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Prince is becoming Miles Davis. I noticed Prince is slowly but surely leaving the pop songs for the experiemental jazz music. I always thought prince was going to go in a direction that didn't rely on lyrics or a catchy hook. He needs to colab w/ Rosa Passos from Brazil. Her voice is not just out of this world but out of this galaxy. | |
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avidya said: I noticed Prince is slowly but surely leaving the pop songs for the experiemental jazz music. I always thought prince was going to go in a direction that didn't rely on lyrics or a catchy hook. He needs to colab w/ Rosa Passos from Brazil. Her voice is not just out of this world but out of this galaxy.
Interesting sentiment, especially considering I just purchased On the Corner yesterday. "Knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring faith. If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal" - Carl Sagan | |
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Prince is becoming his father. | |
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Anxiety said: Prince is becoming his father.
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Not if the concert I just witnessed was a fake.
He's playing his hits and writing new ones (Life O the Party, Musicology, Don't Let Me Sleep on the Couch) with the passion of his youth. The man is on fire! | |
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Only One Miles~ | |
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Miles (in a darth vader voice):
PRINCE... I AM YOUR FATHER! Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
Toejam's band "Cheap Fakes": http://cheapfakes.com.au, http://www.facebook.com/cheapfakes Toejam the solo artist: http://www.youtube.com/scottbignell | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: Anxiety said: Prince is becoming his father.
Prince is finally becoming Prince after 20 years of messing around. Miles Davis? You gotta be joking. Prince will never reach the genius of Miles Davis -- his innovation and musical mastership. Miles Davis has re-invented Jazz 4 (!) times and ranks among the most influential artists of all time. Hell, Prince doesnt even write music correctly. People here tend to throw around the names of the masters way to easily.  "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany"  | |
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soulpower said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: Anxiety said: Prince is becoming his father.
Prince is finally becoming Prince after 20 years of messing around. Miles Davis? You gotta be joking. Prince will never reach the genius of Miles Davis -- his innovation and musical mastership. Miles Davis has re-invented Jazz 4 (!) times and ranks among the most influential artists of all time. Hell, Prince doesnt even write music correctly. People here tend to throw around the names of the masters way to easily. In fairness, those around Miles Davis were just as instrumental in making Miles seem so revolutionary. John McLaughlin, Herbie Hancock, John Coltrane, I believe Joe Zawinul did some stuff, they were all greats in their own right, and helped to create the sounds too. Especially considering how much of the works are just on the cuff improvs, that is really what did it. In addition to this, it was often the editors and producers of the albums that mixed and looped things appropriately (i.e. Bitches Brew, On the Corner), as well as the band arrangers like Gil Evans who made his work great. Miles Davis was a musical genius, and incredibly influential. Prince will never be as influential, but I would say he is just as innovative. The other advantage Miles Davis has over Prince is an additional 30 years of work, and from our perspective we are able to step back, see his entire contribution, and remember the highlights. All of Prince's material is still fresh in our minds and it is hard to separate the great from the not so great. "Knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring faith. If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal" - Carl Sagan | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: Anxiety said: Prince is becoming his father.
"Don't I keep the heat on?" "Never get married." "Click. Bang!" If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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savoirfaire said: Prince will never be as influential, but I would say he is just as innovative.
I agree with everything you said except for this. I dont think Prince is as innovative.He has created a new sound once... in the early 80s. Thats about it. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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soulpower said: savoirfaire said: Prince will never be as influential, but I would say he is just as innovative.
I agree with everything you said except for this. I dont think Prince is as innovative.He has created a new sound once... in the early 80s. Thats about it. Foolish foolish children. Most people in the music world would agree that not only was Prince the most influential artist of the 80's but also still to this day. Prince embodied more than just his music innovativeness, he also changed "musical" social conscienceness. Rap music and Prince music came from the same seeds it's just that as they grew up they grew into different directions. One created Hip Hop as we know it today the other created Pop music as we know it today. Both constantly crissed crossed into each other's territory picking up a lesson here there. Some arguments can be made that it was more Prince than Sugar Hill that paved the way for Rap music to make it to the mainsteam. In my basement on Liberty Heights in Baltimore at all of our house parties before I even loved Prince music, Prince music was played along with all the rap music of the day. "Irresistable Bitch" was rap in an experimental form. Pop mixed with Rap soon to be called "HIP-HOP". Miles Davis was great and a genius, but Prince will be viewed (if not already, keep in mind Miles is dead. A certain higher level of genius comes after death. Look at Cobain after one f-cking LP and suicide) as greater. In one hundred years if music still matters Prince will be remembered for his genius in music more so than his quirky attitude. Keep in mind Beethoven was considered a real dick in his day and Mozart was a silly playful bastard, but boy could they play. [This message was edited Sun Oct 26 14:09:48 PST 2003 by lmas] | |
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squirrelgrease said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: Anxiety said: Prince is becoming his father.
