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Thread started 10/06/03 5:51am

AsylumUtopia

Is N.E.W.S old news?

Hi y'all,

I've been reading comments about N.E.W.S on various threads and am surprised that nobody else has mentioned this so far so I have to ask - does it remind anyone of the old madhouse stuff ? Given that it's described as 'new directions in music' I think N.E.W.S is old news. I've only listened to it twice so far as I've only just bought it, but to me it sounds remarkably similar in style to the madhouse stuff he did in the eighties. Some parts even sound as if they were directly lifted from 8 and 16 and in general it is so similar to them that it should have been called 20 (although I believe there is also a madhouse album called 24 but have never been able to find it, if anyone can shed any light on the illusive 24 I'd greatly appreciate it).

Even though I've only listened to N.E.W.S twice and haven't listened to the madhouse stuff for years (must dust off my lp's and digitize them) I think closer scrutiny will reveal even more similarities than I have noticed so far. Even after two listens I cannot get over just how much this sounds like a madhouse album, which I think is a good thing as I love that lazy mellow jazz/funk sound, but it sounds as if it was recorded during the madhouse sessions, and not this year.

New directions in music ? For some of his fans maybe, and maybe for the current band who have not played this style with him before, but definitely not a new direction for Prince.

Anyone else notice the similarity or should I get my ears checked ?
Lemmy, Bowie, Prince, Leonard. RIP.
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Reply #1 posted 10/06/03 6:00am

TheMadMonkey

It's been mentioned so many times that I'm sick of reading it.
C.R.A.P.
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Reply #2 posted 10/06/03 6:04am

AsylumUtopia

Where? I only mentioned it cause I've been doing practically little else but read these threads over the past few days and have so far seen nobody else make the comparison must've been looknig in the wrong ones.
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Reply #3 posted 10/06/03 6:09am

TheMadMonkey

It's mostly in the chat. C.R.A.P. has been compared to Madhouse numerous times there. Everyone knows it...everyone agrees on it.
Well...except me...but only cuz I call it C.R.A.P.
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Reply #4 posted 10/06/03 6:22am

AsylumUtopia

ahhh- thanks. Haven't been in the chat yet. So you're not a jazz fan then...
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Reply #5 posted 10/06/03 8:42am

Anxiety

I think NEWS sounds a lot more mature than the Madhouse stuff, but by the same token, I think Madhouse was a lot more playful than NEWS. Either way, when you put Prince and Eric Leeds in a room together with the intent of recording an instrumental album, you're not really treading a rug that hasn't already been cut years ago. The way I see it, Prince has been waiting for the day when he could put out this kind of work without having to hide behind a mask or another band or have to sneak compositions on to protege albums...and now he has that day.

What kind of music did Daddy Nelson play? Could NEWS and the "new direction" (not to mention Madhouse and the like) be an attempt to follow in his father's footsteps stylistically?
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Reply #6 posted 10/06/03 9:45am

winterman

AsylumUtopia said:

Hi y'all,

I've been reading comments about N.E.W.S on various threads and am surprised that nobody else has mentioned this so far so I have to ask - does it remind anyone of the old madhouse stuff ? Given that it's described as 'new directions in music' I think N.E.W.S is old news. I've only listened to it twice so far as I've only just bought it, but to me it sounds remarkably similar in style to the madhouse stuff he did in the eighties. Some parts even sound as if they were directly lifted from 8 and 16 and in general it is so similar to them that it should have been called 20 (although I believe there is also a madhouse album called 24 but have never been able to find it, if anyone can shed any light on the illusive 24 I'd greatly appreciate it).

Even though I've only listened to N.E.W.S twice and haven't listened to the madhouse stuff for years (must dust off my lp's and digitize them) I think closer scrutiny will reveal even more similarities than I have noticed so far. Even after two listens I cannot get over just how much this sounds like a madhouse album, which I think is a good thing as I love that lazy mellow jazz/funk sound, but it sounds as if it was recorded during the madhouse sessions, and not this year.

New directions in music ? For some of his fans maybe, and maybe for the current band who have not played this style with him before, but definitely not a new direction for Prince.

Anyone else notice the similarity or should I get my ears checked ?

No, you are older news than N.E.W.S
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Reply #7 posted 10/06/03 10:07am

bananacologne

Anxiety said:

What kind of music did Daddy Nelson play? Could NEWS and the "new direction" (not to mention Madhouse and the like) be an attempt to follow in his father's footsteps stylistically?


'SNOOZE' aint even worthy of touching the hem of Madhouse's garments, sorry. Not that Madhouse were THAT inventive etc, but nope, not even close.

Stylistically, and dynamically it isnt a very good album, plain and simple - Xpectation was the stronger of the 2, and I would just LOVE 2 know why he decided 2 release one instead of the other confuse Although I still stand by my statement that I think it's admirable that He released an album that would STILL confound fans, critics etc alike. Whether u like it or not is immaterial nowadays - gone are the days of where every album release was an 'event'. That will never happen again, and rarely happens with ANY artist anymore. So yeah, admirable move P - but that don't mean we want 2 be swamped by more of your Jazz-fusion noodlings thanku very much.

As 4 following in His father's footsteps stylistically, interesting therory - one I'd like 2 expound upon.

IF that is the case, (and I AM presuming here) maybe this is Prince paying his own personal pennance 4 how he may (or may not) have treated His father at certain points. Unfortunately, all the jazz noodlings in the world wont change a thing, u missed that boat P. But maybe u have learnt a lesson not 2 be such a jerk 2 people - as we all know u can be.
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Reply #8 posted 10/06/03 10:08am

herb4

(N)othing
(E)xciting
(W)ithin
(S)ongs

(N)o
(E)ntertainment
(W)ith
(S)inging

(N)ow
(E)verybody
(W)ill
(S)nore

(N)ew
(E)xperiment
(W)ith
(S)hit

(N)othing
(E)ven
(W)orth
(S)elling

(N)ever
(E)ver
(W)ant
(S)equel

(N)ihilistic
(E)xperiment
(W)ith
(S)ound
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Reply #9 posted 10/06/03 10:10am

bananacologne

evillol
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Reply #10 posted 10/06/03 11:02am

JohnnyTheFox

SsssNnnnOoooZzzzE
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Reply #11 posted 10/06/03 2:01pm

winterman

finally,

No
Emotional
(W)
Shit
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Reply #12 posted 10/06/03 3:57pm

gypsyfire

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This is going to sound weird coming from someone who hasn't even heard N.E.W.S.yet,I'll get to it someday.But I think someone with P's musical abilites should continue to delve more into his jazzy side.He is a great musician,and he should be doing more sophisicated music.IMO,he is better than the Michael Jacksons & Madonnas of the world,more than just a mere pop star.Who knows,if he works at it,he might have it in him to be a serious jazz musician!
I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos
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Reply #13 posted 10/06/03 11:08pm

squirrelgrease

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Good NEWS For Modern Man.
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #14 posted 10/07/03 4:42pm

BinaryJustin

Never
Ending
Wanky guitar
Solos

Numbing
Elevator muzak
With
Synths

Not
Enough
Words
Sung
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Reply #15 posted 10/07/03 6:00pm

0rlando

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Hey come on y'all, If you don't wanna hear Prince play Jazz, then don't.
-"If U don't like,
what U see here
-get the FUNK out."
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