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PrintableLet's be honest though... Prince in the 80s (back when he was famous) definitely tried to be ambiguous with his image with regard to sexuality and race. He did very well out of it. For most ordinary people who aren't Prince nutjobs, they remember Kiss and Purple Rain but the rest is an unknown quantity made of tabloid tidbits and stuff about the name-change. With his makeup on Prince is paler than I am FFS, so who could tell what his parentage was? | |
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ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now...  What I said is entirely true. Loads of people I've talked to, when I mentioned I was a Prince fan etc were surprised to hear he was black. Why would they know such details, if they don't give a shit about Prince anyway?
Think about it - for most non-fans, they remember Prince has this skinny, pale, caked-in-makeup androgynous little pixie from the early 80s, poncing about in purple lace and shit, playing pop music. I didn't know Prince's racial profile until I was more of a "fan" and had bought a few albums, and had read about him etc. Before that he was just Prince, a pop persona. Growing up in a country with a limited number of black people anyway (Ireland in the 80s was poor and had very few immigrants) Prince didn't look like any of the black men I knew at the time (e.g. James Brown, Lenny Henry, Martin Luther King). Frankly I think his sexually and racially ambiguous look worked in his favour in the 80s, in getting crossover success etc. Dizzam..Ireland must be a rednecks fantasy camp then lol. Modern Ireland is very multicultural and multicoloured. Since the boom in the 90s we've had a lot of immigration etc. Plenty of black Irish people nowadays. Back to the point though... most people who don't give a shit about Prince aren't aware he is black. A lot of people don't know he's heterosexual either, or that he lives in Minneapolis, or that he is a very proficient guitarist. I should have said it must have "been" a fantasy camp etc...oh I refuse to believe that those who odnt give a damn dont know Prince is black..he isnt that obscure..even in Ireland. Well disbelieve it all you like, but it's true. I know many people in the UK and Ireland who are not Prince fans. They remember Purple Rain, they remember roughly what he looks like - the purple, the lace, the makeup, the heels. They know his top 10 hits. But they have no idea about any of the rest of his music, or about where he is from or what his race is. Why would they be aware of that? Not everyone is as obsessed about race as Americans y'know  Now that's just dumb..just because america is supposely "obsessed" with race doesnt mean other countries are or should be oblivious that Dianbo Ross, MJ, etc are black or Adam Ant is white for example... "Climb in my fur." | |
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ian said: Let's be honest though... Prince in the 80s (back when he was famous) definitely tried to be ambiguous with his image with regard to sexuality and race. He did very well out of it. For most ordinary people who aren't Prince nutjobs, they remember Kiss and Purple Rain but the rest is an unknown quantity made of tabloid tidbits and stuff about the name-change. With his makeup on Prince is paler than I am FFS, so who could tell what his parentage was?
I agree with him trying to pass as someting else to a point..but still...I aint buying that "oh Prince is black? who knew?" stuff. Talk about naive oblivion "Climb in my fur." | |
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july said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now... What I said is entirely true. Loads of people I've talked to, when I mentioned I was a Prince fan etc were surprised to hear he was black. Why would they know such details, if they don't give a shit about Prince anyway?
Think about it - for most non-fans, they remember Prince has this skinny, pale, caked-in-makeup androgynous little pixie from the early 80s, poncing about in purple lace and shit, playing pop music. I didn't know Prince's racial profile until I was more of a "fan" and had bought a few albums, and had read about him etc. Before that he was just Prince, a pop persona. Growing up in a country with a limited number of black people anyway (Ireland in the 80s was poor and had very few immigrants) Prince didn't look like any of the black men I knew at the time (e.g. James Brown, Lenny Henry, Martin Luther King). Frankly I think his sexually and racially ambiguous look worked in his favour in the 80s, in getting crossover success etc. Dizzam..Ireland must be a rednecks fantasy camp then lol. Modern Ireland is very multicultural and multicoloured. Since the boom in the 90s we've had a lot of immigration etc. Plenty of black Irish people nowadays. Back to the point though... most people who don't give a shit about Prince aren't aware he is black. A lot of people don't know he's heterosexual either, or that he lives in Minneapolis, or that he is a very proficient guitarist. I should have said it must have "been" a fantasy camp etc...oh I refuse to believe that those who odnt give a damn dont know Prince is black..he isnt that obscure..even in Ireland. Thanks for starting a racial debate...  Shouldn't you be on your website answering to only your partners messages on the message board in th e web traffic of 2? "Climb in my fur." | |
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july said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now... Retarded? Ian ain't retared... Rdhull, you spelling worse than any of the peeps on here. So point ya finger in the mirror. Yeah, sure Prince is black...  Try to claim him so as to support you own image and ego...His parents already did that YEARS ago when they described themselves as such in different interviews. I'm 1000% sure they knew more about their own heritage than you or anyone else here who is uptight about Prince being described as BLACK. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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rdhull said: july said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now... What I said is entirely true. Loads of people I've talked to, when I mentioned I was a Prince fan etc were surprised to hear he was black. Why would they know such details, if they don't give a shit about Prince anyway?