"Don't I keep the heat on?" "Never get married." "Click. Bang!" That's The Kids' father, Francis L..not Prince's "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: squirrelgrease said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: Anxiety said: Prince is becoming his father.
"Don't I keep the heat on?" "Never get married." "Click. Bang!" That's The Kids' father, Francis L..not Prince's  oh lawd... | |
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rdhull said: squirrelgrease said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: Anxiety said: Prince is becoming his father.
"Don't I keep the heat on?" "Never get married." "Click. Bang!" That's The Kids' father, Francis L..not Prince's Who's this "Kid", you speak of? If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Miles Davis was great and a genius, but Prince will be viewed (if not already, keep in mind Miles is dead. A certain higher level of genius comes after death. Look at Cobain after one f-cking LP and suicide) as greater. [This message was edited Sun Oct 26 14:09:48 PST 2003 by lmas] [/quote] greater than miles davis? stop playin look, i dig prince and all BUT i dont see him surpassing miles' legacy just check the discography miles has AT LEAST 20 classic records let's not even get into how many of them are considered masterpieces and dope material is STILL being released prince HIMSELF would say you were reaching [This message was edited Sun Oct 26 20:19:41 PST 2003 by Scrapluv] [This message was edited Sun Oct 26 20:25:34 PST 2003 by Scrapluv] | |
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Some arguments can be made that it was more Prince than Sugar Hill that paved the way for Rap music to make it to the mainsteam. In my basement on Liberty Heights in Baltimore at all of our house parties before I even loved Prince music, Prince music was played along with all the rap music of the day. "Irresistable Bitch" was rap in an experimental form. Pop mixed with Rap soon to be called "HIP-HOP". [This message was edited Sun Oct 26 14:09:48 PST 2003 by lmas] [/quote] oh and GTFOHWTBS | |
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lmas said: Miles Davis was great and a genius, but Prince will be viewed (if not already, keep in mind Miles is dead. A certain higher level of genius comes after death. Look at Cobain after one f-cking LP and suicide) as greater.
I don't care about all this who's greater stuff when it comes to these two (the original poster is probably being misconstrued anyway). I'm just glad that both of these wildly creative Geminis graced my ears with their passion and insanity. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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lmas said: Foolish foolish children. The way you start of this post makes one wonder who is the child here. Those, who can fully acknowledge the legacy and impact of true masters like Miles Davis, or those who believe that a (very talented, granted) pop musician has actually influenced music more than people like Miles, Mingues, Armstrong, etc. Most people in the music world would agree that not only was Prince the most influential artist of the 80's He was one of them in the 80s pop world, yes. One of them. Not THE most. He is my favorite of that era, but that doesnt make him the most influential. but also still to this day. Thats laughable. Prince embodied more than just his music innovativeness, he also changed "musical" social conscienceness. Rap music and Prince music came from the same seeds it's just that as they grew up they grew into different directions. Artists like James Brown, Gil Scott Heron, the Impressions and others have raised much more social conciousness than Prince and were actually influencing Prince. Prince became a star in an era which was a cold one in terms of social conscienceness. One created Hip Hop as we know it today the other created Pop music as we know it today. Both constantly crissed crossed into each other's territory picking up a lesson here there. Some arguments can be made that it was more Prince than Sugar Hill that paved the way for Rap music to make it to the mainsteam. Yeah, I heard Prince make these claims for himself and you seem to believe it. In case you didnt notice, Prince has dissed Hip Hop for a long time and has been dissed by Hip Hop. His own attempts to jump on the train are rather embarrassing. In my basement on Liberty Heights in Baltimore at all of our house parties before I even loved Prince music, Prince music was played along with all the rap music of the day. "Irresistable Bitch" was rap in an experimental form. Pop mixed with Rap soon to be called "HIP-HOP". Obviously they didnt play any Gil Scott, Last Poets and Oscar Brown Junior or James Brown ("Brother Rapp") in your basement. Otherwhiles you would know where Rap really comes from. Miles Davis was great and a genius, but Prince will be viewed (if not already, keep in mind Miles is dead. A certain higher level of genius comes after death. Look at Cobain after one f-cking LP and suicide) as greater. Please take a time out and study music. By the 1950s, Miles Davis was already more acknowledged and had more impact on the world of creative music than Prince has today. It was not his death that made the legend Miles Davis. It was his life. In one hundred years if music still matters Prince will be remembered for his genius in music more so than his quirky attitude. Keep in mind Beethoven was considered a real dick in his day and Mozart was a silly playful bastard, but boy could they play. Musical innovators will be remembered for their musical impact and not for their attitude. Granted, Prince is one of the major names in Pop music. And he will be remembered. But he simply didnt show enough innovation yet in order to rank among the masters. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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Can anyone imagine Miles Davis gathering a group of improvisers together for a handful of tracks... and then telling them that no matter how organically long or short they became, he'd be rigidly sticking to a 14.00 running time for each one?
