jn2 said:

None of them are widely circulating except "Strange Way of Saying Eye Love U".

This thread has only 20+ posts, without mines, and "Mis-Spell an Orger's name." more than 200..
I think that we deserve all this shit

jn2 said:

yeah, but till ol' boy gets a clue we ain't gettin none of those tracks legitimately.

Personally, I'm resigned to the fact that any of his old music will very likely NEVER be released. No sweat off my back...

You guys (and gals) should try it too...it'll relieve all that pent up stress over P's releasing of music you don't think he should be doing. Then maybe all the hub-bub would die about the so called vault and what he should be putting out.

I wouldn't be surprised if P (in a move to spite all these know-it-all-so-called fans) decided to cremate all his masters with him when he goes. It would serve ya'll right for how ungrateful too many of us have become.

The Kiss extended isnt worth the time... its better short, its just enough.

codshort said:

eh, you can't take it all with you when you go.

I wouldn't be surprised if P (in a move to spite all these know-it-all-so-called fans) decided to cremate all his masters with him when he goes.
I wouldn't be suprised either and there would be still people to explain that Larry's influence on P has been great
Crystall Ball vol 2 or Roadhouse Garden aren't titles that have been made up by some of us + isn't Interactive a P's song after all ?
The Kiss extended isnt worth the time...
I love the one that ends the 86 Detroit concert
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maybe if we all start sharing the boots, thus appeal to prince's greedy side, he will release them in a desperate attempt to make a few bucks. all of us npgmc members can just send a friendly note or post telling "the club" that we will be sharing and trading all bootleg recordings since prince is not interested in providing them to us. at the very least, we can all expand our collections!

There is nothing that we as members or fans could do to convince him to release the stuff from the vaults. By now, you'd think he'd have recognized how ravinous his fans are and how much his stuff is bootlegged. Knowing how much P likes the money, surely he would have already begun to capitalize on this market. Obviously, he has no interest in focusing on his past work, nor releasing it so many of us can write off his present and/or future projects in favor of those old tunes.

Clamoring for the vault tunes and pitching a fit when only new music comes from PP is clearly not serving to convince him to do what many want him to, so why waste your time bitching about everything that is NOT from the vault, as many are doing?


Handclaps...now sista, you know he would try! I can just see the headlines now... "reclusive, eccentric 80's pop-icon, Prince, continues his strange ways from beyond the grave...fans in an uproar!!!"...with some comment from some deranged fan about how P sux for dying and denying HIM the right to hear the vault tunes.

prince will probably burn his vault down to the ground just before he dies...blowing the match out with his final breath!

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

I think that this is a great idea. A lot of ppl have the music that we are requesting. However few of them are willing to part with it for under $100 per disc. I am not willing to pay that. I know that there are a great number of ppl out there who would be greatful for a release with a decent number of trax at a reasonable price. And it would sell greatly. Our Fearfull Leader has taken to hiding behind that which he choose 2 break down in his earlier work. He is letting his religion take away from his creativity and it is showing. A man is only responsible to those who made him what he is today. I understand that religion is playing a big part in his life at this point in time...however, he is letting it destroy what fan base he has left. I know that there will be ppl out there who will forever continue to await the next release with solvent palms...willing to take whatever scrap he is willing to throw. And I know that he has enough money to never worry about actually selling another album again, but does he want to remain relevent to todays music, or sink into the past with everyone else that he dominated in the 1980's? I will no longer buy that which I deem to be unworthy. I made a big mistake with TRC. If I wanna hear preaching, I will gladly get my ass up outta bed on Sunday morning and report to the only church that I need.

_Your God Is Inside & For That God U Will Do_

codshort said:

"he didn't let us hear any of what he had in the vault, damn him, bla blablablabla"--yeah, some stark-ravin mad fan would say sumfin along those lines probably. but most folks would say sumfin to the point of, "there were a lot of songs that didn't get to see the light of day, and if they were remastered somehow they'd be very worthy of a proper release to the public. why'd he torch it all?"

nonetheless, either way ol' boy's gonna be standin in line at the pearly gates and somebody gonna be whisperin about that shit...betcha he'd start kickin himself square in his own behind for not doin sumfin about it while he wuz still amongst the livin.



mine!!!

alexnevermind319 said:

Alex, how exactly has his religion taking away from his creativity? Personally, I think his foray into jazz based music is more creative than the same old funk/pop/rock stuff he used to do, if only because it's not a genre he's explored before in depth.

I don't think he cares about being "relavent" to today's music. Nowdays, 95% of the stuff released is garbage, and rarely are we hearing truly creative people via radio and the mainstream. Nor is he living in the past,m as evidenced by his reluctance to release the vault and have his fans only focus on that past work. He is all about the now and the future.

