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VIBE Magazine lists '1999' as "Classic That Changed Urban Music"

from Vibe:


What is influence, and how does one measure it? It can be intangibly subtle, even invisible. But it changes that which it occupies so completely that a world without its effects becomes difficult, or impossible, to imagine. Try picturing a world without telephones or automobiles.

Similarly, what would the last 10 years of music have been without the preceding example and legacy of Prince Rogers Nelson and his landmark 1983 breakthrough album 1999?

After all, the album's somber "Little Red Corvette" did introduce Prince to millions and set the stage for his biggest selling album, 'Purple Rain'.

Prince's influence includes, of course, all the artists who sprung directly from his Minneapolis/Paisley Park loins-Sheila E., Vanity, Morris Day, The Time. But that's just the easy part. Take Janet Jackson: Her longtime association with The Time's core members-Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis-marks her as one of Prince's progeny, too. (This is something those who listen to 'Control' or peep Janet's early eye-hidden-behind-a-curl styling will not dispute.)

Then there are those who weren't in Prince's camp, didn't necessarily cover his records, and didn't record during his years of peak sales, but have, without a doubt, lifted more than a lick from him. Certainly, Prince's fearless puree of funk, rock, pop, soul, and other genres has shaped many careers, including any post-1999 popular musician whose work is deemed a "seamless blend" of those forms-such as Me'Shell Ndegeocello, Beck, Lenny Kravitz, and No Doubt.

Sometimes Prince's presence is more overt: TLC's "Red Light Special" -from T-Boz's sandy, slow-drag vocal, to the mounful, bruised guitar solo, to the salacious lyrics-practically screams "Prince was here!" Hands down, though, the award for "Best Recording of a Prince Song That Isn't A Prince Song" goes to D'Angelo, for "Untitled (How Does It Feel)". D's entire career suggests he was conceived under a full purple moon. But "Untitled"- with it's soft and wet, just-behind-the-beat bass and guitar, and D'Angelo's alternately tender, then banshee-howl falsetto-shows that even the most remarkable talents copy-whether deliberately or unconsciously.

Ultimately, the best way to size up Prince's contribution is to envision its absence: To try to imagine, say, R. Kelly's, Jodeci's, OutKast's, N.E.R.D.'s, or Macy Gray's sexual freakiness without the precession of Prince's purple flasher's raincoat. Try and conceive hip hop's unlimited frankness, minus Prince having already declared, "I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth" on 1999's 'Let's Pretend We're Married', completely ripping the lid off what one could say on a record.

Prince's influence has rarely been as concrete as a digital sample, like Timbaland's brief excise of the cooing baby from 1999's 'Delirious' for Aaliyah's 'Are You That Somebody?' More often than not, Prince has led by example, by showing that it's okay to go in a certain direction.

Still, measuring his imprint on music is most difficult because his output has been so diverse. Trying to track his influence is like lighting a Roman candle, then trying to track every burning piece of gunpowder. All you can be expected to report is that it was loud, it was colorful, and, man, it lit up the sky like nothing anyone had ever seen before, or since.


This article simply echoes what I've been screaming to other fams for years now. '1999' not only stands as one of Prince's greatest albums, but was a masterstroke that literally changed the sound of popular black music.
[This message was edited Thu Aug 7 14:47:05 PDT 2003 by violator]
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Reply #1 posted 08/07/03 1:59pm

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Very true. And a cool article in a cool mag.
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Reply #2 posted 08/07/03 2:05pm

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In short, everything these hip-pop stars are doing today, Prince did it first...and better.
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Reply #3 posted 08/07/03 2:42pm

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very nice.
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Reply #4 posted 08/07/03 2:47pm

Marrk

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True. every last word.
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Reply #5 posted 08/07/03 3:14pm

June19

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This is the true legacy Prince will always have...

I'm so so tired of this dark cloud following him...Prince will always be the pioneer and leader in new musical direction...he always did it first...and the rest just followed...

And if U say.."Well he has matured so he has no need 2 sing those former lyrics..."...well until Prince lets that slip from his lips..in his head
hewillalwaysbesinginthoseclassicwords...

