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PrintableSupernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo. 
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Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
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Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
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I personally think Prince lost 'it' after/through Lovesexy, I guess everything after Lovesexy was still very good, up until The Gold Experience, afterwhich it really was on a downward spiral in terms of quality until The Rainbow Children which was interesting enough to sit along side the older albums.
I think the Revolution era saw Prince have his most influential and individual band members. Wendy, Lisa, Sheila, Eric, Dez, Levi, Fink. I think what did his creativity more harm than dropping/losing said band-members, was cultivating a yes-man atmosphere around him, and his lack of management (which I can understand why he want to do that - but I think the pros outweigh the cons where management is concerned). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
Yeah but the title track would have lacked a little though How exactly it would ended up is an assumption. And the last time I heard, most Prince fans don't want to hear that song anymore anyway. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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I'm sorry, but when you see the Purple Rain tour, the America video, the Sheila E. Romance 1600 live video where The Revolution came on at the end to play A Love Bizzarre, and then you hear the music that he put out (and the stuff e didn't) during that period in his life, you can't deny that Prince's music was on a higher level than it has been with bands such as the NPG. The Revolution could perform every type of style, whether it be funk, pop, rock, jazz, etc etc. The later incarnations of his bands focussed way to much on "the funk" imho.
Though I do agree that the Lovesexy band was awesome too. It's a very close run thing between those two bands, but I'd still have to say The Revolution, as they're influence was felt for longer and on more albums, oh and the fact that we're still talking about them all these years after they split!  | |
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Supernova said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
Yeah but the title track would have lacked a little though How exactly it would ended up is an assumption. And the last time I heard, most Prince fans don't want to hear that song anymore anyway. Being that Wendy and Lisa suggested the strings and the overall chord structure as we know the song, hmm, that's not much of an assumtion is it?? And it's no bigger assumption than speaking for most Prince fans now is it?? | |
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lmas said: Ok I have heard on so many occasions here on the org that Prince fell off for the most part when he broke up the Revolution, specifically Wendy and Lisa. I would like to propose an alternative proposition to this thought:
1) The majority of Prince's fan base grew up during that 1982-1986 era of Prince's reign. 2) Many of these fans who believe this are White more rock influenced listeners. (Keep in mind that the Revolution was Princes's rock outlet, while The Time was usually his more Black R&B outlet) 3) Prince never really "fell off" he simply got bored with the POP music scene, more to the point the "Minneapolis Sound"that he created or highly influenced and molded. 4) Some people just don't have a clue. I 4 one still love the music through it's various changes over the years no matter which band he was with. The Revolution did possess it's strength of being a very "COLD" sounding band. Let just say that "Nothing Compares 2U" was written in the Revolution's time and somebody like Sinead O'Connor (Miss Depressive) had a hit with it. The Revolution was like a High contrast Black and White movie depicting a very cold winter day. There was no light, just darkness for the most part. Prince once said something very similar about them himself. I guess he needed a little color and warmth to go along with this mix. Just my opinion.No disrespect to GREAT MUSICIANS that made up the legendary Revolution. [This message was edited Sun Oct 5 11:09:42 PDT 2003 by lmas] Another point to consider, theorized by Eric Leeds, is that during that time period Prince was still learning his musical vocabulary so every new release was new and refreshing, untread ground, exciting... and you could hear it in his music. That's the most exciting time to watch an artist is while s/he is still adding to his/her repertoire. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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NuPwrSoul said:[quote] lmas said: Ok I have heard on so many occasions here on the org that Prince fell off for the most part when he broke up the Revolution, specifically Wendy and Lisa. I would like to propose an alternative proposition to this thought:
1) The majority of Prince's fan base grew up during that 1982-1986 era of Prince's reign. 2) Many of these fans who believe this are White more rock influenced listeners. (Keep in mind that the Revolution was Princes's rock outlet, while The Time was usually his more Black R&B outlet) 3) Prince never really "fell off" he simply got bored with the POP music scene, more to the point the "Minneapolis Sound"that he created or highly influenced and molded. 4) Some people just don't have a clue. I 4 one still love the music through it's various changes over the years no matter which band he was with. The Revolution did possess it's strength of being a very "COLD" sounding band. Let just say that "Nothing Compares 2U" was written in the Revolution's time and somebody like Sinead O'Connor (Miss Depressive) had a hit with it. The Revolution was like a High contrast Black and White movie depicting a very cold winter day. There was no light, just darkness for the most part. Prince once said something very similar about them himself. I guess he needed a little color and warmth to go along with this mix. Just my opinion.No disrespect to GREAT MUSICIANS that made up the legendary Revolution. [This message was edited Sun Oct 5 11:09:42 PDT 2003 by lmas] Another point to consider, theorized by Eric Leeds, is that during that time period Prince was still learning his musical vocabulary so every new release was new and refreshing, untread ground, exciting... and you could hear it in his music. That's the most exciting time to watch an artist is while s/he is still adding to his/her repertoire.[/quote Exactly. It's all in the timing. He was still learning his trade then and was becoming proficient at it before the Revolution. If he had one of those other bands at that time in his life they would be the band most associated with Prince. At that point he was writing all kinds of music for the Time-- don't tell me Wendy wrote 777-9311 -- for Vanity 6, and later Sheila E. in addition to his own unreleased tracks.