Think about it - for most non-fans, they remember Prince has this skinny, pale, caked-in-makeup androgynous little pixie from the early 80s, poncing about in purple lace and shit, playing pop music. I didn't know Prince's racial profile until I was more of a "fan" and had bought a few albums, and had read about him etc. Before that he was just Prince, a pop persona. Growing up in a country with a limited number of black people anyway (Ireland in the 80s was poor and had very few immigrants) Prince didn't look like any of the black men I knew at the time (e.g. James Brown, Lenny Henry, Martin Luther King). Frankly I think his sexually and racially ambiguous look worked in his favour in the 80s, in getting crossover success etc. Dizzam..Ireland must be a rednecks fantasy camp then lol. Modern Ireland is very multicultural and multicoloured. Since the boom in the 90s we've had a lot of immigration etc. Plenty of black Irish people nowadays. Back to the point though... most people who don't give a shit about Prince aren't aware he is black. A lot of people don't know he's heterosexual either, or that he lives in Minneapolis, or that he is a very proficient guitarist. I should have said it must have "been" a fantasy camp etc...oh I refuse to believe that those who odnt give a damn dont know Prince is black..he isnt that obscure..even in Ireland. Thanks for starting a racial debate... Shouldn't you be on your website answering to only your partners messages on the message board in th e web traffic of 2? I only post on here...  Actually it's over 11,000 visitors... 
But that does not matter to me. It's just our personal website... | |
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rdhull said: ian said: Let's be honest though... Prince in the 80s (back when he was famous) definitely tried to be ambiguous with his image with regard to sexuality and race. He did very well out of it. For most ordinary people who aren't Prince nutjobs, they remember Kiss and Purple Rain but the rest is an unknown quantity made of tabloid tidbits and stuff about the name-change. With his makeup on Prince is paler than I am FFS, so who could tell what his parentage was?
I agree with him trying to pass as someting else to a point..but still...I aint buying that "oh Prince is black? who knew?" stuff. Talk about naive oblivion It's just the truth. Prince isn't that important for people to be aware of the fine details if they aren't fans.
A workmate of mine is in his thirties, and he's a talented musician. He loves his music, plays loads of instruments, but he's never had much exposure to black music - he is into stuff like Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel etc. He was totally surprised when I told him Prince was black. He's not the first who has reacted that way. I can't think of any reason why people would know such details... and I can't really figure out why you think everyone is aware of Prince's ethnicity... | |
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july said: Thanks for starting a racial debate...
and thank you for totally missin the point of this entire thread...
rd's correct on all points, and it all boils down to the syndrome i mentioned here earlier. | |
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Supernova said: july said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now... Retarded? Ian ain't retared... Rdhull, you spelling worse than any of the peeps on here. So point ya finger in the mirror. Yeah, sure Prince is black... Try to claim him so as to support you own image and ego...His parents already did that YEARS ago when they described themselves as such in different interviews. I'm 1000% sure they knew more about their own heritage than you or anyone else here who is uptight about Prince being described as BLACK. Oh, Rova... | |
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ian said: rdhull said: ian said: Let's be honest though... Prince in the 80s (back when he was famous) definitely tried to be ambiguous with his image with regard to sexuality and race. He did very well out of it. For most ordinary people who aren't Prince nutjobs, they remember Kiss and Purple Rain but the rest is an unknown quantity made of tabloid tidbits and stuff about the name-change. With his makeup on Prince is paler than I am FFS, so who could tell what his parentage was?
I agree with him trying to pass as someting else to a point..but still...I aint buying that "oh Prince is black? who knew?" stuff. Talk about naive oblivion It's just the truth. Prince isn't that important for people to be aware of the fine details if they aren't fans.