And when its just him...in those lovely walls of Paisley...he lets those words of old rip...just 4 ol time sake...

king
June 19's Pop Culture Commentary - Beyonce'
- "Besides as much as I love her...she's still a 2 piece, biscuit, hot pepper and strawberry soda away from blowin up... So yes...she's a plain jane like the rest of us..."
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Reply #6 posted 08/07/03 3:39pm

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violator said:

Though the award for "Best Recording of a Prince Song That Isn't A Prince Song" goes to D'Angelo, for "Untitled (How Does It Feel)".

to this day i don't see what all the fuss is about. an ode; musically ('adore') and lyrically (one word: sex). but don't forget d's signature is all over it. i read "prince rip-off", though i think prince would have died to write a song like this nowadays.

D's entire career suggests he was conceived under a full purple moon.

bullshit! who wrote this article? saying you respect artists, doesn't mean you want your music to sound like them. how can 'brown sugar' be compared to prince material. 'voodoo' shows prince influence at sparse moments. it's just the falsetto and the marketing of the record that makes everybody say: "he's trying to sound like prince." the live show spiced that up even more. that's where the real influence was noticable.
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Reply #7 posted 08/07/03 4:29pm

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as posted by purple one:
bullshit! who wrote this article? saying you respect artists, doesn't mean you want your music to sound like them. how can 'brown sugar' be compared to prince material. 'voodoo' shows prince influence at sparse moments. it's just the falsetto and the marketing of the record that makes everybody say: "he's trying to sound like prince." the live show spiced that up even more. that's where the real influence was noticable


I think that D has a heavy Prince influence as well. I also think that 'Voodoo' has a more mature sound than 'Brown Sugar'. Not coincidentally, with that maturity came music that exposed his Prince influence. I mean, let's be honest, for the casual listener, 'Untitled' could have easily been mistaken for Prince himself. Also other flourishes like the drum intro for 'Africa' which was a blatant lift of 'New Position', doesn't help his cause.

But I understand the gist of your post which suggests that D is certainly an individualistic, creative mind in his own right.

I do second that notion.
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Reply #8 posted 08/07/03 5:43pm

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Great and true article but what cooing baby in "Delirous"? Guess I'll have to listen really close next time.
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Reply #9 posted 08/07/03 6:41pm

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Wow. Reading this article made me soo happy.

Glad to see a widely read hip magazine like Vibe is reminding people of why Prince deserves his due and bow forever and ever and ever.


amen.
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Reply #10 posted 08/07/03 6:49pm

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VinnyM27 said:

Great and true article but what cooing baby in "Delirous"? Guess I'll have to listen really close next time.


Right at the very end. You can't miss it.
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Reply #11 posted 08/07/03 8:18pm

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violator said:[quote]
as posted by purple one:
bullshit! who wrote this article? saying you respect artists, doesn't mean you want your music to sound like them. how can 'brown sugar' be compared to prince material. 'voodoo' shows prince influence at sparse moments. it's just the falsetto and the marketing of the record that makes everybody say: "he's trying to sound like prince." the live show spiced that up even more. that's where the real influence was noticable


I think that D has a heavy Prince influence as well. I also think that 'Voodoo' has a more mature sound than 'Brown Sugar'. Not coincidentally, with that maturity came music that exposed his Prince influence. I mean, let's be honest, for the casual listener, 'Untitled' could have easily been mistaken for Prince himself. Also other flourishes like the drum intro for 'Africa' which was a blatant lift of 'New Position', doesn't help his cause.

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And the fact that ?uestlove, who worships Prince also, is a producer on the album doesn't help either.
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Reply #12 posted 08/08/03 11:40am

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as posted by doeineffect:
And the fact that ?uestlove, who worships Prince also, is a producer on the album doesn't help either.


It was ?uestlove who actually made the lift of the drum sound from 'New Position'

D' aside, it was just nice for someone to acknowledge the overall effect that '1999' had popular black music. I've always maintained that while 'Purple Rain' made him rich and famous, '1999' made him a musical icon.
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Reply #13 posted 08/08/03 12:03pm

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People need to recognize how wide P's influence was... Not just musically, but his musical fearlessness, and diversity. This article is in Vibe, which is important, 'cause Vibe is pretty mainstream these days.