Prince is Prince, Miles is Miles. | |
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soulpower said: lmas said: Foolish foolish children. The way you start of this post makes one wonder who is the child here. Those, who can fully acknowledge the legacy and impact of true masters like Miles Davis, or those who believe that a (very talented, granted) pop musician has actually influenced music more than people like Miles, Mingues, Armstrong, etc. Most people in the music world would agree that not only was Prince the most influential artist of the 80's He was one of them in the 80s pop world, yes. One of them. Not THE most. He is my favorite of that era, but that doesnt make him the most influential. but also still to this day. Thats laughable. Prince embodied more than just his music innovativeness, he also changed "musical" social conscienceness. Rap music and Prince music came from the same seeds it's just that as they grew up they grew into different directions. Artists like James Brown, Gil Scott Heron, the Impressions and others have raised much more social conciousness than Prince and were actually influencing Prince. Prince became a star in an era which was a cold one in terms of social conscienceness. One created Hip Hop as we know it today the other created Pop music as we know it today. Both constantly crissed crossed into each other's territory picking up a lesson here there. Some arguments can be made that it was more Prince than Sugar Hill that paved the way for Rap music to make it to the mainsteam. Yeah, I heard Prince make these claims for himself and you seem to believe it. In case you didnt notice, Prince has dissed Hip Hop for a long time and has been dissed by Hip Hop. His own attempts to jump on the train are rather embarrassing. In my basement on Liberty Heights in Baltimore at all of our house parties before I even loved Prince music, Prince music was played along with all the rap music of the day. "Irresistable Bitch" was rap in an experimental form. Pop mixed with Rap soon to be called "HIP-HOP". Obviously they didnt play any Gil Scott, Last Poets and Oscar Brown Junior or James Brown ("Brother Rapp") in your basement. Otherwhiles you would know where Rap really comes from. Miles Davis was great and a genius, but Prince will be viewed (if not already, keep in mind Miles is dead. A certain higher level of genius comes after death. Look at Cobain after one f-cking LP and suicide) as greater. Please take a time out and study music. By the 1950s, Miles Davis was already more acknowledged and had more impact on the world of creative music than Prince has today. It was not his death that made the legend Miles Davis. It was his life. In one hundred years if music still matters Prince will be remembered for his genius in music more so than his quirky attitude. Keep in mind Beethoven was considered a real dick in his day and Mozart was a silly playful bastard, but boy could they play. Musical innovators will be remembered for their musical impact and not for their attitude. Granted, Prince is one of the major names in Pop music. And he will be remembered. But he simply didnt show enough innovation yet in order to rank among the masters. teach.  | |
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McD said: Can anyone imagine Miles Davis gathering a group of improvisers together for a handful of tracks... and then telling them that no matter how organically long or short they became, he'd be rigidly sticking to a 14.00 running time for each one?
I can imagine Teo "Let's cut this tape here" Macero doing that. 
