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Reply #30 posted 10/30/03 4:07pm

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softandwet said:




yeah do you think hendrix has over 40 odd albums under his name? official he only has about 5 surely? and from what i can tell arent bootleg just him jamming. its abit unfair to count that as an album and more than prince who plays all the instruments and finishes the songs. know what i mean?



I think the point was that Hendrix managed to write and record alot of music in a relatively short amount of time.About 8 albums worth of material in about three years , all while touring constantly.
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Reply #31 posted 10/30/03 4:19pm

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I think the point was that Hendrix managed to write and record alot of music in a relatively short amount of time.About 8 albums worth of material in about three years , all while touring constantly.

so when prince did 4 albums or whatever in the early 90s, while doing the videos and his biggest world tour to date, that wasnt much? i see your point, but as i say, consider the complexity of what prince was doing compared to hendrix, and the variety. it doesnt impress me that much what hendix did compared to prince. thats personal opinion though i admit!
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Reply #32 posted 10/30/03 4:20pm

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Most of these sucked the hairs out a pig's ass! pig

Only a Prince fam nutty would think VANIYT6, APOLLONIA and Sheena Easton records were noteworthy. barf[/quote]

lol. well actually i aint heard these records! haha. but theyre still records, and if prince played all instruments and developed the melody, i think this is more time consuming or at least prolific, than hendrix or a jazz musician improvising for an hour
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Reply #33 posted 10/30/03 4:30pm

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softandwet said:



lol. well actually i aint heard these records! haha. but theyre still records, and if prince played all instruments and developed the melody, i think this is more time consuming or at least prolific, than hendrix or a jazz musician improvising for an hour



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Reply #34 posted 10/30/03 4:39pm

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softandwet said:

I think the point was that Hendrix managed to write and record alot of music in a relatively short amount of time.About 8 albums worth of material in about three years , all while touring constantly.

so when prince did 4 albums or whatever in the early 90s, while doing the videos and his biggest world tour to date, that wasnt much? i see your point, but as i say, consider the complexity of what prince was doing compared to hendrix, and the variety. it doesnt impress me that much what hendix did compared to prince. thats personal opinion though i admit!



Im not comparing Hendrix to Prince.I was just pointing out that he was prolific , as the original poster did.

Youre certainly entitled to your opinion, but what Hendrix accomplished for his time was outstanding.For better or for worse,he influenced the course of music indefinitely. It's hardly fair to compare him to an artist who arrived on a totally different scene , almost ten years later .
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Reply #35 posted 10/30/03 4:42pm

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A lot of wrongheaded bellyaching going on in this thread. disbelief

And anybody who speaks musically ill of Mandrill must be on crack - which of course has nothing to do with how prolific they are, or aren't for that matter. It's just an absolute crime how Mandrill isn't really known in the mainstream. These guys had PFunk open up FOR THEM, fer Christ's sakes.

Think of Santana in their prime.

Think of Earth Wind & Fire in their prime.

Think of Parliament/Funkadelic in their prime.

Think of World Music long BEFORE it was called such a thing.

Think of walking basslines, and Latin piano.

Think of an Afrocentric Funk Bomb.

Then think of whatever else you never think of outside of your pop music world view.

There you have Mandrill.
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Reply #36 posted 10/30/03 5:03pm

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softandwet said:

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BowiE

yeah but has bowie put out more than prince? prince has done around 26 albums at least? i dont think bowie has done that?

people just seem to be listing artists with alot of albums. plus we're talking about how prolific, has bowie put out on average more than one album a year, several of which multi discs?