As far as the preaching, I hear little of it in his contemporary stuff. TRC touched on his new-found love of God, but not so much more than many of his old works. Since then, there's really been no religious dogma in his work. Before, P focused mainly on the "sex of it", then spirituality 2nd. Now his work reflects his desire to represent himself better in the eyes of God. For me, the incessant sex-fiend aspect of the former P, truly overshadowed his musical mastery. I'd much rather have a P who worships God first, than the sex-fiend P of old. We all have to grow up sometimes and realize the world is bigger and more involved than where's the next lay coming from...

codshort said:

i agree with most of what you're saying, codshort, but i don't see what it has to do with releasing new material. if he is "free" to release what he wants, when he wants, nothing is to stop him from releasing some old stuff and then some new stuff. then more old stuff, then more new stuff...and so on and so on. i personally think, as a musician, he knows his vaulted material is superior or equal to his current stuff. prince has an ego. sometimes he lets that ego f up his musical path. if he would just say to himself, and the public, "this is who i was, now check out who i am" it would make a great statement. far greater than just sitting on some awesome material. trc was a brilliant album...the best since lovesexy as far as i'm concerned...so, i know that groove is still there. what is so wrong with fans getting the taste of some music they've waited years and years for. prince can certainly make as many albums per year as he wants...double, single or boxed set, it won't matter...peeps will buy them. why not make a couple thousand people very happy and puch your new stuff in the process. he could release a double disc of old material and new material. then he still stays current while acknowledging his past.

i don't get it. crystal ball could have been great. emancipation could have been great. rave could have been great. instead they were half assed, careless attmepts. attempts at what? i don't know...but certainly not creativity.

I relates because if he did start releasing the old vault stuff, the focus would clearly be on that, not on his current material. Too many people are hyped up about the old, and would ignore the new. if it were all about $$$ for him, he would clearly be better off marketing the vault tunes. Since it's about the music (current), he has ignored the pleas of many fans for the old.

codshort said:

...maybe he's just a little scared that the past will overshadow the current in terms of experimentation and hunger and guts...

Contrary to popular opinion, I LOVED Crystal Ball - especially after "editing it down" to my fave cuts.

CB2 seems unlikely, especially given the whole "no cursing" approach Prince seems so serious about lately. That and, if he was going to do it (open the vaults) it seems to me he would've done it by now.

Too bad.

A few more releases like Xpectation and, to a lesser extent, ONA will only make me hunger for "Calhoun Square" and "What's My Name" even more.

NEWS is the first Prince release since "Purple Rain" that I didn't rush out to buy THE FIRST DAY IT WAS OUT, and, frankly, from what I've heard about it, I'm not in any big hurry...

...maybe he's just a little scared that the past will overshadow the current in terms of experimentation and hunger and guts...

What's more experimental, hungry & courageous ...releasing vault material thats old (and widely known/collected), or doing something new?

Don't get me wrong...While having some vault releases would be nice, I, personally prefer the opportunity to check out how he progresses. That has always been the fun of following P...where is he going next? It doesn't harm me that he's not dipping into the vault, so I guess I don't see why that should cause so much hatred of him by his own fans.

codshort said:

Whoa! hatred...uh uh...just wonderment.

how long have you been following him? i've been here since 1984 (and 7 yrs old)...i feel as though the past material has just asmuch meaning now as it did then...if not more. its a retrospectove look at where he is now.

its not harming anyone if he releases or doesn't release...its just a great sentiment on his part to give his long standing followers and supporters a little taste of something they've been craving for years.

Whoa! hatred...uh uh...just wonderment.

how long have you been following him? i've been here since 1984 (and 7 yrs old)...i feel as though the past material has just asmuch meaning now as it did then...if not more. its a retrospectove look at where he is now.

its not harming anyone if he releases or doesn't release...its just a great sentiment on his part to give his long standing followers and supporters a little taste of something they've been craving for years.

From you, maybe not hatred, from others around here...downright venomous!

Me, I've been into him since 1981 (13 years old). I do love his old material too, I just would rather hear him challenge himself by doing something new, than obsessing over the old stuff he never has intended to release (not saying you do) and likely never will. Believe me, if he ever did, I would be one to get as much as I could, but since he isn't, I'm not gonna bitch about, nor let it affect my willingness to hear his new direction. (again, not personally directed at you, but the general "angry-mob" sentiment).

For me, the fun of the journey (P's music) is, and has been, the new direction he constantly takes, 90% of the time is damn funky.

codshort said:

YAY! we agree!

i am always interested in where he's going, musically speaking. even if i don't dig it too much i know i should stick around cuz soon he'll mix it up! that's been what's kept me hooked all these years. i don't have to ever hear the older stuff released as long as he pushes his talet to new ends. sometimes i wonder if he is. NEWS is new for him...that doesn't make it great, but it does make it interesting. where can he go from here? what will be next? that's the excitement!

it's just a great idea to throw around, this vault material. and prince always adds fuel to the fire by talking about this vault in interviews. he is always telling people what's in there and what he may or may not release...its like a dangling carrot sometimes...

...but we all stick around long after the carrot has been rotted!

just kidding about the last bit.

its been great going back and forth with you, codshort. now, i must get ready for bed. peace!

God Bless, bro...

He doesn't have an intention of releasing his older material - yet he continues to dangle the carrot.

The last occurance being the stuff about "the cause" and the PR special edition with out-takes

Now if you don't mind, I'm off to gibber in a corner lamenting the lack of vault releases.

Romance1600 said:

No, I'm trying to say that if there weren't any bootlegs people would go back to tape trading like 15 years ago and all the stuff that these "handful of people" have would be in more hands...
But this "trading circle" has been getting smaller and smaller by the year, simply because some traders started selling stuff to bootleg companies (usually edited) to make a quick buck... And THAT is what it never was about and nowadays it's easier to track someone down who sold it to a bootleg company and cut them off and "blacklist" them from this "trading circle"...

But anyway people nowadays have become "lazy" and find it easier to get bootlegs with crap quality material (and actually like that shit) instead of looking for the real good stuff... Stuff bootleg labels will never get and thus the bootleg-loving fans will never get...


Yes this is a common practice, that's another reason why bootlegs are pure shite...

Neversin.