KingSausage said:

you really should post stinkweasalteats insanely brilliant post about "okay if prince were fritos" post. I swear that has got to be one of my all-time favorite posts. It so bad it's good.

"if prince were fritos, and I decided that I didn't like fritos anymore, and... well the moral of the analogy is GET OUT!"

cborgman said:

That was a work of art. Perhaps they were taking the NPG chant of "get stupid" too literally!

KingSausage said:

GET STUPID! GET STUPID! PRINCE IS FRITOS!

Well, I've known the King for a long time and here's my conclusion :

He's bored with Prince right now.

So am I.

Why?

Prince has been too serious for too long. First he was so serious about his fight with the majors that it distracted him from the artistic process, skimming on the sheer musicianship for which he was known. Since TRC, Prince has been so serious about musicianship itself that he's in danger of being too academic and formal.

Prince at his best has always been a mix of musicianship and pop savvy. The period we're going through is more interesting than we care to admit, and I think most of the serious fans will realize that if Prince ever makes great music in a lighter mode again.

Boeie.

cborgman said:

where's ian and his fritos avatar when ya need it?!!

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

I am saying! Saddam needs to appear, that cat LOVED fritos!

KingSausage said:

I would never go to a De Niro website to debate about his new movies. When I happen to be fed up with Prince I fucking MOVE ON. I listen to somethiong else. I forget him completely and then when I am aware something new is released I listen to his new stuff.

My point is by spending so much time listening to one artist, collecting bootlegs, debating on dedicated sites about this artist, you become sick of the all thing. It's completely natural.

But you...instead of moving on, you carry on debating the same old tired shit over and over again.

Aerogram said:

If I was from the Paisley Taliban or one of those fucking idiot fams I would approve everything Prince does or say. It's certainly not my case.

What he is at right now is what I had expected for a long time. I have hated the 96-2000 era so much I'm satisfied now. Do I have the right or is it forbidden ?

KingSausage said:

You are right, that is somewhat of a harsh way of putting it. But that is my stance for those who have bitched about the quality, quantity and servicing of product since was released. I don't particularly care for an abundance of Prince's releases during the latter 90s. However, I can appreciate it for what it is and have the common sense to skip the material I don't like.

In the meantime, you won't find me flooding these boards with shit like "Prince is fucking his fans over because he won't release good music like Roadhouse Garden, the Vault, etc. like he promised...Wahhh..Wahhh...Wahh " or the ever so classic "Prince is always dangling carrots in my fucking face to get my money" It's amusing at times, but at the same time it's like wondering why Wile E. Coyote never stopped chasing that fucking Roadrunner when he knew all he would wind up with was a fucking ACME anvil on top of his head.

And you're right, it's time to stop constituting what makes a real Prince fan. It's truly time to decide who able to still deal with the erradic behaviour of Prince. That's what differentiates dislike from straight up bitching. As an artist, he hasn't changed. I guess what it boils down to is this. Like or dislike what you want in Prince's catalog; but accept how Prince is and has been an artist and a business man before you attempt to keep with him. Otherwise, don't bother bitching about anything he does.
[This message was edited Fri Aug 22 14:17:44 PDT 2003 by StinkyWeaselTeats]

cborgman said:

And you... get off my Fritos.

StinkyWeaselTeats said:

I wish I could... sorry, it's too damn funny. I hope you are not offended, it just really made my day.

cborgman said:

mine too. really, it was so funny but i think we both got the point you were trying to make. just when whomever called you on it was like 'WTF??' you just said, 'OK, it was a bad analogy, but an analogy nonetheless'.

VINCENT said:

NEWSFLASH: This is ONE thread. There's no "debating the same old tired shit over and over again" here.

This thread is about "moving on," as you so wisely suggest. It's about seeing if other longtime .Orgers also have the urge to move on, with reluctance. And, in case you haven't noticed, I'm not alone here.


You still have yet to give ONE GOOD REASON why a person shouldn't create such a thread. Instead, you've just vented over and over with some lame excuse, failing to cover up the fact that you're sassy because we're criticizing your Purple God.

StinkyWeaselTeats said:

You make some excellent points! I agree that people who are here for years always bitching about falling for Prince's ill-fated business deals can get annoying. However, there are many people (NOT you) who confuse those perpetual whiners with people who honestly just don't like the last couple of albums, etc. They might still like the old shit...they might still have faith that the next album will be right up their alley...