plus how many albums has dylan done?! cos i have this rock n roll encyclopaedia which names all releases and etc and dylan has less than 30 im sure? plus james brown did not have 90 albums, remember for the first years he released a single every 3 months, (just looking it up now) his first single was 56, and his first album, live at the apollo, 62. between that time he released around 25 singles in 8 years, but really quite a few of these seem to be covers anyway. ive just counted about 45 albums, and after 85/86 there were many compilations i didnt count, and even this 45 contains MANY compliations and live albums.
plus i dont know how long these albums were, it would be more realistic to look at run time of songs, i say this because from late 80s onwards (where james brown released one album of original material of 10 songs so probs no more than 40 mins anyway) albums significantly increased in length due to cds. in this time, prince did d and p (an hour?) symbol (75 mins, you could cut that into 2 60s albums) come is around 60.70mins? gold experience is long too. obvioulsy emancipation is 3 hours. plus prince was bound in the 80s to an album a year really whereas obviously in the 60s james brown seemed to release 2 albums in a month at one point

however, how many albums would prince have if in the early 90s warner had let him release 4 albums a year like he wanted? tonnes more! it only seems like now prince isthinking free, releasing a 7 cd box set, NEWS, xpectation and hopefully a musicology album all in ONE YEAR. incredibly for todays standards.

lets not also forget all the albums prince wrote but released for someone else or under a pseudonym. madhouse has what 2 albums and recorded a 3rd. how many time albums did prince write? at least 2, plus vanity 6 and apollonia 6. sheila e. sheena easton. so on so forth. so i reckon prince surely has coming on 40 albums...in 25 years? dont even pretend bowie has done that!!!


33 and counting + numerous collaborations, guest vocals, production credits, (on renowned CLASSIC albums), and a wealth of unreleased material thanku very much.

I think however that whoever posted ZappA on here made a good call - that guys pisses over everybody - he probably recorded himself taking a bath and logged it.

PS: Very defensive aren't we!
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Reply #37 posted 10/30/03 5:18pm

softandwet

Im not comparing Hendrix to Prince.I was just pointing out that he was prolific , as the original poster did.

Youre certainly entitled to your opinion, but what Hendrix accomplished for his time was outstanding.For better or for worse,he influenced the course of music indefinitely. It's hardly fair to compare him to an artist who arrived on a totally different scene , almost ten years later .



ok ok i see your point! but, well actually i dont really have anything more to add. for princes time what he did was outstanding too. yes hendrix changed music but being prolific and good are different things i guess
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Reply #38 posted 10/30/03 5:21pm

softandwet

33 and counting + numerous collaborations, guest vocals, production credits, (on renowned CLASSIC albums), and a wealth of unreleased material thanku very much.

I think however that whoever posted ZappA on here made a good call - that guys pisses over everybody - he probably recorded himself taking a bath and logged it.

PS: Very defensive aren't we!
chill pill[/quote]


lol, sorry for coming across as defensive i totally didnt mean it, but it seemed like people were naming people who werent necessarily more prolific than prince! besides, 33 albums in what, 36 years? is not more prolific than 26 in 25. plus thats not including wha prince did elsewhere so on. and i do believe prince has a wealth of unreleased music too! thank you very much! lol
but sorry again if i seemed aggresive, i just get confused when people say "hey this guy has released 1000 albums!" which i think someone said of johnny cash!
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Reply #39 posted 10/30/03 5:22pm

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Reply #40 posted 10/30/03 6:12pm

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softandwet said:

lol, sorry for coming across as defensive i totally didnt mean it, but it seemed like people were naming people who werent necessarily more prolific than prince! besides, 33 albums in what, 36 years? is not more prolific than 26 in 25. plus thats not including wha prince did elsewhere so on. and i do believe prince has a wealth of unreleased music too! thank you very much! lol but sorry again if i seemed aggresive, i just get confused when people say "hey this guy has released 1000 albums!" which i think someone said of johnny cash!

You're not coming across as agressive. And you've given another perspective when you show the ratio of albums and how many years said artists have been releasing them professionally.