Im just saying that knowing a prominant entertainer is black or white isn't a "fine detail" regardless A workmate of mine is in his thirties, and he's a talented musician. He loves his music, plays loads of instruments, but he's never had much exposure to black music - he is into stuff like Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel etc. He was totally surprised when I told him Prince was black. He's not the first who has reacted that way. I can't think of any reason why people would know such details... and I can't really figure out why you think everyone is aware of Prince's ethnicity...
Yeah well I know someone who didnt know that Led Zeppelin sang Whole Lotta Love..had never heard the song until Prince did it so I guess Ireland is a really... different place altogether "Climb in my fur." | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: july said: Thanks for starting a racial debate...
and thank you for totally missin the point of this entire thread...
rd's correct on all points, and it all boils down to the syndrome i mentioned here earlier. Thanks Handclaps..Imm afraid the point has been missed..as per usual and as I should have expected even though putting it in quite elementary terms. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now... What I said is entirely true. Loads of people I've talked to, when I mentioned I was a Prince fan etc were surprised to hear he was black. Why would they know such details, if they don't give a shit about Prince anyway?
Think about it - for most non-fans, they remember Prince has this skinny, pale, caked-in-makeup androgynous little pixie from the early 80s, poncing about in purple lace and shit, playing pop music. I didn't know Prince's racial profile until I was more of a "fan" and had bought a few albums, and had read about him etc. Before that he was just Prince, a pop persona. Growing up in a country with a limited number of black people anyway (Ireland in the 80s was poor and had very few immigrants) Prince didn't look like any of the black men I knew at the time (e.g. James Brown, Lenny Henry, Martin Luther King). Frankly I think his sexually and racially ambiguous look worked in his favour in the 80s, in getting crossover success etc. Dizzam..Ireland must be a rednecks fantasy camp then lol. Modern Ireland is very multicultural and multicoloured. Since the boom in the 90s we've had a lot of immigration etc. Plenty of black Irish people nowadays. Back to the point though... most people who don't give a shit about Prince aren't aware he is black. A lot of people don't know he's heterosexual either, or that he lives in Minneapolis, or that he is a very proficient guitarist. I should have said it must have "been" a fantasy camp etc...oh I refuse to believe that those who odnt give a damn dont know Prince is black..he isnt that obscure..even in Ireland. Well disbelieve it all you like, but it's true. I know many people in the UK and Ireland who are not Prince fans. They remember Purple Rain, they remember roughly what he looks like - the purple, the lace, the makeup, the heels. They know his top 10 hits. But they have no idea about any of the rest of his music, or about where he is from or what his race is. Why would they be aware of that? Not everyone is as obsessed about race as Americans y'know Now that's just dumb..just because america is supposely "obsessed" with race doesnt mean other countries are or should be oblivious that Dianbo Ross, MJ, etc are black or Adam Ant is white for example... Ironically, MJ is better known as being a black entertainer than Prince. I think a lot of people are not aware of his racial identity, or they consider him an unknown quantity and do not care sufficiently to find out such details of the man. I guess if people actually remember his face (i.e. they aren't just remembering this cartoonish figure in purple and high heels) they might recognise him as being of mixed race but remember that Prince in 2003 looks a lot "blacker" than he did when he was caked in foundation in 1984. | |
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ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now... What I said is entirely true. Loads of people I've talked to, when I mentioned I was a Prince fan etc were surprised to hear he was black. Why would they know such details, if they don't give a shit about Prince anyway?