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soulpower said: lmas said: Foolish foolish children. The way you start of this post makes one wonder who is the child here. Those, who can fully acknowledge the legacy and impact of true masters like Miles Davis, or those who believe that a (very talented, granted) pop musician has actually influenced music more than people like Miles, Mingues, Armstrong, etc. Most people in the music world would agree that not only was Prince the most influential artist of the 80's He was one of them in the 80s pop world, yes. One of them. Not THE most. He is my favorite of that era, but that doesnt make him the most influential. but also still to this day. Thats laughable. Prince embodied more than just his music innovativeness, he also changed "musical" social conscienceness. Rap music and Prince music came from the same seeds it's just that as they grew up they grew into different directions. Artists like James Brown, Gil Scott Heron, the Impressions and others have raised much more social conciousness than Prince and were actually influencing Prince. Prince became a star in an era which was a cold one in terms of social conscienceness. One created Hip Hop as we know it today the other created Pop music as we know it today. Both constantly crissed crossed into each other's territory picking up a lesson here there. Some arguments can be made that it was more Prince than Sugar Hill that paved the way for Rap music to make it to the mainsteam. Yeah, I heard Prince make these claims for himself and you seem to believe it. In case you didnt notice, Prince has dissed Hip Hop for a long time and has been dissed by Hip Hop. His own attempts to jump on the train are rather embarrassing. In my basement on Liberty Heights in Baltimore at all of our house parties before I even loved Prince music, Prince music was played along with all the rap music of the day. "Irresistable Bitch" was rap in an experimental form. Pop mixed with Rap soon to be called "HIP-HOP". Obviously they didnt play any Gil Scott, Last Poets and Oscar Brown Junior or James Brown ("Brother Rapp") in your basement. Otherwhiles you would know where Rap really comes from. Miles Davis was great and a genius, but Prince will be viewed (if not already, keep in mind Miles is dead. A certain higher level of genius comes after death. Look at Cobain after one f-cking LP and suicide) as greater. Please take a time out and study music. By the 1950s, Miles Davis was already more acknowledged and had more impact on the world of creative music than Prince has today. It was not his death that made the legend Miles Davis. It was his life. In one hundred years if music still matters Prince will be remembered for his genius in music more so than his quirky attitude. Keep in mind Beethoven was considered a real dick in his day and Mozart was a silly playful bastard, but boy could they play. Musical innovators will be remembered for their musical impact and not for their attitude. Granted, Prince is one of the major names in Pop music. And he will be remembered. But he simply didnt show enough innovation yet in order to rank among the masters. I'll say it again U know SoulPower u make some really great "OPINIONS" just like I do, but the difference between U and I are that I know I am stating opinions as for conversation pieces= the reason for the ORG. If a juvenile fight is what U want I will not surcumb to your seemingly stupid remarks such as "Well, what did you expect when you post nonsense like this thread?" because if I were 2 lash out at U like I was once known to do (under a different Screen Name) I may be banned from the ORG. But I will say if u like u can just not participate in my threads. That might ease your pain, but if it doesn't then F-CK U! [This message was edited Mon Oct 27 6:09:43 PST 2003 by lmas] | |
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Hey,let's not get nasty! | |
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That's very odd, because Prince already is Duke Ellington redux. *****************************************
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lmas said: U know SoulPower u make some really great "OPINIONS" just like I do, but the difference between U and I are that I know I am stating opinions as for conversation pieces= the reason for the ORG. If a juvenile fight is what U want I will not surcumb to your seemingly stupid remarks such as "Well, what did you expect when you post nonsense like this thread?" because if I were 2 lash out at U like I was once known to do (under a different Screen Name) I may be banned from the ORG. But I will say if u like u can just not participate in my threads. That might ease your pain, but if it doesn't then F-CK U! [This message was edited Mon Oct 27 6:09:43 PST 2003 by lmas] Its funny, you have posted exactly the same thing on your other thread.  "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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Prince, Miles...Please!!! there's only one genius!
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soulpower said: lmas said: U know SoulPower u make some really great "OPINIONS" just like I do, but the difference between U and I are that I know I am stating opinions as for conversation pieces= the reason for the ORG. If a juvenile fight is what U want I will not surcumb to your seemingly stupid remarks such as "Well, what did you expect when you post nonsense like this thread?" because if I were 2 lash out at U like I was once known to do (under a different Screen Name) I may be banned from the ORG. But I will say if u like u can just not participate in my threads. That might ease your pain, but if it doesn't then F-CK U! [This message was edited Mon Oct 27 6:09:43 PST 2003 by lmas] Its funny, you have posted exactly the same thing on your other thread. copy and paste works. I said "I'll say it again" kinda of giving nod to the other post. | |
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I don't think Prince will ever be "Miles Davis" It were proper bo I tell the!! Bo Selecta! | |
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