...or could he use some help from others??

It wouldn't hurt him to give it a shot...

Don't take this personally, but that has to be the stupidest question ever asked on the org. Prince has produced himself and others for what 25 freakin years. if he is not a good producer there are multiple millions of people who have been fooled into believing the music was/is good. That's as stupid as asking if Hendrix was a good guitar player. What the f**k are any of us doing on this site if he is not. damn. Watch some fool and there are countless nitwits on this site say he's not a good producer and should get someone to produce his stuff.

I think its mostly the kids who are so enamered (sp) with producers any way. Give me an artist who can work their music though the whole process. From idea to finished song. That is the essence of creativity. When u find an artist that has that sort of overall ability savor it, enjoy their vision. And if u don't that's your problem. Don't think just beacuse u don't like it that the artist needs to have some other person come in and alter their style. If u don't like Prince's music accept the fact and move the f**k on.

Prince knows more about music then the neptunes ever will. I rather hear prince rise or fall with his own ideas about his art then turn it over to some hack of the moment. Jesus are u people too dense to realize this about more than money, dancing, getting your damn groove on. It's ART recognize that first.

Not a good producer, but a good joke.

tricky99 said:

I agree, however Prince is the baddest when it comes to his OWN shit.

But he's half-decent when he produce 4 other folks. I dug thangs about his production 4 other folks! some over here, some over there and thats it.

You know what's sad? It's sad that you feel the need to defend someone who couldn't care less if you live or die. That's what's sad.
[This message was edited Sun Aug 3 13:01:51 PDT 2003 by EvilWhiteMale]

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tell it like it is evil.


ROCK ON !!


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He used to be (see Parade and SOTT) now he's a bit samey.Maybe he should at least ideas wit other producers, maybe he does, but does his own thing anyway.

So after all that, I take it some people think he 'has to be' good, while others don't think he's that good.

Remember what producing is about guys. I personally reckon he's good, but that doesn't make the song good does it? Didn't Brian Eno once highly rate Prince's production skills? That's a man who should know...

Quit the whinging Tricky.

So long as U like it, thats all that matters. What does "over" mean? Over 2 whom? According 2 whom? R these ppl that make these judgements qualified 2 make them?

Y criticise somebodies taste in music? If they wanna listen 2 it, let them.

Yes. But he's at his BEST when he's the one singing the song(s) as well.
[This message was edited Sun Aug 3 14:57:42 PDT 2003 by Starmist7]

Not so great when producing for others -- he imposes too much of himself on the track, which is why they almost always sound like Prince outtakes.

When producing himself, he's a fucking genius. Lovesexy, Parade, Purple Rain... the list goes on and on.

It would, though, be interesting to hear somebody else produce him, just to see what would happen.

Personally, I'd love to hear him produced by someone else. The last time I can think of that happening was one of his best songs KISS. David Z. basically produced that song (for Mazarati). Prince came along and added some great touches, but he had no idea where the song would be going. In fact, he gave them a basic idea and that was all. Anyone who has heard the Mazarati version knows that David pushed the song in the right direction and once Prince heard it, he reclaimed it, adding his vocal and a cool (song defining) guitar part. Look at the credits for the song. David Z. is credited under "arranged by".

Prince has a certain sound, and will never get out of that box until he allows someone else to tweak his noise. For better or worse, I wish he'd just let some other producers take a shot at some of his songs.

(YES)

He produced himself - yes - very well!

[This message was edited Sun Aug 3 19:13:13 PDT 2003 by naturegirl]

I think it depends on what you think the role of a producer is.

For years I though prince was a bad producer, as in the final sound, not the deliverer of performance.

The first couple of albums were over produced. Then Prince went the opposite direction, from Dirty Mind to Lovesexy where he put little effort into the final sound mix, and was more into the different sounds from the instruments he could get.

With Batman, he had greater technical equipment and he had learned off people like Femi. The clarity of sound on Batman is far superior to the previous records. Just compare the sound on "The Future" compare to say "Glam Slam" and you can hear it.