Think about it - for most non-fans, they remember Prince has this skinny, pale, caked-in-makeup androgynous little pixie from the early 80s, poncing about in purple lace and shit, playing pop music. I didn't know Prince's racial profile until I was more of a "fan" and had bought a few albums, and had read about him etc. Before that he was just Prince, a pop persona. Growing up in a country with a limited number of black people anyway (Ireland in the 80s was poor and had very few immigrants) Prince didn't look like any of the black men I knew at the time (e.g. James Brown, Lenny Henry, Martin Luther King). Frankly I think his sexually and racially ambiguous look worked in his favour in the 80s, in getting crossover success etc. Dizzam..Ireland must be a rednecks fantasy camp then lol. Modern Ireland is very multicultural and multicoloured. Since the boom in the 90s we've had a lot of immigration etc. Plenty of black Irish people nowadays. Back to the point though... most people who don't give a shit about Prince aren't aware he is black. A lot of people don't know he's heterosexual either, or that he lives in Minneapolis, or that he is a very proficient guitarist. I should have said it must have "been" a fantasy camp etc...oh I refuse to believe that those who odnt give a damn dont know Prince is black..he isnt that obscure..even in Ireland. Well disbelieve it all you like, but it's true. I know many people in the UK and Ireland who are not Prince fans. They remember Purple Rain, they remember roughly what he looks like - the purple, the lace, the makeup, the heels. They know his top 10 hits. But they have no idea about any of the rest of his music, or about where he is from or what his race is. Why would they be aware of that? Not everyone is as obsessed about race as Americans y'know Now that's just dumb..just because america is supposely "obsessed" with race doesnt mean other countries are or should be oblivious that Dianbo Ross, MJ, etc are black or Adam Ant is white for example... Ironically, MJ is better known as being a black entertainer than Prince. I think a lot of people are not aware of his racial identity, or they consider him an unknown quantity and do not care sufficiently to find out such details of the man. I guess if people actually remember his face (i.e. they aren't just remembering this cartoonish figure in purple and high heels) they might recognise him as being of mixed race but remember that Prince in 2003 looks a lot "blacker" than he did when he was caked in foundation in 1984. "Here we go round n round"-Van Halen "Round n round"-Ratt "Climb in my fur." | |
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This just in... Prince is black. Halley Berry is MIXED, but identifies herself as black. MJ is black...and male. Beyonc'e is black. Mya is black. Vanessa L. Williams is black. Eminem is white. Letters are being sent to the following to notify them that they are black: Wayne Brady Whoopie Goldberg Mariah Carey Tiger Woods Letters of notification have also been sent to the following to let them know that they are not: Christina Aguliera Justin Timberlake Jennifer Lopez Jillian Barbarie That is all. You may continue with your regularly scheduled Prince rants. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:6b4b794037:d73459fd43]You say Prince is a negrah?
[color=blue:6b4b794037:d73459fd43]Get a rope, fellas! 
[color=blue:6b4b794037:d73459fd43]Seriously, Prince gets bashed by fans because he screws them over; he gets bashed by black folk for being a shining example of the efeminated black male of the 80's and he gets bashed by white males because they secretly wanna BE him! All within the fanbase, of course. The rest of the world has almost forgotten about him or view him in a nostalgic sort of way.heheh thanks for your thoughts B Knight "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: Let's be honest though... Prince in the 80s (back when he was famous) definitely tried to be ambiguous with his image with regard to sexuality and race. He did very well out of it. For most ordinary people who aren't Prince nutjobs, they remember Kiss and Purple Rain but the rest is an unknown quantity made of tabloid tidbits and stuff about the name-change. With his makeup on Prince is paler than I am FFS, so who could tell what his parentage was?
I agree with him trying to pass as someting else to a point..but still...I aint buying that "oh Prince is black? who knew?" stuff. Talk about naive oblivion It's just the truth. Prince isn't that important for people to be aware of the fine details if they aren't fans.
Im just saying that knowing a prominant entertainer is black or white isn't a "fine detail" regardless A workmate of mine is in his thirties, and he's a talented musician. He loves his music, plays loads of instruments, but he's never had much exposure to black music - he is into stuff like Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel etc. He was totally surprised when I told him Prince was black. He's not the first who has reacted that way. I can't think of any reason why people would know such details... and I can't really figure out why you think everyone is aware of Prince's ethnicity...
Yeah well I know someone who didnt know that Led Zeppelin sang Whole Lotta Love..had never heard the song until Prince did it so I guess Ireland is a really... different place altogether Actually I live and work in Scotland at the moment so I was referring to a Scottish person
But I bet my mother isn't aware that Prince is black, and she's the same generation as Prince. With regard to race being "fine detail" - for other artists I'd agree with you, but for Prince his most famous era was as an androgynous pop-pixie. I mean, we all know Bono is a white guy from Ireland. We all know Bob Marley is a black guy with dreads. Prince is known not as a black entertainer but as a "skinny pale androgynous pop star who might be gay and wears purple and frilly shirts and high heels". The cartoony image Prince created for himself overshadowed himself as a person, as a black man, and as a musician at times. | |
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july said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now... Retarded? Ian ain't retared... Rdhull, you spelling worse than any of the peeps on here. So point ya finger in the mirror. Yeah, sure Prince is black... Try to claim him so as to support you own image and ego...:"whaaa? you's a foo"-NuPwrSoul by the way can we not say "peeps" anymore? "Climb in my fur." | |
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HerRoyalBadness said: lovebizzare said: HerRoyalBadness said: rdhull said: HerRoyalBadness said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: HerRoyalBadness said: NONE!