Basically, and I think we probably agree here, there needs to be a change of tone on the .Org. We all need to quit telling each other to leave, etc. We all like different parts of Prince's works; we will dislike some of his future works. Nobody has the claim on who belongs here, other than the moderators.

KingSausage said:

So you really think you were the first one to come up with a thread about being tired with Prince and moving on. LOL

For fuck sake do some search. Read the numerous posts about it on the org and amp.

KingSausage said:

Hon, whether you like Prince or not, it really doesn't matter. It still won't change them dollar bills in his bank account, believe me...

C Ya!

hi,
you wanted to hear from real humans.. hope i am human and real ! i dont blame you 1 bit for being fed up with prince, he is a wonderful artist, but a real pain in the arse !

i think there is 3 types of prince fan

1. guys like you who have simply had enough of his shit.

2.guys like me who still only just !!! and i mean only just !!! put up with his shit because i still do like his releases.

3. this is where it is really fked up , the nutcases who cant take any criticism of prince at all . i tried to post a message on this site about the new dvd and because i questioned the quality i got some ropey replies telling me to f,.k off etc if prince isnt careful he,s going to be left with only braindead fans who will accept anything in any quality he decides to release it in, when this happens i'd say he's finished.

finally, i believe prince is surrounded by yes men who tell him what he wants to hear. people just like the nutter fans who will just not criticise. this is a useless situation when he had a record deal he would be told you cant release blah blah because the quality is shit or you cant release a certain album because it aint good enough.as long as no one is telling him the truth at source and the nutter fans will buy anything he releases, and say its bril. if another fan says its shit , the guy who say's its shit is accused of not being a fan at all. prince as i said earlier will be finito !!!

danielboon a fan of prince for 19 years

hahahaha his name is daniel boon LOLOL

I am in the same boat as you KingSausage. And I bet a whole lot of others who have been fans for a long, long time are. I also bet many have already left... Which is a very sad thing if you ask me, because most of it could have been prevented, if only... he had some sense of reality.

You ask what caused it... Since I can't speak for you I won't try to analyse your reasons, but I can speak for myself and for me it boils down to a combination of reasons which are making me lose my interest in Prince music...
Naming some of the most important ones:

The lack of feeling his new music carries.
Tho' I think TRC is a brilliant album musically,... emotionally it doesn't move me... like his music used to.

The total lack of good business practices.
Tho' I truly supported the NPGMC in its early stages it has fucked me and so many other fans over so often that I no longer have a shred of confidence in it left, nor in any of Prince's other businesses.

The lack of honesty he and the npgmc display
Tho' I have never had a problem with Prince's religious/ spiritual messages, he has made such a 180 in his religious philosophies that I can no longer take it serious when he talks about "the truth". The man is contradicting himself so much it is getting pathetic and very hypocritical.

The lack of knowledge and wisdom he displays.
Tho' I always wished Prince would write some more interesting lyrics displaying his thoughts on history and society, recently he has went on such a revisionist and nearly racist trip (the Moors in Spain was really fucked)that completely contradicts everything he stood for for so long. That was probably the straw that broke the camel's back with me. Which is sad, because I used to really like his interracial lyrics. Now he is just writing segregational shit, that doesn't even come close to the REAL "truth".

The lack of respect for his older music and older fans.
Tho' I have never expected Prince to repeat himelf musically, I have never either wished him to butcher his old jams by editing all the cussing out or anything else he may not agree with anymore. Nor have I ever wanted him to totally stop playing his old songs live..., but he does.

The lack of being able to let go of Warner.
Tho' I supported him in his "freedom" fight during the early to mid 90's, because he wanted to release all the stuff fans wanted him and WB to release (all the bootlegs, concerts and outtakes e.g), his dispute with Warner has been going on for a decade already and it is still not solved, nor is Prince releasing what he said he would. This has a lot to do with his lack of honesty and respect in general.

The lack of a sense of reality.
Tho' I didn't used to bitch at "fams", Prince and his croonies at the club are clearly saying that they ONLY want fans to act like fams and if they don't they can leave. No criticism is allowed. "Ain't no room for disagree". Like stinkyweaseltits is saying "if you don't like ... leave!" Like the whole world is either black... or white. Which is exactly how Prince is expressing himself the last couple of years: you are either this or that, black or white. Truly sad and totally contradicting evrything he used to stand for...

Coming from a man who use to embrace anybody coming from anywhere, any color, any social background, any kind of music, with a common sense of appreciation for diversity.

Funny as it may seem I am still interested in what's going in Prince world. Perhabs that's because I have been a fan for some 15 years...