The Revolution had important input. They lent him his greatest cross-over appeal both musically and image-wise which isn't a bad thing. They added an element to Prince's music that helped a wider audience relate to it. In terms of helping his musical growth Wendy and Lisa did have the most influence. For those that still care now that they're gone that influence has never left him. It sometimes takes a back seat but it's there. |
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lmas said: danielboon said: i disagree with your point about colour ATWIAD was a wonderful album full of colour it certainly brightens up my day, when i give it a spin what i get from this album is... COLOUR !!! even p said in an interview at this time that album was all about COLOUR !!! so my friend even in the revolutions time, everyday was a yellow day no ? well maybe only sometimes ! i think the revolution had its dark ! side yeah, but they could let in the light ! too ! There are exceptions. Even on Purple Rain there were Songs like "Take Me With U" that had hat light experience to them, but the majority of the LP is strouded in darkness, as is ATWIAD, in this case the Temptation, Pop Life, and the Ladder overpower the light heartedness of "Rasberry Baret", "Paisley Park", and "Tamborine" Hell Prince himself is a dark character, but the Revolution made him darker. Imas you said, regarding the rev.. "there was no light,just darkness for the most part " i said " i think the rev.. had its dark side ! yeah, but they could let in the light too !" INTO THE LIGHT ! take me with u when doves cry i would die 4 u baby i'm a star shes always in my hair around the world ... paisley park raspberry beret pop life christopher tracy's p.. girls and boys life can b so nice mountains anotherlover.. KISS !!! READ YOUR OWN THREAD (4.some people just dont have a clue) | |
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oh and i 4got about a love bizarre ! | |
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He "fell off" with Graffiti Bridge...
Lovesexy is a great album and Batman is under-rated. Graffiti Bridge is shit; Diamonds & Pearls is awful;  showed promise but overall was over-produced...
The Gold Experience and Newpower Soul were returns to form. Emancipation was a fine album. One Nite Alone is lovely. Its just that there were so many awful albums in the 90s... | |
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whodknee said: ... In terms of helping his musical growth Wendy and Lisa did have the most influence...
What about Eric Leeds and Sheila? They were around when Prince was in his most eclectic period (Camille/Crystal Ball/SOTT/Lovesexy/Black Album). Or was that too funky? |
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why does everyone have such a problem with Wendy and Lisa?
Yes prince did just fine without them,(and the other members of the revolution) but that was the time when he was first and most recongnized. "a poor fool indeed is a man who adopts a manner of thinking for others" | |
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lmas said: Ok I have heard on so many occasions here on the org that Prince fell off for the most part when he broke up the Revolution, specifically Wendy and Lisa. I would like to propose an alternative proposition to this thought:
1) The majority of Prince's fan base grew up during that 1982-1986 era of Prince's reign. "grew up" is relative. Some were in college, some, teens, some, kids. 2) Many of these fans who believe this are White more rock influenced listeners. (Keep in mind that the Revolution was Princes's rock outlet, while The Time was usually his more Black R&B outlet)
Welll . . . I'm black, and I believe the Revolution era spawned much of his best work. I would also challenge the Rev/Time premise to a certain extent. I'd say that the Rev explored more of Prince's experimental side. In any event, the Time only produced one LP during what I deem the "Revolution" era. 3) Prince never really "fell off" he simply got bored with the POP music scene, more to the point the "Minneapolis Sound"that he created or highly influenced and molded.
Agreed. 4) Some people just don't have a clue.