c'mon, now... Seriously I don't think it has anything to do with him being semi-black Especially when it's not that much to notice
If ya wanna get racial, be welcome - but that's too stupid "Semi black?" Whaaa? sounds like u describing semi gloss paint ...and "not that much to notice?" whaaa? lord
rd being "racial" Should I spell it out for U? He is NOT all black, and if he's a mixed nigga (sorry!) then I don't notice it. Understood?
"Good God, where are the intelligent ppl these days...?" just cause you're mixed doesn't mean racists will like ya... speaking as a umm, "semi-black" Never said that :misbelief: I'm just statin that P ain't all black - it's obvious!! Complexion has nothing to do with if a black person is mixed or not. If you were black, you would know this | |
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ian said: Ironically, MJ is better known as being a black entertainer than Prince.
umm, you gotta remember that mikey-poo is/was better known cuz he wuz pretty much an 'all-ages' affair cuz he wuz so clean-cut...appealed more to the masses, so to speak. princey, on the other hand, wuz only known for his naughtiness and how he pushed folks' buttons, the whole sexual thing...totally different end of the spectrum. they may be in the same boat, but still.... I think a lot of people are not aware of his racial identity, or they consider him an unknown quantity and do not care sufficiently to find out such details of the man. I guess if people actually remember his face (i.e. they aren't just remembering this cartoonish figure in purple and high heels) they might recognise him as being of mixed race but remember that Prince in 2003 looks a lot "blacker" than he did when he was caked in foundation in 1984.
the cat don't look no different than he did in '84...he may have a different style of dress, hairdo, what-have-you...but he still looks pretty much the same. ain't no "looking blacker" about it.  mine!
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BlaqueKnight said:
This just in... Prince is black. Halley Berry is MIXED, but identifies herself as black. MJ is black...and male. Beyonc'e is black. Mya is black. Vanessa L. Williams is black. Eminem is white. Letters are being sent to the following to notify them that they are black: Wayne Brady Whoopie Goldberg Mariah Carey Tiger Woods Letters of notification have also been sent to the following to let them know that they are not: Christina Aguliera Justin Timberlake Jennifer Lopez Jillian Barbarie That is all. You may continue with your regularly scheduled Prince rants.  | |
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ian said:[quote] rdhull said: ian said: rdhull said: ian said: Let's be honest though... Prince in the 80s (back when he was famous) definitely tried to be ambiguous with his image with regard to sexuality and race. He did very well out of it. For most ordinary people who aren't Prince nutjobs, they remember Kiss and Purple Rain but the rest is an unknown quantity made of tabloid tidbits and stuff about the name-change. With his makeup on Prince is paler than I am FFS, so who could tell what his parentage was?
I agree with him trying to pass as someting else to a point..but still...I aint buying that "oh Prince is black? who knew?" stuff. Talk about naive oblivion It's just the truth. Prince isn't that important for people to be aware of the fine details if they aren't fans.
Im just saying that knowing a prominant entertainer is black or white isn't a "fine detail" regardless A workmate of mine is in his thirties, and he's a talented musician. He loves his music, plays loads of instruments, but he's never had much exposure to black music - he is into stuff like Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel etc. He was totally surprised when I told him Prince was black. He's not the first who has reacted that way. I can't think of any reason why people would know such details... and I can't really figure out why you think everyone is aware of Prince's ethnicity...
Yeah well I know someone who didnt know that Led Zeppelin sang Whole Lotta Love..had never heard the song until Prince did it so I guess Ireland is a really... different place altogether Actually I live and work in Scotland at the moment so I was referring to a Scottish person
And I just KNEW u were gonna say it was in Scottland where u reside now etc..on my honor I did But I bet my mother isn't aware that Prince is black, and she's the same generation as Prince.