The problem tho' is that that there is very little reason left to still actually LIKE it. Just take a look at all the pathetic bitching that has been going around in here when some fan just says he doesn't like NEWS or got fed up with being fucked over they get told to either like it or to get the fuck out.

Perhabs one day these dark days will be over. Tho' I bet some fams will now say...: Listen to Strange but true!!! he says it there: "you may have lost me, but I found myself... The ones who love me without condition , this is my wealth"
Exactly Prince wants you to love him WITHOUT condition. That could mean he can take your money and run and you still should love him.

That's where Prince is at right now and yeah... it sucks.

Abrazo said:

well said

Again this whole topic is way too long to read it all.
But i fully understand what you feel. I'm dealing with the same feelings. My (short) thought is that most people in some way get a little bit more mature when getting older.. with Prince -and i have to admid i really don't know him personally - i have the feeling that he narrowed his own life through religion etc.. I say it once again, i never met the guy, just like most/all of us i have to destilate from what i read and hear through the NPGMC. But it gives a pretty good basic picture.
First of all i don't like the NPGMC. It's so unpersonal compared to other far much better fan and music (!!!) oriented websites of less greater artists as well as top artists.) WHat is there to be listened to at Prince's website? some midi files that can be mixed??
Prince definately is ageing and thats pretty ok, me too , but he lost it at an earlier stage in his life.. ie: the early nineties. It's not because of the succes of Diamonds and Pearls that he's good or getting better. My thought is that on Diamonds and Pearls as wel as on the symbol album there aren't that much great tunes, compared to the early days.
Maybe he got scared of life somehow, that's what i feel. He needs religion so bad to hold on to. And by that time, the early nineties, it only got worse (from '88 on in fact.)
And i don't want to blame him for that, but i have to admid i think it's sad that such a great musician (not artist!) lost his mind somehow when he decided to avoid things in life like cursing and some behaviour that made him great..etc.
I'm very sure, that, if i had a long conversation with Prince, about religion or anything, he probably will come to an end conclusion that there is only one great religion and that is his.
He lost his emotional intelligence devellopment somewhere.. maybe. i don't know. But i feel what u say, and i don't hear the 'sprakling' in his music anymore. And i certainly don't like the 'tight' bands he plays with over the past ten years or so. The former less 'tight' bands of the early days had more colour and edge than any band of the nineties.. that's it. That's what he lost as well: the underground feel of daring to play a mistake, a false note. A musical coincidence. I guess that if you play a false note now these days in prince's band, you get kicked out.
But the man is great in what he accomplished that's for sure.
Peace. And i still do and try to love him as well as his music. But i'm loosing it as well. The hype for me is totally gone.
But he interestst me now in another way, like why he didn't achieved what he actually wanted very hard so, and is now trying to live with it - but giving it a 180° u-turn in other musical directions and so, of which i don't believe that it is realy 'that' what he wants. Let's call it the psychological site of things,that i'm getting more intersted in.
"Prince, yo hear me? say 'goddamned', say 'fuck you', say 'piss off mutherfucker', try to live again, get on the street with a bike in jeans and smokie a goddamn joint" ))

You said this :

The problem tho' is that that there is very little reason left to still actually LIKE it. Just take a look at all the pathetic bitching that has been going around in here when some fan just says he doesn't like NEWS or got fed up with being fucked over they get told to either like it or to get the fuck out.

Perhabs one day these dark days will be over. Tho' I bet some fams will now say...: Listen to Strange but true!!! he says it there: "you may have lost me, but I found myself... The ones who love me without condition , this is my wealth"
Exactly Prince wants you to love him WITHOUT condition. That could mean he can take your money and run and you still should love him.

And i just have to take a deep breath, and admid it in some way.
Prince's ideal fans right now are rich; religious; goodlooking of course, just like the painted people on his website: some kind of funkyness with measurments, a tan, a white artificial smile and a small wallet with creditcards; and no heavy tatoo's or any weird t-shirts with comments on society! ) naaah, i'm just joking. but think about it..

DOROTHYPARK said:

Actually the reason why I still visit the org every now and then is to discuss topics like this with (non) like-minded fans and have a a laugh. That is not something I personally would expect to find on Prince's site...

If there is one thing that definitly still keeps me interested in Prince then it is prince.org and its members.
So maybe this site should be called princefans.org... naaah that sounds too much like princefams.com!

DOROTHYPARK said:

That's for sure indeed. It's a really huge shame tho'that he is and has been throwing it all away... and for what???!!!

I can only speculate about the reason.