Agreed. I 4 one still love the music through it's various changes over the years no matter which band he was with. The Revolution did possess it's strength of being a very "COLD" sounding band. Let just say that "Nothing Compares 2U" was written in the Revolution's time and somebody like Sinead O'Connor (Miss Depressive) had a hit with it.
I love much of Prince's post-Rev work too. I'd call them "cold" at times, but when I think about "Raspberry Beret," "  or $," or "17 Days," I think that they could heat it up when called for (not to mention "America" live and the Parade tour).
The Revolution was like a High contrast Black and White movie depicting a very cold winter day. There was no light, just darkness for the most part. Prince once said something very similar about them himself. I guess he needed a little color and warmth to go along with this mix.
I think the Revolution was a genre-bending outfit that wasn't wedded to any particular style, but I'd agree that subsequent bands (the Counter-Revolution especially) had a more soulful feel. Nice Post! Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
Yeah but the title track would have lacked a little though How exactly it would ended up is an assumption. And the last time I heard, most Prince fans don't want to hear that song anymore anyway. Being that Wendy and Lisa suggested the strings and the overall chord structure as we know the song, hmm, that's not much of an assumtion is it?? And it's no bigger assumption than speaking for most Prince fans now is it?? And those strings were a mish mash and I hated them...that wasn't Prince ( not a 1999 Prince) which is what I wanted not some newfangled sound brought on by his bandmates..the only reason most fans like them (the strings) is because they have gotten used to hearing them etc..anyone who was a P fan pre PR flipped out on that "string" part..it wasn't exact;y "all that". Now we are used to them on the song so that's why. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
Yeah but the title track would have lacked a little though How exactly it would ended up is an assumption. And the last time I heard, most Prince fans don't want to hear that song anymore anyway. Being that Wendy and Lisa suggested the strings and the overall chord structure as we know the song, hmm, that's not much of an assumtion is it?? And it's no bigger assumption than speaking for most Prince fans now is it?? And those strings were a mish mash and I hated them...that wasn't Prince ( not a 1999 Prince) which is what I wanted not some newfangled sound brought on by his bandmates..the only reason most fans like them (the strings) is because they have gotten used to hearing them etc..anyone who was a P fan pre PR flipped out on that "string" part..it wasn't exact;y "all that". Now we are used to them on the song so that's why. Plus Clare Fischer buries Wendy & Lisa in the strings dept. as far as I'm concerned. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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namepeace said: I think the Revolution was a genre-bending outfit that wasn't wedded to any particular style, but I'd agree that subsequent bands (the Counter-Revolution especially) had a more soulful feel.
I really like that "Counter-Revolution" term. I may have to contact you when I write my book  "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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NuPwrSoul said: namepeace said: I think the Revolution was a genre-bending outfit that wasn't wedded to any particular style, but I'd agree that subsequent bands (the Counter-Revolution especially) had a more soulful feel.
I really like that "Counter-Revolution" term. I may have to contact you when I write my book Now theres a book that will be worth reading!  To Sir, with Love | |
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Why does one thing have to be better than the other?
Of the two different things, I prefer The Revolution and the Lovesexy band because however good they were as musicians, their personalites interested me more. The NPG were/are good players that can jam endlessly, but apparently they don't challenge Prince to really strive for songwriting achievements like the revolutionaries did. Whether they contributed to the songwriting or not, Wendy and Lisa - and Susan Rogers - spoke their mind about what Prince recorded on his own. Susannah even refused to sing some of the songs he wrote. I doubt the NPG are allowed to speak their mind, only to shut up and play what he tells them to play.    FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
Yeah but the title track would have lacked a little though How exactly it would ended up is an assumption. And the last time I heard, most Prince fans don't want to hear that song anymore anyway. Being that Wendy and Lisa suggested the strings and the overall chord structure as we know the song, hmm, that's not much of an assumtion is it?? What exactly they did and didn't do for the creation of the song has always been rumored and never substantiated. But I realize one side of the story is enough for some. And it's no bigger assumption than speaking for most Prince fans now is it??