With regard to race being "fine detail" - for other artists I'd agree with you, but for Prince his most famous era was as an androgynous pop-pixie. I mean, we all know Bono is a white guy from Ireland. We all know Bob Marley is a black guy with dreads. Prince is known not as a black entertainer but as a "skinny pale androgynous pop star who might be gay and wears purple and frilly shirts and high heels". The cartoony image Prince created for himself overshadowed himself as a person, as a black man, and as a musician at times. Oh it did not..at least in america so u may be right. about the literal ignorance of the catastrophic obcvious..because there isnt perosn in america who then and now didnt know that Prince was black if they ever had any inkling to his existence...which I still dont buy "Climb in my fur." | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Letters are being sent to the following to notify them that they are black: Wayne Brady Whoopie Goldberg Mariah Carey Tiger Woods This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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july said: Supernova said: july said: rdhull said: ian said: Honestly, I think a lot of people who aren't Prince fans are probably not aware of Prince's "ethnicity". Obviously the fact that he is a light shade ("butterscotch") coupled with all the makeup he wore in the 80s and 90s coupled with the fact that he was doing pop music meant that for a lot of people Prince the 80s popstar persona they remember is of "unspecified" racial makeup.
And of course, if someone does know he is black, it can give rise to favourable comparisons with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Brown, Jimi Hendrix and other great black musicians. I've not heard it ever give rise to anything negative. When I first got into Prince, I had no idea who he was, where he was from, or what his race was. I didn't even know he was American really. I knew what he looked like from the videos of course, but this was the 80s and his androgynous look made it hard to tell. Ian No offense but man are u retarded..I can se her royalbadness or July saying non fans dont realize his ethnicity but come on..you tellin me the average person who isnt even a Prince fan doesn't know Prince is black? LOL please! And about givng rise to anything negatove./.of course u havent heard of anything like that..Im talking some subcojnmscious shit..somethng some folks dont even realize happens (but to some is plain as day to see this). Im not stating about something so simple as someone saying "Prince is a nigger"..come on now. And even that adrogyny and Michael Jackosn recent white woman lok ..I can fo sho tell thats a black person. Come on now... Retarded? Ian ain't retared... Rdhull, you spelling worse than any of the peeps on here. So point ya finger in the mirror. Yeah, sure Prince is black... Try to claim him so as to support you own image and ego...His parents already did that YEARS ago when they described themselves as such in different interviews. I'm 1000% sure they knew more about their own heritage than you or anyone else here who is uptight about Prince being described as BLACK. Oh, Rova... Sorry but Prince is liked everybody... and so is his music... Black white, green, purple and brown... Every color...  | |
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rdhull said: Oh it did not..at least in america so u may be right. about the literal ignorance of the catastrophic obcvious..because there isnt perosn in america who then and now didnt know that Prince was black if they ever had any inkling to his existence...which I still dont buy
In Europe in the 80s, there were lots of kooky bands and pop stars and they all looked equally outrageous. Prince was just one of those. Prince was never marketed here as a black artist, he was just sold as a pop star. Considering so much black music in the 60s, 70s and 80s never made it across the Atlantic, the charts here really had no frame of reference to judge Prince by. The brand Prince built up in the 80s at the peak of his success in Europe was very much a caricature of himself and this larger-than-life pop person absolutely did overshadow the music and the man. Prince even to this day is not widely appreciated for his artistry and his musicianship. The image of that pouting high-camp pop star in purple is still what people think of unfortunately. Great shame. | |
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In the 1985 Rolling Srone interview, Prince said "The only reason people compare me to Jimi Hendrix is because we're both black." | |
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[Snip. Flame removed. Ian] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: [Snip. Flame removed. Ian]
Hehe, July/Luvy and HerRoyalBadness aren't really bringing a decent opposing argument to the table here.  | |
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july said: Sorry but Prince is liked everybody... and so is his music... Black white, green, purple and brown...
Every color... and here you go, missin the point yet again...all of what you said is known, but you still ain't addin on to the conversation at hand, dear... | |
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with my moderator hat on now...
please guys keep it civil and keep it on topic. flames will be met with an ass-whooping. thanx, carry on | |
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Ian wrote, "Prince didn't look like any of the black men I knew at the time (e.g. James Brown, Lenny Henry, Martin Luther King)."
I never thought I'd see Lenny Henry mentioned in the same sentence as Prince!!! Kudos, Ian, for what is probably a first. For those of you who either didn't realize Prince was black or know of people who didn't realize it, you are not alone. A quick search on the internet revealed the following quotes: "Wait a minute... Prince is black? I never noticed that!" "It is easy for a lot of people to forget that Prince is black. But he is." "Also mistaken. Prince is white." "Prince is black???" | |
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