EWM, in your profile you are saying:

"Prince is a great and talented musician, however he is easily manipulated by father figures. His downfall began in the 90's and his crash and burn will continue in the 00's. He needs to get back to his roots and get his shit together."

I have some questions regarding this "analysis":

1. Who are the father figures you are talking about? Well, if you mean Mr John Nelson, his father, I agree. He had enough influence on him so Prince would pick up an instrument and become a musician. I gues you can hardly complain about that. Larry Graham? Prince was already interested in the teachings of the JWs before he had met Larry. And Larry certainly had no bad musical influence.. because Prince finally distanced himself from musical overproduction and lame pop tunes (as witnessed in the early to mid-90s). His music became real again.

2. What downfall are you talking about? Commercially? Well, that has begun in 1985 already. Musically? I agree that he had some very low points of his career in the 90s -- in the studio!!! On stage he was better than ever, so I dont see what you are saying.

3. You demand that Prince needs to get "back to his roots and get his shit together". Well, since TRC he's exactly doing that. He is playing FUNK. Thats his roots. Not the pop of the purple rain era. The live shows -- which you didnt even wanna go see -- are among his best. No messing around, no drum computers, no voice overdubs... I am talking about 3 hours of real, handmade lowdon shit, that even leaves a major impression on his musical heros. His music (and I'm not talking about the lyrics) is more sincere than in a long time. People who work with him say that he has finally found himself. He is free, and it seems that -- for the first time in his life -- he is happy. Many of us might disagree with his religious views -- me included -- but his recent spiritual growth is very well reflected in his music. So what are you saying--- "back to the roots"? And what "burn" are you talking about?
[This message was edited Sat Oct 4 15:28:38 PDT 2003 by soulpower]

Evil needs to realize it's great being able to appreaciate Prince AND Manson's music.

origmnd said:

Its not even about taste. He's granted his own taste, we all are. But its about acknowledgment of musical craftmanship.

soulpower said:

OH MY BLOODY HELL!!!
are you for real?!?!?!

Soulpower, you return to these parts. Great to see you once again, friend.

I have known you, but you not I. How was your leaving and why do you return?

This is too funny.

Okay, I'll respond...

well, I doubt he'll give you the answers you want---if he even responds.

But let me just tell you this: EWM is one of those people that will never be satisfied unless prince returns to his 80s sound. he loves to hate prince, he loves to flame anyone who likes his recent work, and he loves to start fights. there's no talking to him, reasoning with him, or compromising with him he loves to shit on prince. simple as that.

SuperNatural said:

I did a little comeback-thread in the PR forum. Just in case you care.

lovebizzare said:

There is no particular answers which I WANNA hear.
But you are right. Since EWM seems to be stuck in the 80s himself and has not progressed neither intellectually nor musically since then.. well...

I think this thread is gonna be locked, SP.

Supernova said:

Its a sincere question, sis. I mean it. I read his profile and I wasa like "Whaaazzzefuckisthat???"

Vashti said:

soulpower said:

EWM, in your profile you are saying:

"Prince is a great and talented musician, however he is easily manipulated by father figures. His downfall began in the 90's and his crash and burn will continue in the 00's. He needs to get back to his roots and get his shit together."

I have some questions regarding this "analysis":

1. Who are the father figures you are talking about? Well, if you mean Mr John Nelson, his father, I agree. He had enough influence on him so Prince would pick up an instrument and become a musician. I gues you can hardly complain about that. Larry Graham? Prince was already interested in the teachings of the JWs before he had met Larry. And Larry certainly had no bad musical influence.. because Prince finally distanced himself from musical overproduction and lame pop tunes (as witnessed in the early to mid-90s). His music became real again.

It's obvious Larry's teachings affected Prince's thinking. I personally witnessed Prince concerts where Prince would praise Larry for his teachings and for getting him to quit cursing. He would then give the stage to Larry and disappear for the rest of the night behind an instrument. Larry's influence is very unfornunate and only Prince is to blame for letting him change his life that way. And I bet you if Larry hadn't stepped in, Prince would still be spiritually free and not in an institution.

2. What downfall are you talking about? Commercially? Well, that has begun in 1985 already. Musically? I agree that he had some very low points of his career in the 90s -- in the studio!!! On stage he was better than ever, so I dont see what you are saying.

His downfall is with his music, shows, reputation, and business. He's a joke in the business and he's lost most of his fans because of this combination. And if you really believe his past few performances are better than Lovesexy or anything in the 80's, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

3. You demand that Prince needs to get "back to his roots and get his shit together". Well, since TRC he's exactly doing that. He is playing FUNK. Thats his roots. Not the pop of the purple rain era. The live shows -- which you didnt even wanna go see -- are among his best. No messing around, no drum computers, no voice overdubs... I am talking about 3 hours of real, handmade lowdon shit, that even leaves a major impression on his musical heros. His music (and I'm not talking about the lyrics) is more sincere than in a long time. People who work with him say that he has finally found himself. He is free, and it seems that -- for the first time in his life -- he is happy. Many of us might disagree with his religious views -- me included -- but his recent spiritual growth is very well reflected in his music. So what are you saying--- "back to the roots"? And what "burn" are you talking about?

His roots may be in funk, but he was more fun and free back then. Now he's tame and boring. He can produce as much TRC-type music as he wants, but most people don't listen to that garbage.

EvilWhiteMale said:

FINALLY..a voice of reason!!!

soulpower said:

Oh, I know it is. But this type of thread has been posted before (although I can't remember who it was directed toward) for an Orger, and it was locked. But basically lovebizzare hit the nail on the head with her assessment. There's no rational logic to the madness.

lovebizzare said:

well, I doubt he'll give you the answers you want---if he even responds.

Did I prove you wrong yet?

But let me just tell you this: EWM is one of those people that will never be satisfied unless prince returns to his 80s sound.

He doesn't have to return to his 80's sound cuz he's produced a shit load of good music in the 90's as well.

he loves to hate prince

I don't hate Prince, I just hate his music and decisions over the past few years.

he loves to flame anyone who likes his recent work, and he loves to start fights.

If you notice, I don't flame people unless they flame me first. And even then I try to keep in check cuz I want to stay activated. And it's not about starting fights, but I won't stay quiet about my opinions. If you feel it's fight material, then maybe it's you who has the problem.

there's no talking to him, reasoning with him, or compromising with him he loves to shit on prince. simple as that.

What am I, the fuckin Terminator?

lovebizzare said:

And you love to shit on people who isn't of ONE mind with you?

Damn Soulpower, do you want a date with me or something? Sheesh!

scififilmnerd said:

no
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EvilWhiteMale said:

Supernova said:

I know that thread, somebody has just orgnoted me a link.
I dont want to make this a thread about EWM.
It should be a thread on HIS views of Prince and WHY he views him that way.

soulpower said:

Instead of responding to all of this, let me just say that Prince is free to do whatever he wants with his life. I just don't like it and neither do a lot of other people. If Prince wants to be forgotten about, then so be it.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Granted.
But why are you not responding? If you are so sure that you are right, then a good response should be easy. After all, above you said that you wanted to "prove me wrong".

soulpower said:

then he should start his own thread, as opposed to startin one up for him. *sigh*...gonna lock this now, and for the last time: singling people out on threads ain't cool.