No assumption has to be made when you've perused thru years of posts on Prince-related sites. It's not brain surgery. Just a jungle map, now isn't it? This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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rdhull said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
Yeah but the title track would have lacked a little though How exactly it would ended up is an assumption. And the last time I heard, most Prince fans don't want to hear that song anymore anyway. Being that Wendy and Lisa suggested the strings and the overall chord structure as we know the song, hmm, that's not much of an assumtion is it?? And it's no bigger assumption than speaking for most Prince fans now is it?? And those strings were a mish mash and I hated them...that wasn't Prince ( not a 1999 Prince) which is what I wanted not some newfangled sound brought on by his bandmates..the only reason most fans like them (the strings) is because they have gotten used to hearing them etc..anyone who was a P fan pre PR flipped out on that "string" part..it wasn't exact;y "all that". Now we are used to them on the song so that's why. Not true, I was a Prince fan "pre" Controversy and I thought the strings were actually an amazing addition, it was about time to start using the other colors in the box as well. | |
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EverlastingNow said: rdhull said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
Yeah but the title track would have lacked a little though How exactly it would ended up is an assumption. And the last time I heard, most Prince fans don't want to hear that song anymore anyway. Being that Wendy and Lisa suggested the strings and the overall chord structure as we know the song, hmm, that's not much of an assumtion is it?? And it's no bigger assumption than speaking for most Prince fans now is it?? And those strings were a mish mash and I hated them...that wasn't Prince ( not a 1999 Prince) which is what I wanted not some newfangled sound brought on by his bandmates..the only reason most fans like them (the strings) is because they have gotten used to hearing them etc..anyone who was a P fan pre PR flipped out on that "string" part..it wasn't exact;y "all that". Now we are used to them on the song so that's why. Not true, I was a Prince fan "pre" Controversy and I thought the strings were actually an amazing addition, it was about time to start using the other colors in the box as well. Of course there's gonna be a few in every box "Climb in my fur." | |
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Supernova said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: EverlastingNow said: Supernova said: rdhull said: The Beauitful Ones, Darling Nikki and Doves are all Prince solo..and all quite powerful for a followup to 1999
Hmmm. Maybe he should have recorded that whole album solo.
Yeah but the title track would have lacked a little though How exactly it would ended up is an assumption. And the last time I heard, most Prince fans don't want to hear that song anymore anyway. Being that Wendy and Lisa suggested the strings and the overall chord structure as we know the song, hmm, that's not much of an assumtion is it?? What exactly they did and didn't do for the creation of the song has always been rumored and never substantiated. But I realize one side of the story is enough for some. And it's no bigger assumption than speaking for most Prince fans now is it??
No assumption has to be made when you've perused thru years of posts on Prince-related sites. It's not brain surgery. Just a jungle map, now isn't it? You're kidding with this crap right? It's not really a rumour when Wendy and Lisa have actually said in interviews what they contributed to the song. But I also realize that only Prince's side of the story is enough for some as well. 
And can you really base the Purple Rain fan debate by the Org alone? But you would have to be a better judge of that having 9 thousand posts and all. | |
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And I dont think W&L even came up with PR..Prince was diddling with it on Eavesdropping On Intimate moments at the piano by himself...he came up with the melody and he gave it to them to "flesh it out". So nanny nanny boo boo  !"Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: And I dont think W&L even came up with PR..Prince was diddling with it on Eavesdropping On Intimate moments at the piano by himself...he came up with the melody and he gave it to them to "flesh it out". So nanny nanny boo boo
!Ah man, not a nanny nanny boo boo, where can a thread really go after one of those?? No one ever really said they came up with it but no one brought out the best in Prince like Wendy and Lisa. I would also add Eric Leeds and Sheila E to that list as well. But AFTER the girls | |
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I have had the privilege to talk to wendy and (naturally) the subject about "purple rain" came up...what they are saying they came up with is the beginning of the song (sorry, can't give any fancy musical terms), the way it starts off, that's what they're reffering to.they brought it to prince first, then the rest of the band, and they all eventually "fleshed it out". As far as the strings towards the end go, they were arranged by lisa & prince and conducted by lisa and wendy. they contributed a keyboard line to "computer blue" and "the beautiful ones" is said to be about susannah. other than playing on the title track, computer blue, baby I'm a star, I would die 4 u, and let's go crazy, THOSE are their contributions to "Purple Rain". ~KiKi | |
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Damn, I don't even like that song anyway. I'll give Wendy and Lisa my appreciation for their influence on songs like Power Fantastic and the Parade material- but not for one of the most overplayed and boring songs ever that just happen to feature a good guitar solo and some nice strings toward the end. | |
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In the end, there are some fans out there have been frustrated with Prince's inability to reclaim the pop throne that they want to give Wendy and Lisa more credit for things than they probably deserve. Yeah, they were a little influential and made good band members, but damn, it's not like Prince owes all of his success because of them. | |
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