Graffiti Bridge took a step back, but only because it consisted of mainly previously recorded material.

D & P was the first polished (if not TOO polished) production.

Ther is another jump with "Emancipation". The production of sound quality is far superior that say Chaos or gold.

However, some could argue this is in the mastering, not production.

I think its a bit of both.

However, one thing that clearly shows, when Prince takes his time (Emancipation, Rainbow, News) then the clarity is far better. so it must be in the production.

rainbowchild said:

Put it this way when Eno - producer of a lot of David Bowie's U2's great work + other artists in Q magazine a couple of years ago when asked who his fav producer was answered: 'This producer's fav producer is Prince'


I also heard Andrew Lloyd Webber say something to a simliar effect when reviewing latest release on radio 1.

Amongst musician's Prince's immense talent either evokes huge repect: eg the likes of Eric Clapton, Ice T, Pete Townsend (the who), Pharral Williams, Sting, Jam&lewis, Chuck D, all the imitators overt he years out there or huge jealousy eg Keith Richards, Quincy Jones, MJ

tricky99 said:

That about somes it up.

Amongst musician's Prince's immense talent either evokes huge repect: eg the likes of Eric Clapton, Ice T, Pete Townsend (the who), Pharral Williams, Sting, Jam&lewis, Chuck D, all the imitators overt he years out there or huge jealousy eg Keith Richards, Quincy Jones, MJ[/quote]

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT STING AND JAM AND LEWIS EVEN LIKED PRINCE? WOW, THAT'S GREAT! I'M A HUGE STING FAN!

tricky99 said:

true...

a brotha's gotta eat, you know. any form of art is costly to upkeep, far as materials and such go. keep on sayin "it ain't about the money" all you wanna, but when push comes to shove money plays a role in the art world.

mine!

HEY hey HEY! I don't want to have to come onto this, or any other thread, and start deleting posts where y'all are just flaming each other. pm1, tricky99, consider yourselves warned.

EvilWhiteMale said:

I think it all depends on if he is WHAT he is feeling at the time about what evr he is doing if he feels you deserve his best heel toss you the steak but if he feels ya dont ya get the bone..

Why does he need someone else to put THEIR
sound on HIS music???

loveroflife71 said:

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT STING AND JAM AND LEWIS EVEN LIKED PRINCE? WOW, THAT'S GREAT! I'M A HUGE STING FAN![/quote]

Jam & Lewis...of course they have said many times that Prince is an absolute musical genius.

Sting : well I'm not sure that Sting is into Prince really. I would be really surprised if he liked Prince.

VINCENT said:

Jam & Lewis...of course they have said many times that Prince is an absolute musical genius.

Sting : well I'm not sure that Sting is into Prince really. I would be really surprised if he liked Prince.[/quote]


Sting came on stage with Prince in 88
and has mentioned him in interviews.

I like what Bowie said on BET. He said he had liked Prince but when he heard 1999 lp he knew there was something special about him.

pm1 said:

No, it's not.
Even hot guys like you have to abide the RULES you agreed upon before being allowed to post.

ANyways. I have been offensive here for ages and eben allowed to because I use fancy words.

And it is NOT censorship.
The moderators have let me question their authority numerous times and have been grand about any topic.

Now say you are sorry.

On yer knees, like a good boy.

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just wait until september you little minx.


aaarrrggghhh.


xxx


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He was a good producer. Actually, I think he still is, but isn't concerned with pleasing a lot of the fans anymore and won't go back to that raw and grimmy funk he was known for. I don't help would hurt...perhaps The Neptunes, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, or Raphael Saadiq should jump in.

okaypimpn said:

Ray is have more of a Sly Stone going on with his vibe,,,and he does this Okaland sound nicely.

Don't know about the brotha being influenced by Prince(at least I haven't heard anything so far) now The Toni Toni Tone crew can do the jop