"Prince" was/is merely an apparition.

A spiritual biscuit to sop up the gravy of the town folk & help bring 'em to fruition.

origmnd said:

uh...?

AsTrAlTrAvElInHoTtiE said:

...yyyeah.

scififilmnerd said:

I know what you mean. I feel the same way.

As for the current band, they are all obviously very musically talented & competent, but I don't perceive any sort of "connection" between them and Prince the way I did between him and the Revolution or Lovesexy band members. So I subsequently don't feel the specialness or magic that I felt from the other bands.

As for who Prince is nowadays, I truly believe Prince doesn't even really know who he is so how are we to figure him out?

Neversin said:

i totally agree !

Co-sign. I totally know what u are trying 2 express Michael. I agree - it IS totally different. Those halycon days however are gone forever. I saw purple rain in the cinema also, and it was a very different and exciting experience (so good I went a number of times!)

It is really hard now when chatting 2 someone about music, Prince etc etc trying 2 make them understand just how relevant, and HUGE he was back then.

Madonna is still massive - but back then the media made her in2 something even bigger. As was MJ, Prince, Springsteen - these artists ruled the roost in the eighties.

As someone who has followed the little guy since 1983, it is quite hard 2 sit back and watch him continualy deconstruct himself from that whole mediamanipulationmachine. (Hey, I feel a song coming on!) But 2 be fair, he played them like a fiddle. Only now he does it on his own, and it doesnt work because He doesnt understand the dynamic, and doesnt have any decent product (or product of note at least) worthy of column inches.

The day he started GIVING interviews was the day his mystique died. After that, it was 2 late - this folks, is it now.

BIG mistake.

The one thing I cant quite get my head around is why the guy has a vault of funky goodness and he's just sitting on it.

Yeah, it will make u look fanatastic when u are dead and gone Prince. GET IT OUT NOW! It's a waste. Great legacy tho

However much I detest N*E*W*S, I still take my hat off 2 him 4 doing something completely unexpected of HIM. Im STILL here. It may be shit, and yeah, 4 all the "for's" and "againsts" relative, - but it was still Prince pushing the boundries of what was/is expected of him.

Maybe that's the real reason Im still around - still interested in seeing what he does next. Still interested if he'll come up with that next album that will blow people away, and make them sit up and notice...THE MUSIC.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 2 15:37:07 PDT 2003 by bananacologne]

Mcwatson68 said:

We already knew that.

Mcwatson68 said:

GET SOME P-FUNK RECORDS!!!

prince is the wee guy who went from, superstardom to obscurity, with his head firmly stuck up his arse !!!

bananacologne i actually like n.e.w.s but i agree that its not the kind of album to have peeps singing his praises !

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Bravo!

BlaqueKnight said:

i think you make a lot of really smart points and i think you're on to part of it, however, i don't agree with blaming corporate america for the state of music. there has always been payola. there's always been mass marketing (can you say elvis or the beatles). but there's also always been a thriving underground or indie scene. there still is. people are just lazy today. very few people today take interest in going to their local record/cd store and checking out stuff they've never heard of. they rely on 'music' magazines to tell them what to like. music is about style much more now than it was then. style over substance. another problem is that there are hardly as many indie fanzines as there were back in the 80's and early 90's and that plays a part in it. but these people closed shop because a) they got older and had to get a real job and b) nobody was buying. when was the last time the average kid went to an all ages show for 7 bucks somewhere, with their friends, just to hear new music? kids don't do that today. they save up or have mom and dad buy them their $75 justin timberlake tickets. just like some of the people here save up for the $125 (or more) prince tickets. great new music is out there. self is out there, chk! chk! chk! is out there, peaches is out there, postal service is out there, the make up is out there, the faint, and so on and so on. yeah, some of those names are now starting to be heard but there will always be new, innovative music from those who are still hungry.
as for prince...well, what more can he do? he's blended things that nobody before him really mixed. he's pushed envelopes further than most musical artists. he really has done it all. its time for him to chill and enjoy the ride now. that doesn't mean he should get lazy but hasn't he broken enough boundaries already?

i forgot to mention self edit
[This message was edited Thu Oct 2 17:55:21 PDT 2003 by imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty]

bananacologne said:

Right. Most young people today go "Prince who?"