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Reply #41 posted 10/30/03 8:10pm

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Of artists living today:

Smokey Robinson (he wrote most of the classic Temptation, Supremes, and Jackson Five songs, along with other great hits from Motown), James Brown, Quincy Jones, George Clinton, maybe even Stevie Wonder (I don't know how many songs he wrote for other Motown artists).
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Reply #42 posted 10/30/03 9:04pm

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POTUS said:

Of artists living today:

Smokey Robinson (he wrote most of the classic Temptation, Supremes, and Jackson Five songs, along with other great hits from Motown), James Brown, Quincy Jones, George Clinton, maybe even Stevie Wonder (I don't know how many songs he wrote for other Motown artists).


Not quibbling with your inclusions, just ading some clarifications.

Smokey wrote songs for TEMPTS pre-Norman Whitfield; hardly "most" (though they are the "better known" songs with David Ruffin).

Brian Holland/Lamont Dozier/Eddie Holland wrote most of the Supremes songs, Smokey wrote a few.

Smokey did not write any songs for Jackson5. That was the CORPORATION which was Berry Gordy, Freddie Perren, Fonce Mizell, and Deke Richards.

True, Smokey wrote for many MOTOWN artist including himself and his group, the Miracles, and also the Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Martha Reeves & The Vandellas etc etc.

NEarly all James Brown's songs were really collaborations based on impromptu jams with different bandmembers. George Clinton nearly always collaborated with people in and out of his bands.

Quincy Jones wrote precious few songs by himself. He's mostly an arange and producer who buys songs o rhires songwriters for his projects.


Of course songwriting is just one aspect of an artist's output.
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Reply #43 posted 10/30/03 9:07pm

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how can you get credit for having "a wealth of unreleased material"?
lol that's like having money you can't spend.


As you're counting totally worthless projects like VANITY & SHEEN EASTON to make up the sheer volume I guess the hidden crap in his vault can count as well. confuse
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Reply #44 posted 10/30/03 9:09pm

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PFunkjazz said:[quote]

softandwet said:

Most of these sucked the hairs out a pig's ass! pig

Only a Prince fam nutty would think VANIYT6, APOLLONIA and Sheena Easton records were noteworthy. barf


lol. well actually i aint heard these records! haha. but theyre still records, and if prince played all instruments and developed the melody, i think this is more time consuming or at least prolific, than hendrix or a jazz musician improvising for an hour



Give me a good jazz solo any day...
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Reply #45 posted 10/30/03 9:31pm

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soulpower said:

love2thenines2003 said:



Maybe Only Hendrix...or Zappa...But ALIVE NOBODY!!


Thats bull. James Brown for example. He has released about 90 albums and 300 singles and there still is much stuff that didnt come out yet. Many session players like the Funk Brothers and Bernhard Purdie have outdone Prince before he was even born.

Many other people who have passed away have recorded MUCH more than Prince.. Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk, Charles Mingus, Duke Ellington (10thousands), Count Basie, Louis Armstrong, even John Coltrane who died at age 39, etc etc etc.

Its not about quantity in my opinion. Shuggie Otis has recorded much less than Prince, but his work seems a lot more sophistcated and mature than most Prince stuff. Mandrill have recorded 10 albums and are tighter and even more diverse than Prince...




GAWD!!! Dude u should definitely think about Ritalin. Always so quick to offensively put someone elses opinion or comments down. And what are U like Miles Davis' long lost son or somethin'. He was a master, he was Great no doubt, but damn.


I still love u tho..., if u'r a girl.
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Reply #46 posted 10/30/03 11:46pm

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i wonder what a prince album of zappa covers would b like

me thinks yummmy
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Reply #47 posted 10/31/03 3:17am

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Stevie Wonder told David Letterman in 1995 that he had over 2,000 songs stored away. He has taken an opposite position from Prince in terms of releasing material. He doesn't feel the need or the pressure to release a prolific amount of material into today's marketplace.



