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Thread started 10/24/03 10:02am

IstenSzek

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"Avalanche"

Grabbed me by the short n curlies again today. What a truly
good composition. Such a strong and convincing performance.

It's in those moments that I don't miss the 'old' Prince &
believe again that he can do anything.

However, come "young & beautiful" evillol . just kidding.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #1 posted 10/24/03 10:04am

CAMILLE4U

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Me to. I love listening to it live aswell.
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Reply #2 posted 10/24/03 10:09am

IstenSzek

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CAMILLE4U said:

Me to. I love listening to it live aswell.



Me too. The additional horns give it even more atmosphere
just a shame he left out the second verse when he did it
live. That would have made it completely off the hook.
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Reply #3 posted 10/24/03 10:44am

danielboon

a really SPECIAL prince composition !

truly xceptional !

abolutely fantastic vocal !

love it,love it,f**kin love it !!!
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Reply #4 posted 10/24/03 10:54am

bananacologne

Co-sign.
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Reply #5 posted 10/24/03 11:33am

sabaisabai

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fantastic song:)
Life it ain't real funky unless you got that orgPop.
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Reply #6 posted 10/24/03 11:37am

garganta

what you all said!! nod
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Reply #7 posted 10/24/03 12:12pm

madison

yea
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love the one nite alone bootleg dvd when he sings it ,,,

hes so into it !!!


mellow !!! i wish that bootleg dvd was released !!!
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Reply #8 posted 10/24/03 12:20pm

TRON

IstenSzek said:

However, come "young & beautiful" evillol . just kidding.

Definitely. barf
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Reply #9 posted 10/24/03 12:20pm

calldapplwonde
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Actually, I haven't listened to that one for quite some time, but I really should. Very good song indeed!
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Reply #10 posted 10/24/03 12:22pm

IstenSzek

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Hmm, seems like for the first time ever, a lot of people
agree about a certain song being quite brilliant.

Interesting.
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Reply #11 posted 10/24/03 12:26pm

Miles

'Avalanche' - a bit of a modern Prince classic, even down to the lyrics. I mean, what the hell is he talking about? I can see he has some views about Abe Lincoln being a racist and references to the battle of Little Big Horn (I think). But a little more clarity would have been nice.

Or maybe I need to work a little harder at 'the work'?
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Reply #12 posted 10/24/03 12:28pm

IstenSzek

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Miles said:

'Avalanche' - a bit of a modern Prince classic, even down to the lyrics. I mean, what the hell is he talking about? I can see he has some views about Abe Lincoln being a racist and references to the battle of Little Big Horn (I think). But a little more clarity would have been nice.

Or maybe I need to work a little harder at 'the work'?


It's about exploitation, double standards and greed.
At least, that's what I can make out.
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Reply #13 posted 10/24/03 1:04pm

ufoclub

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It's a slam on the "White" snow that always comes down on everything...
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Reply #14 posted 10/24/03 1:53pm

Milty

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it's obviously his take on a Strange Fruit type track.
i played it for a friend who used to be a big fan. he said that it was an awkward thing to sing about but now come to think about it...it's not really.
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Reply #15 posted 10/24/03 6:33pm

BinaryJustin

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It's a slam on the "White" snow that always comes down on everything...


Um... yeah. I heard it like that too, but I don't want to cause any arguments!

Actually, I'm editing this so I can add that (in my mind), he's saying not all white people are bad - individuals being like snowflakes, but when viewed as a whole they're an avalanche.

White people are prone to bulldoze other ethnicities' cultures and identities. Intentionally in the past but unintentionally at present. Whites don't realise that just being a majority presence, can make other races feel opressed and scared.
[This message was edited Fri Oct 24 18:46:07 PDT 2003 by BinaryJustin]
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Reply #16 posted 10/24/03 6:57pm

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i love the way he sings 'ohh, and he's saying sign your kingdom over to me yeah and be known throughout the land'.

Boy sounds fired up.
You do as I say
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Reply #17 posted 10/24/03 7:13pm

MrTation

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BinaryJustin said:


White people are prone to bulldoze other ethnicities' cultures and identities. Intentionally in the past but unintentionally at present. Whites don't realise that just being a majority presence, can make other races feel opressed and scared.
[This message was edited Fri Oct 24 18:46:07 PDT 2003 by BinaryJustin]



disbelief

What a horribly racist thing to say...
"...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....."
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Reply #18 posted 10/25/03 12:37am

IstenSzek

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howcomeudontcallme said:

i love the way he sings 'ohh, and he's saying sign your kingdom over to me yeah and be known throughout the land'.

Boy sounds fired up.



That's my favorit bit too!
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Reply #19 posted 10/25/03 12:46am

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I can't get past the lyrics. They're juvenile and inciteful.
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Reply #20 posted 10/25/03 3:35am

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The best thing on ONA. It's definately up there with his best work. White people (not all whites cause I'm white too!) think he is being racist, but the song's not about racism as such, for me it's also about blacks being able to overcome their past and not let it get to them to the point where they waste their lives (again I'm using the term blacks VERY loosly). It's about trying to be free from the past - something everyone can relate to. Similar to Family Name...
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Reply #21 posted 10/25/03 7:20am

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madartista said:

I can't get past the lyrics. They're juvenile and inciteful.


What's juvenile about them? explain please.
Lincoln racist - true
black artists abused in the past - true
white people in america running away from their collective responsibilty for slavery and discrimination - true

basically he is just saying all the individual white people don't respect the fact that they have prospered off the degradation of other humans.
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Reply #22 posted 10/27/03 10:38am

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tricky99 said:

madartista said:

I can't get past the lyrics. They're juvenile and inciteful.


What's juvenile about them? explain please.
Lincoln racist - true
black artists abused in the past - true
white people in america running away from their collective responsibilty for slavery and discrimination - true

basically he is just saying all the individual white people don't respect the fact that they have prospered off the degradation of other humans.


Good point. I'm not saying that any of it isn't true. What's juvenile is Prince's songwriting. I think that metaphor and a clever turn of phrase is much more interesting, and sometimes more enlightening, than a run down of facts. The gift of an artist is to take the literal and illustrate it in a different light to make a point. Prince can do that well, and I think in this case, he took a very simplistic approach. That's not wrong, I just don't care for it.

And whether some is racist or not, to call him one is inciteful, particularly someone dead for 138 years. I think there are more constructive approaches, that's all.
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Reply #23 posted 10/27/03 10:52am

stymie

I have only heard this song three times and I am not fond of it at all.
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Reply #24 posted 10/27/03 11:53am

NuPwrSoul

Love it. It's in the tradition of the classic spirituals and sorrow songs at the turn of the century, that spoke to the hurt and pain of the black experience.
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Reply #25 posted 10/27/03 10:55pm

rdhull

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sweet melody--biting lyrics..he did that on purpose
"Climb in my fur."
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