Yeah, what is he saving it for? I don't understand it either.
The only thing he accomplished with Crystal Ball was to convince people that he has nothing particularly interesting in his vault and that all his talking about it was empty bragging.

scififilmnerd said:

Well at least I can hear the occasional "new" bootleg studio track. I got to hear "Purple Music" for the 1st time last year. That was a great song! A NEW track from MY FAVORITE Prince incarnation. I didn't even know it existed before that.

He is you as you are me and we are all together.

Number23 said:

DEEP

Mcwatson68 said:

Unfortunately that says more about you than you probably wanted to reveal.

Mcwatson68 said:

You need to go here:

www.headfromassremovalsystems.com

MrTation said:

I'm sorry, that was too funny...

MrTation said:

MrTation said:

[snippage! flame removed--Dansa] Just because I don't follow every stupid little thing he does with every musician under the sun doesn't mean a thing.

maceo parker wuz with james brown for a time as a horn player.[/quote]

dont forget parliament funkadelic

Scrapluv said:

yup, them too...thanx for remindin me

Mcwatson68 said:

sure it does...means that you have a bit of musical homework to do. yes, you don't have to know every blinkin thing but you have to have at least some basic knowledge about the folks that p's collaborated with over the years.

there's a lot more to mr. nelson than the stuff he did when the revolution wuz still goin. a lot more.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

That doesn't mean it's good. Most of the stuff he does with all these "great musicians" is pure shit.

Prince is Prince. Prince is not James Brown, Sly Stone, etc. Why don't you people get this? Prince was good when he was doing his own style. All he does now is try to be like all the other "soul bruthas" from the 70's. That's why he makes 100% shit now. Yes, you may like it, but don't expect everyone else to. There was a time when he was groundbreaking and original.

before i go any further i'ma say this: no name-calling or ridiculing's allowed here, so please cease with that shit and be respectful in your commentary/feedback. i ain't havin it, man.

Mcwatson68 said:

how? explain.


i find no validity in any of what you're sayin here. i'm just like you, mcwatson--i stick with p's older material as well. the stuff he did between '78 and '88 wuz all on point to me. he's still got the originality thing goin for 'im--thing of it is, you should know full-well that ol' boy changes constantly. image-wise, music-wise, whatever's clever.

the 'soul brotha' thing you speak of, he's pretty much been havin that from the get-go so i dunno what you're goin on about that for. sly and james? remember, those two were big influences for prince.

Mcwatson68 said:

It seems as if you don't care, but there is an undercurrent, nahhh, an overcurrent of racial animosity piling up in this entire thread from your posts. Whether you like his current music, or his current band is irrelavent to that fact.

I agree with supernova there does seem to be something of a disregard for music idioms that are predomiantly black. I have a feeling that certain orgers identify the "best" of prince when he is more pop oriented. Which can be read as whiter. Where as some of his funk/jazz/rap music is more easily dismissed because it doesn't cuturely appeal to them. The genuis of Prince moves across all these genres of music unfortunely that doesn't mean that all his fans can so fluidly move along with him. I'm sorry but at this point in his career (25 yrs) i find it simply incredible that he still has the drive and capabiltiy to produce works like TRC, Xpectations and N.E.W.S. He is still searching, still pushing himself into new intense directions. 99% percent of musicians in music right now could simply not produce N.E.W.S. I believe even most jazz musicians could not produce it. Not that they don't have chops but because they lack the vision (genius) to pull it together. Especially when u look at Prince's complete body of work. Only genius explans Prince. I understand a lot of people don't get N.E.W.S. A lot of great art is ignored by the masses. N.E.W.S. is simply not fast food.