Damn,I would kill to hear some of those songs! I heard that,several years ago when Motown/Universal were remastering much of his 70s catalog,they asked him for some bonus tracks but he refused.He's apparently in no hurry to release this stuff.
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Reply #48 posted 10/31/03 3:29am

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Bowie came to mind, but Prince's side projects are absolutely infinite..I doubt anyone surpasses him!! And besides, Prince is quality as well as quantity (MOST of the time )
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Reply #49 posted 10/31/03 4:06am

softandwet

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how can you get credit for having "a wealth of unreleased material"?
lol that's like having money you can't spend.


As you're counting totally worthless projects like VANITY & SHEEN EASTON to make up the sheer volume I guess the hidden crap in his vault can count as well. confuse




lol, yeah but an albums an album, if he knocked it off in a day, thats still longer than it took hendrix to improvise for an hour!! we're talking quantity not quality (not that i prefer quantity, but im just talking about this thread!)
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Reply #50 posted 10/31/03 5:00am

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Shuggie Otis is not more sophisticated musically than Prince I'm affraid. He is still VERY good though, don't get me wrong. Mandrill on the other hand are nowhere near Prince musically. Its just not right to even mention them in a thread.


lol You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Lesson about Shuggie Otis: The man played EVERY instrument of his albums, including horns. He also wrote the orchestra arrangements. Prince cant even write music properly. He is an amazing musician, but he?s just nowhere near Shuggie.

Lesson about Mandrill: Mandrill not worth mentioning? omg Are you sure you are not confusing them with the Backstreet Boys? Mandrill are probably the tightest and prolific band that has emerged out of the 70s.

Carlos Wilson, the leader, composer and arranger of Mandrill, plays even more instruments like Prince. He beats him on the drums easily, and he is an amazing horn player (trombone, alto sax, tenor sax and flute), something that is out of the picture for Prince. He also writes orchestral music.
I have worked and toured with Mandrill, and I have seen Prince work, and I can assure you that Mandrill would kick Prince`s ass easily. The music they have recorded between 1970 and 1974 beats pretty much EVERTHING in composition, texture, arrangement and groove than Prince has ever written, maybe with the exception of songs like Chrystal Ball. Santana has worshipped Mandrill, so has Miles Davis and even Duke Ellington.
Back in the days, groups like The New Birth, Earth Wind and Fire, War and Parliament used to OPEN for Mandrill, because nobody wanted to go on after them.
You really need to study one`s music before you make a ridiculous comment like the one above.
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Reply #51 posted 10/31/03 5:01am

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garnis said:


And about the Jazz greats...Alot of the great jazz albums were live improvisations. In other words, you could put out an album a night if you wanted. Sometimes you gotta wade through a ton of crap to find really good jazz.



rolleyes Maybe you have been listening to too much Kenny G. It would be difficult for you to pull out one weak album among the 600 Blue Note records I have.
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Reply #52 posted 10/31/03 5:02am

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PFunkjazz said:


to say nothing of the crap I wade thru in my Prince collection!



Thats the point! If you listen through the 20 CDS of "The Work" Bootleg of his life work, you can basically erase 60 percent of the material on there. The other 40 percent are great, but Prince has recorded sooo much crap, its almost unbelievable.
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Reply #53 posted 10/31/03 5:05am

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softandwet said:


lol. well actually i aint heard these records! haha. but theyre still records, and if prince played all instruments and developed the melody, i think this is more time consuming or at least prolific, than hendrix or a jazz musician improvising for an hour



I think you have misudnerstood the concept of Jazz. Its extremely difficult to get together with five master musicians and improvise for over and hour. Its more difficult than would Prince did for Vanity, etc.. -- lay down a lame drum beat and add some cheesy, unskilled synths over them.
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Reply #54 posted 10/31/03 5:08am

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VAMPIRELLA said:

Bowie came to mind, but Prince's side projects are absolutely infinite..I doubt anyone surpasses him!! And besides, Prince is quality as well as quantity (MOST of the time )



