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if prince was born in the 40s ...imagine him "competing" with jimi hendrix, sly stone, james brown, george clinton, steve wonder...
would he b prince as we no him 2day? obviously not, but would have been considered a "genius" as he is now? prince only had 2 compete (press) with MJ, even they had very lil or nothing 2 do with each other bsides age, or color...well, not anymore | |
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No thanx. If he was born in the 40'ies, he'd be like 60 now... ouch...what a sight! | |
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HerRoyalBadness said: No thanx. If he was born in the 40'ies, he'd be like 60 now... ouch...what a sight!
i ment if he had 2 live in the 60s-70s with all those great musicians that are his "heros". maybe he would have drunk directly form charlie parker , john clotrane or miles davis instead was prince lucky? or maybe he would have been even bigger? | |
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wildblueangel said: HerRoyalBadness said: No thanx. If he was born in the 40'ies, he'd be like 60 now... ouch...what a sight!
i ment if he had 2 live in the 60s-70s with all those great musicians that are his "heros". maybe he would have drunk directly form charlie parker , john clotrane or miles davis instead was prince lucky? or maybe he would have been even bigger? He wouldda been big, but not as big as Jimi. But I'm sure that he'd be gettin a lot of good tips, playin on stage with the best people. | |
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who would he be picking concepts from..
...so not 2 b considered a copycat...? | |
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What a good question   &  | |
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Would Justin Timberlake have been huge in the 20s?
Would Abraham Lincoln have made a good president in the 90s? Would Chris Rock had been funny in the 12th century? Would we mock Jesus if he told his quaint parables today? I truly apologise if this sounds a touch condesending, but the very nature of this thread makes the colours and complusions in my mind whirl and twist into strange shapes. The Prince you know and love would not have made the music you know and love if everything wasn't in the right place, at the right time, dissolving in a glass of circumstance. A human is nothing but the sum of its influences and our race is unique in that we live to adapt around the surrounding ebb and flow of popular culture in the time we exist - whether it be religious movements, political beliefs, or even choosing shoes becuase Madonna wore them to the latest premiere. Prince is enturely of his time - as is everyone - as you are yourself. That being, a perfect reflection of your surroundings and personal influences. Prince would NOT have been jamming with Miles on Bitches Brew. Prince would NOT have formed the Band of Gypsies with Hendrix. Prince would NOT have smoked a toke with Lennon and Dylan. Just the same as all the above musicans would not have fitted into the pyjamas of today's popular socialogical movements - just as Prince himself does not fit in now. Excepting the fact that Prince Nelson is NOT an innovator, rather a genius culture vulture who can genetically splice music and image like no-one else to create a beautifully unique hybird species. He is a wonderfully gifted musician and fascinating personality, but he did NOT change music - as much as I would love to believe he did. Laying pretention and bullshit to one side in order to conclude, what I'm trying to emote with this post is simply this - if Prince lived in the 40s, it would be a very different person to the man we're all logging onto this site for, therfore, it matters not. I apologise in advance if I've crossed swords with anyone's own beliefs. Maybe I took this thread a wee bit too seriously. splice edit [This message was edited Wed Oct 29 15:32:15 PST 2003 by Number23] | |
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Prince's music has been influenced by those past generations of musicians and by the time he grew up in, so we can't possible say what if, what if.
I don't even know what this thread is about. Do you think a song like When Doves Cry or Kiss could have turned out the same way in the 60s? They didn't even have drum machines then. It's a nonsensical thing to think about IMO. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Romance1600 said: Prince's music has been influenced by those past generations of musicians and by the time he grew up in, so we can't possible say what if, what if.
I don't even know what this thread is about. Do you think a song like When Doves Cry or Kiss could have turned out the same way in the 60s? They didn't even have drum machines then. It's a nonsensical thing to think about IMO. Similar to my thoughts, if a wee bit cheekier in execution. romance edit [This message was edited Wed Oct 29 15:51:53 PST 2003 by Number23] | |
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Number23 said:
Similar to my thoughts, if a wee bit cheekier in execution. [/quote] My dear, I'm as cheeky as them cum  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Romance1600 said: Number23 said:
Similar to my thoughts, if a wee bit cheekier in execution. My dear, I'm as cheeky as them cum [/quote]
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great...so if prince as a NOT INNOVATOR (as u stated) and as someone than takes concepts and mixes them creating something great...my question was : who would have he taken concepts from? maybe charlie parker...
obviuosly he wouldnt have used the LN-1 , but accroding 2 that era he would have used something that was considered "new" back then...u no, ahead of his time. | |
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If Prince was to start his professional career in the late 1960s and early 1970s, he would have never made it to the stardom that he has today. He would have been one of many great funk musicians of that era.
