuff like the downloads as one album? cos there was enough really there wasnt there?

tricky99 said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

One criticsm of MANDRILL that holds true to this day is maybe they were too diverse. They were one of the earliest exponents of a fully-contained black funk band with a leading rock guitar (as opposed to JB, where lots of rhythm licks were played, or MOTOWN's FUNK BROS, where multiple leads were layered in the mix). Being of Panamamian origins they also brought forth the percussive and horn flavors of Latin jazz in a period before Santana, FUNKADELIC or EWF were formed. The Wilson Bros have acknowledged that unlike these bands they failed to find the commercial center of that sound with a big hit single and may have languished into near-obscurity.

It should also be noted that the band's records and tours were scarificed so that elder brother and saxist Ric Wilson could complete his residency at UCLA as a cardiologist. The establishment of his practice ran concurrent with their POLYDOR and ARISTA contracts. DR. Wilson is now in semi-retirement and the band has become more active, doing one-off tours as of late. I've seen them 3 times in the LA area in the past 3 years and they really sound great!

I don't know if he is necessarily more prolific than Prince, but Roy Ayers has a considerable amount of unreleased material from the 70's and 80's. He is planning to release some of it in the upcoming year. I have heard a few of the tracks, and they are brilliant.

laurarichardson said:

Maybe you should actually LISTEN to them.

You may not like what they are doing. But their innovation, influence and diversity is well known in the music world and cant be argued against.

Ryan Adams!
Here,s a guy with too much music goin on! Lets hope quality control slows him down or else he's heading down the same route commercially as Mr P!

I just don't get it, people are always trying to compare things that one person does, verse what a group does. If I didn't have to play the drums on a song maybe I could of wrote another song or, if I didn't play every instrument on a entire album maybe I could've wrote another song. I don't know how many things that the other artists contributed to the production of their songs, but do U think if they did the same work as him, that they would have the (TIME) to right so many songs.

soulpower said:

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I just have the CD sitting at home for the sake of apperances. I need you to tell me to listen to them.

I do listen to them I just do not think they are the greatest band in the world. The rest of the music buying public may agree with me since they stopped selling records around 1973 and only had a good two year run.

I am not saying they are not innovated and I am not saying they were not an influence. However the only diversity is the shift from latin, rock and funk grooves. There are a lot of other styles of music that are not covered by Mandrill.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

So,record sales DO matter?

DavidEye said:

They do matter to some people when they help you to make a case against the creative impact of a group.

soulpower said:

Good point! I notice that many people always say that "record sales don't matter" when it comes to artists that they LIKE,but when it comes to an artist that they dislike,suddenly record sales DO matter,especially when they're trying to prove that somebody else's popularity is fading.

DavidEye said:

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I never said record sales do not matter. As far as record sales are concerned it matters in that if the music has been marketed correctly and people still do not buy the record. There could actually be something wrong with the music.
It is real strange how when Prince claims that WB did not know how to market him after Purple Rain and blames them for his low record sales people on this board say it is bullcrap. However, the same excuse can be used for an obsure funk band like Mandrill and it is the gospel truth.
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The singing on the Mandrill cd sucks and I think that had a lot to do with their low sales. I know old funk heads who only know "FenceWalk" and never heard of anything else they did. This makes me skeptical of the marketing excuse.

I think their music just did not click with the hard core funk audience. I am from the DC area and due to this area being the home of GO-GO music their are some serious old-school fuck heads in the area. Mandrill never really comes up much compared to P-Funk, or War.

soulpower said:

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Once again I did not say the group did have a creative impact. I just do not think they are that great. It is called an opinion. Stop trying to cram your opinion down my throat.

"there are some serious old-school FUCK heads in the area"

soulpower said:

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I have a greatest hits cd. I do not listen to that cd that much and I am not going to spend big bucks on a box set.
On the greatest hits I hear funk,latin and rock.

I disagree with you about Prince. I think he did a good job with "BlueLight as a reggae tune and I think he did a good job incorporating Shelia E's latin vibe into his music. In addition, I give him credit for trying different styles of music in a time when black people are only suppose to rap.

Give credit were credit is due.

PFunkjazz said:

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Good Points. Perhaps there is such a thing as to much diversity.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

How can someone with a serious musical mind give credit to "Blue Light" for being an authentic carribean tune (or calling it a pretty good job, in your words)? No wonder why you dont get Mandrill. Seriously, "Blue Light" is a funny bubblegum pop tune with a little reggae influence. But it has as much to do with real carribean music as Ricky Martin is orginal latin sound.

And just for your information, Sheila had pretty much free hand for coming up with her latin-pop tunes. Ask her yourself. It wasnt Prince who was the master behind this. And on record, its far from authentic salsa. Its latin-pop again (Ricky, here we go). Its nice, all groovy, I like it. But its a superfical adventure, very shallow.

laurarichardson said:

Hmmm... earlier you claimed that they werent diverse at all, a plain funk band with a little rock and latin influence, and now you are saying the whole opposite -- agreeing that they are too diverse? Anything that holds up the groove against them, huh?

soulpower said:

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No, you idiot. I never said they were not diverse at all.I said I hear funk, latin and rock. I only hear 3 styles of music. Perhaps they may have been a little to diverse because of the funk,latin and rock. This was the early 70's maybe the public was not ready to hear the 3 styles of music mixed up. I only agree that the 3 styles may have been to much and I am going to hold the awful singing against them.

soulpower said:

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Your reading skills are poor. I think "Blue Light is a o.k attempt at doing something reagae. Prince is not Bob Marley but he did a better job than say Lionel Richie and his ridiculous attempts at reaggae and I could throw in a dozen other RnB artist that have attempted reaggae and failed.

I said he blended his sound with hers.I did't say he was responsible without her input. If you are comparing the Glamourous Life to Ricky Martin's output I think we know who does'nt know shit about music on this board. Both artist do latin-pop but one really sucks at it and Mrs.E does not.

Who give a rat's ass if music is a superfical adventure.

What matters is if people enjoy it. I saw Prince perform "Blue Light" in concert. Guess what people loved it.
I did't see angry reaggae fans attack the stage. The only people who really think the way you do are boring music critics who are so busy analying music that the can't enjoy it.
I got over a 1,000 cd's because I am a music fan not a anal-rentive critic.