NOW, Don't hate the writer 4 his D'Angelo comments... Mr. Archer (D'Angelo) was more obsessed with Prince than most orgers... Posters on the walls, etc. Studying every step and move in live concerts, etc. If anything, you have to admit the vocal influence. I mean he influenced me heavily, musically and vocally, even though I already was influenced by Funk, Jazz, R&B, Rock, etc. before I first heard the ALBUM 1999. When I was listening to 1999, I read the credits, saw that he played nearly everything on the album, and THAT's when I got every album before 1999 (and after). A real do-it-yourself artist, before technology made it so damn easy for the "producers" of present day.
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Reply #14 posted 08/08/03 12:29pm

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doeineffect said:[quote]

violator said:

I mean, let's be honest, for the casual listener, 'Untitled' could have easily been mistaken for Prince himself. Also other flourishes like the drum intro for 'Africa' which was a blatant lift of 'New Position', doesn't help his cause.

that's my point exactly.

besides 'untitled' and 'africa', give me one more example of a prince influence on 'voodoo'.

and don't say the falsetto. prince wasn't the first in using his.

maybe it's the way he uses it that gives prince his signature sound.

just don't forget d has got his own signature vocal thing going on.

i'm glad d listens to prince. don't get me wrong. i'm glad he uses prince as an example.

however, i do want to emphasize on the fact that i think d is a unique artist. and i think he gets compared too often to the greats in a way suggesting he isn't unique, but just a talented dude doing what those greats did.

And the fact that ?uestlove, who worships Prince also, is a producer on the album doesn't help either.

that's another story.

though ?uestlove was "just" the drummer on the album and not a producer.

he was a big influence on d at the time.
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Reply #15 posted 08/08/03 1:28pm

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this is the first album I had access to as a kid and it hooked me for life...
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Reply #16 posted 08/08/03 1:50pm

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as posted by purple one:
that's my point exactly.

besides 'untitled' and 'africa', give me one more example of a prince influence on 'voodoo'.



Those examples given don't exactly strike me as musically influenced, but rather blatant copies of Prince's musical style.

Influences in music should be much more subtle. And ultimately drive an artist to tap into their own creative stylings. I do think, where Prince is concerned, D'Angelo shows evidence of that very influence throughout his music. Also because of a strong hip-hop sensibility it meshes into something uniquely his own.

But I think without ever hearing it said, I would have been able to easily decipher that D'Angelo was a fan of Prince. Considering that, I think the writer's comment about D was fair.
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Reply #17 posted 08/08/03 3:46pm

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violator said:

as posted by purple one:
that's my point exactly.

besides 'untitled' and 'africa', give me one more example of a prince influence on 'voodoo'.



Those examples given don't exactly strike me as musically influenced, but rather blatant copies of Prince's musical style.

Influences in music should be much more subtle. And ultimately drive an artist to tap into their own creative stylings. I do think, where Prince is concerned, D'Angelo shows evidence of that very influence throughout his music. Also because of a strong hip-hop sensibility it meshes into something uniquely his own.

But I think without ever hearing it said, I would have been able to easily decipher that D'Angelo was a fan of Prince. Considering that, I think the writer's comment about D was fair.

don't exagerate.

'africa'--suggests no influence or copy of prince's work except for the drums that are obviously taking from the beginning of 'i wonder u'. only a true prince fan would notice such a thing.

'untitled'--hey, of course, the video, the music, the lyrics, everybody saying it's an ode to--influence is absolutely there without a doubt.

not one other song reminds me of prince though. only 'chicken grease' for obvious reasons. but the rest of the album reminds me of totally different music than early prince.

it's cool you feel different though. like i said, i like the fact that d respects the artist i listen to most besides him.

could go on and on. but i'm tired. so, i won't.
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purple music does the same to my brain
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Reply #18 posted 08/08/03 4:00pm

egyptianEyes

awesome article. rings true to my ears.
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Reply #19 posted 08/08/03 9:19pm

beautifulone7

What issue of Vibe is this article in?
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Reply #20 posted 08/08/03 11:28pm

Moonbeam

"1999" is the greatest album ever recorded- period!
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Reply #21 posted 08/09/03 8:02am

violator

as posted by beautifulone7:
What issue of Vibe is this article in?


It's their 15th anniversary issue, which may or may not be available for purchase yet. I have a subscription, so I got mine a few days back.
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