Prince`s lucky play was that he has emerged out of the 1980s, a musically cold and dull era with little true innovationa and soul. Only in the 1980s he could have become who he is today. Also, his musical direction was too freaky to be a big success in the 70s. A good example is musician Shuggie Otis, who was a lot like Prince. Shuggie has recorded three musical masterpieces in the early 1970. On all of them he played ALL instruments (even the horns) and did all vocals. His composition was daring and ery far ahead of his time -- very much like Prince. But Shuggie got dropped because the audience of the 1970s wasnt ready yet, and he sunk into depression and didnt play again until reasonly. Prince`s chance was the 80s. And he took it. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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yeah! shuggie otis...
Shuggie Otis truly had the vision thing. Compared at the wispy age of 15 with Hendrix and the great Kings of blues guitar (B.B., Albert, Freddie), the young phenom went on to make two expansive, genre-defying, deeply curious albums, 1971Æs "Freedom Flight" and 1974Æs "Inspiration Information." The records, essentially crafted as a one- man band, floored Sly Stone, gave the Brothers Johnson their most enduring hit ("Strawberry Letter 23") and predated the stylistic synthesist Prince by half a decade. Otis, son of the rhythm and blues bandleader Johnny Otis, was a guitar prodigy, but he didnÆt stop there. An exceptional drummer and vibraphone player, he immersed himself in drum-machine technology in its earliest incarnation. He played piano and organ, and he arranged for horns and strings; friends say he was at least as good a bass player as he was a guitarist. Johnny Otis says that his son was as natural a musician as they come. When the senior Otis urged his teenage guitarist to pursue his interest in film scoring by signing up for composing lessons, they didnÆt last long. After a few days, he remembers, the tutor came to the father and begged off: "He already knows this shit!"<... | |
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"If Prince was born in the 40s" he'd be kicking it with Larry Graham.  | |
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wildblueangel said: yeah! shuggie otis...
Shuggie Otis truly had the vision thing. Compared at the wispy age of 15 with Hendrix and the great Kings of blues guitar (B.B., Albert, Freddie), the young phenom went on to make two expansive, genre-defying, deeply curious albums, 1971Æs "Freedom Flight" and 1974Æs "Inspiration Information." The records, essentially crafted as a one- man band, floored Sly Stone, gave the Brothers Johnson their most enduring hit ("Strawberry Letter 23") and predated the stylistic synthesist Prince by half a decade. Otis, son of the rhythm and blues bandleader Johnny Otis, was a guitar prodigy, but he didnÆt stop there. An exceptional drummer and vibraphone player, he immersed himself in drum-machine technology in its earliest incarnation. He played piano and organ, and he arranged for horns and strings; friends say he was at least as good a bass player as he was a guitarist. Johnny Otis says that his son was as natural a musician as they come. When the senior Otis urged his teenage guitarist to pursue his interest in film scoring by signing up for composing lessons, they didnÆt last long. After a few days, he remembers, the tutor came to the father and begged off: "He already knows this shit!"<... Shuggie was even more talented than Prince... he mastered more instruments and could write orchestral music. He was just born in the wrong decade... "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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soulpower said: wildblueangel said: yeah! shuggie otis...
Shuggie Otis truly had the vision thing. Compared at the wispy age of 15 with Hendrix and the great Kings of blues guitar (B.B., Albert, Freddie), the young phenom went on to make two expansive, genre-defying, deeply curious albums, 1971Æs "Freedom Flight" and 1974Æs "Inspiration Information." The records, essentially crafted as a one- man band, floored Sly Stone, gave the Brothers Johnson their most enduring hit ("Strawberry Letter 23") and predated the stylistic synthesist Prince by half a decade. Otis, son of the rhythm and blues bandleader Johnny Otis, was a guitar prodigy, but he didnÆt stop there. An exceptional drummer and vibraphone player, he immersed himself in drum-machine technology in its earliest incarnation. He played piano and organ, and he arranged for horns and strings; friends say he was at least as good a bass player as he was a guitarist. Johnny Otis says that his son was as natural a musician as they come. When the senior Otis urged his teenage guitarist to pursue his interest in film scoring by signing up for composing lessons, they didnÆt last long. After a few days, he remembers, the tutor came to the father and begged off: "He already knows this shit!"<... Shuggie was even more talented than Prince... he mastered more instruments and could write orchestral music. He was just born in the wrong decade... ...and some ppl complain about prince not having a lot of recognition. could otis dance as prince? please , dont tell me he could... | |
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wildblueangel said: ...and some ppl complain about prince not having a lot of recognition. could otis dance as prince? please , dont tell me he could... I dont know, I have never seen him. But I guess on stage Shuggie might have been to busy handling all these instruments. Seriously, we are not talking about dancing here. First thing, Prince is a musician. Not a dancer, not an actor. And Shuggie beat Prince in the mastery of instruments. But where Prince beat Shuggie, was determination. Shuggie gave up on himself and his talent too early. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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soulpower said: If Prince was to start his professional career in the late 1960s and early 1970s, he would have never made it to the stardom that he has today. He would have been one of many great funk musicians of that era.