Of all the many artists I listen to, and thats a lot, I cant think of any who put out and recorded as much crap as Prince. Of course he did some amazing shit, no doubt... which is why I am on this site. But he recorded so much music... and the quality really suffered.
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Reply #55 posted 10/31/03 7:14am

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I think you have misudnerstood the concept of Jazz. Its extremely difficult to get together with five master musicians and improvise for over and hour. Its more difficult than would Prince did for Vanity, etc.. -- lay down a lame drum beat and add some cheesy, unskilled synths over them.[/quote]



thats a fair point really. but if its that hard to find 5 master musicians...how come theres so much of it?
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Reply #56 posted 10/31/03 7:20am

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softandwet said:


thats a fair point really. but if its that hard to find 5 master musicians...how come theres so much of it?



There is many great players all over the world. Its not hard to find them, its just dificult to play together in Jazz, that was my point.

But the talent is out there. There is many young cats as talented as Prince as well... but they dont have the ambition of luck to make it bigtime.
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Reply #57 posted 10/31/03 7:20am

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Never heard of Mandrill, but I'm eager to discover them! Could you please tell us more??? Thanks!
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Reply #58 posted 10/31/03 7:22am

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Never heard of Mandrill, but I'm eager to discover them! Could you please tell us more??? Thanks!



www.mandrillis.com

They have released ten albums, four of them have been re-released on CD, and there is a 2-CD-anthology on Polydor. The other stuff is available on vinyl, you just need to be patient and look for them. Good luck, you wont regret it. They are gonna blow your mind.
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Reply #59 posted 10/31/03 7:22am

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bananacologne said:

softandwet said:

bananacologne said:

BowiE

yeah but has bowie put out more than prince? prince has done around 26 albums at least? i dont think bowie has done that?

people just seem to be listing artists with alot of albums. plus we're talking about how prolific, has bowie put out on average more than one album a year, several of which multi discs?

plus how many albums has dylan done?! cos i have this rock n roll encyclopaedia which names all releases and etc and dylan has less than 30 im sure? plus james brown did not have 90 albums, remember for the first years he released a single every 3 months, (just looking it up now) his first single was 56, and his first album, live at the apollo, 62. between that time he released around 25 singles in 8 years, but really quite a few of these seem to be covers anyway. ive just counted about 45 albums, and after 85/86 there were many compilations i didnt count, and even this 45 contains MANY compliations and live albums.
plus i dont know how long these albums were, it would be more realistic to look at run time of songs, i say this because from late 80s onwards (where james brown released one album of original material of 10 songs so probs no more than 40 mins anyway) albums significantly increased in length due to cds. in this time, prince did d and p (an hour?) symbol (75 mins, you could cut that into 2 60s albums) come is around 60.70mins? gold experience is long too. obvioulsy emancipation is 3 hours. plus prince was bound in the 80s to an album a year really whereas obviously in the 60s james brown seemed to release 2 albums in a month at one point

however, how many albums would prince have if in the early 90s warner had let him release 4 albums a year like he wanted? tonnes more! it only seems like now prince isthinking free, releasing a 7 cd box set, NEWS, xpectation and hopefully a musicology album all in ONE YEAR. incredibly for todays standards.

lets not also forget all the albums prince wrote but released for someone else or under a pseudonym. madhouse has what 2 albums and recorded a 3rd. how many time albums did prince write? at least 2, plus vanity 6 and apollonia 6. sheila e. sheena easton. so on so forth. so i reckon prince surely has coming on 40 albums...in 25 years? dont even pretend bowie has done that!!!


33 and counting + numerous collaborations, guest vocals, production credits, (on renowned CLASSIC albums), and a wealth of unreleased material thanku very much.

I think however that whoever posted ZappA on here made a good call - that guys pisses over everybody - he probably recorded himself taking a bath and logged it.

PS: Very defensive aren't we!
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