Prince`s lucky play was that he has emerged out of the 1980s, a musically cold and dull era with little true innovationa and soul. Only in the 1980s he could have become who he is today. Also, his musical direction was too freaky to be a big success in the 70s. A good example is musician Shuggie Otis, who was a lot like Prince. Shuggie has recorded three musical masterpieces in the early 1970. On all of them he played ALL instruments (even the horns) and did all vocals. His composition was daring and ery far ahead of his time -- very much like Prince. But Shuggie got dropped because the audience of the 1970s wasnt ready yet, and he sunk into depression and didnt play again until reasonly. Prince`s chance was the 80s. And he took it. Soulpower,that's an interesting observation.I've always felt that,had he started his career in the early 70s,Prince would have actually done even BETTER than in the 80s.For one thing,in the 70s,artists and bands were extremely prolific,putting out an album a year,sometimes even more than that (just ask George Clinton,with all of his P-Funk spin-offs).The 70s was also a more experimental decade for music,and Prince would have fit in just perfectly.Finally,the 70s was the prime era for FUNK,and we all know Prince is a master at funk music.And he would not have had to deal with the emergence of rap/hip-hop stealing his thunder. | |
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DavidEye said: I've always felt that,had he started his career in the early 70s,Prince would have actually done even BETTER than in the 80s.For one thing,in the 70s,artists and bands were extremely prolific,putting out an album a year,sometimes even more than that (just ask George Clinton,with all of his P-Funk spin-offs).The 70s was also a more experimental decade for music,and Prince would have fit in just perfectly.Finally,the 70s was the prime era for FUNK,and we all know Prince is a master at funk music.
Yeah, but there was TOO MANY great funksters back in the 70s. And too many who had more impact than Prince, who were more innovative than him. I doubt that Prince would have ever landed a 17-million-hit like Purple Rain in 1973. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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soulpower said: DavidEye said: I've always felt that,had he started his career in the early 70s,Prince would have actually done even BETTER than in the 80s.For one thing,in the 70s,artists and bands were extremely prolific,putting out an album a year,sometimes even more than that (just ask George Clinton,with all of his P-Funk spin-offs).The 70s was also a more experimental decade for music,and Prince would have fit in just perfectly.Finally,the 70s was the prime era for FUNK,and we all know Prince is a master at funk music.
Yeah, but there was TOO MANY great funksters back in the 70s. And too many who had more impact than Prince, who were more innovative than him. I doubt that Prince would have ever landed a 17-million-hit like Purple Rain in 1973. Soulpower, we should exchange thought streams. | |
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wildblueangel said: HerRoyalBadness said: No thanx. If he was born in the 40'ies, he'd be like 60 now... ouch...what a sight!
i ment if he had 2 live in the 60s-70s with all those great musicians that are his "heros". maybe he would have drunk directly form charlie parker , john clotrane or miles davis instead was prince lucky? or maybe he would have been even bigger? He'd be all smacked out and an alchoholic more than likely: Chet Charlie Jimi Miles Sly... etc... etc... But im sure while it lasted it like the above, he would've left an amazin' legacy | |
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You all have hit on some of the things that make an artist great. No one person is the best at everything. Michael Jordan didn't have the best shot nor jump the highest and if he were born in the 20's we'd have probably never heard of him. However, like Prince he did many things better than most and he came along at the right time. Just as importantly, he had the drive to be the best.
It's not about who plays instruments the best or who came first. For an artist to hit it big everything has to come together perfectly and only God knows the recipe for that. Otherwise we'd have a lot more of these greats running around. |
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