I don't know what y'all are thinking, but the way I look at it is, Prince music has been there for me through my hard times, so why shouldn't I be there 2 support him in hard times? yeah it's true Prince Music can be pricey, but hell I got a job, I can always buy the same CD again. I love my music as much as anybody, probably even more, but the way I look at it is, I think being a fan means supporting the artist and his music all the way through. It's what make you feel apart of the journey

I'll send my stuff just because I know the struggle Prince has been dealing with his record company for years and years to come. All he wants is freedom 2 create and when ur working under the influences of a negative setting, u may not always have that choice.

This is the reason why music sucks today. Record company's has been getting away with putting out shitty artist all becuase they know they can do it and get away with it, but as soon as a artist like Prince who comes along 2 challenge them, the artist gets all the flack instead of the real enemy.

What you hear on the radio today is not real music it's a marketing strategy.

Some of you might not agree Prince is the best, but Prince is a Phucking Geunsis.

I'm sick of the record excutives feeding me stoopid, unoriginal shit through my stereo. I don't know how much longer of this I can take. Orgers y'all can do u want u want ...

I'm taking a stand against the man

Phuck anybody who has anything 2 say about


If Prince never stood up for what he believed in, he would be like alot of musicians/artist that gets lost in the structor of unliablity. They lose focus, They lose the art, Then eventually they will lose their heart and their soul, which will most definetly give the label of being a sale out. I've seen to many times with to many artist and I am so glad that Prince ain't even about to go that route,regardless of what peoplet think about him, say about it or even curse him to his grave.

Rather any of you agree with me or not I'm still going to do it, just because Prince music has always been there for me. Now is the time I can do something for Prince in return. He's not asking me to buy anything, He's not asking me to sale anything and even if this is a publicity stunt, I can look back at it and say I had apart in it .

...cool

Ok.

all I have 2 say is ... Fight the real enemy

DigitalLisa said:

i can't stand the music industry either, but that still don't mean i'ma help ol' boy in his own battles. sorry charlie...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

it ain't like he askin for blood... he jus asking for his own music in which he created

DigitalLisa said:

i dunno about you, but i wasn't around in 1977 and signin a contract with warners. it ain't my battle to fight...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

niether was I, I didn't even become a fan until the 90's, but I just be thinking One day I might become famous and end up in some big uproar with my record company, the least I could do is rely on the support of my fans if anything
[This message was edited Sat Jul 26 22:31:20 PDT 2003 by DigitalLisa]

DigitalLisa said:

yeah, but he ain't been thinkin too kindly of his fans at times. stuff like sendin e-mails askin for one's merchandise that wuz bought with their own money, without an initial explanation as to why they'd want the stuff and no mention of any sort of compensation for sendin the stuff in ain't really gonna make you look too cool in some people's eyes, imho. that's how i see it.

you wanna have your onlookers help you in your struggle? don't be such a brat about it when you ask and at least give a mofo an idea as to what you want. you can't help a person if they don't tell you what they need help on from the get-go.


mine!

DigitalLisa said:

It's not Prince's cause. It's Prince's excuse.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

tru

but I'm not cheap, I can spare a CD or 2,What the hell, I hardly listen to it anyways cuz I"m busy listening 2 the bootlges . we all know Prince is weird at times and he ain't gon do things like the average joe

Maybe Prince didn't think this thing all the way through before consulting it...

whatever the case maybe I'm have his back

I say screw warner bros fur phucking wit Prince
[This message was edited Sat Jul 26 22:42:57 PDT 2003 by DigitalLisa]

I really do see where Prince is coming from, but to me he's going about this in the wrong way(as usual). He really needs to hear a voice of reason; something/someone to slap him out of "princeland".
To ask longtime fans who obviously cared enough to buy these recordings with their own money to send them back without any reason, whatsoever, is ridiculous.
I would need to have some valid explanation before I would even think of sending him anything, IMHHO.

the bottom line is prince made a business deal. he forfitted certain perks in order to receive other benefits. prince signed a deal to give him production credits and royalties rather than ownership of his master recordings. he was 18 years old and in charge of his own record. do you realize how incredible that is? you can't have everything. he sacrificed one thing on order to get another. now that he is a rich and successful recording artist he wants to turn back time and change things. well, you can't haveit both ways. prince should be so thankful for the opportunities he was given and the life those opportunities gave him. when he was already successful, years later, he signed another deal. it was a terrible deal and he should have known better. he got greedy and now he's paying the price for that greed. i believe he should cut his losses and just deal with things as they are. he really should wake up everyday and thank God for that bank statement, that recording studio, his large plot of land, his doves, his wife, his car (which he drives poorly), his employees, the fact that he has employees and evey other wonderful, superstar perk of life that he has. this whinging over his back catalogue is sickening! regardless of the fact that he wrote and produced the material...who supplied him with a purple jet? who supplied him with his vanity label, who who suffered the costs of prince's random behaviour every time he cancelled a tour, album, single, video, interview, etc.?

puh-lease...cause what? cause he's spoiled, greedy and salty. that's the only cause i see.

If Prince asked me to sign a petition, I'd read it over and if I agreed with the content, I would gladly sign it.

If Prince were to set up a defense fund and laid out what he was fighting for, I'd contribute what little I could if I thought he was fighting the good fight.

There are lots of ways in which I would support Prince in his battles w/ Warner Bros.

Giving up my music is NOT one of those ways.

It makes no sense, the explanation wasn't sufficient to me, and I found it a little condescending and insulting to sacrifice my belongings, and, where shipping is concerned, on my own dime.

Prince deserves better? WE deserve better.

The music might be his - the melodies and words and arrangements - but the objects I bought at the wrecka stow, which happen to have his music burned on to them - yeah, those would be MINE.

And you're deluded if you think otherwise.

The bottom line is, I really don't think Prince was trying to be audacious or shady in making this request. But it came off as over-the-top and ludicrous, because, well, he's PRINCE, and his view of how things work is a bit different than the views of most of the rest of us. This is a man who doesn't understand why he can't rent camels at 3am in Minneapolis. Go figure.

I'll keep buying the music and supporting him in ways I consider appropriate, just like I've been doing for over 20 years. Get near my music and I'm liable to holler LEGGO MY EGGO, mmkay?

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

Well, he's always been spoiled, but let's face it, he lives in another world.
Being around a bunch of "yes men"(majority of them being members of the club) doesn't help either, when you're around people that constantly kiss your ass and agree with every little thing you do, one tends to get a big head and believe that everything he/she does will work. He has taken the "I-can-do-whatever-the-fuck-I-want" attitude to the extreme, even pissing off the "fams".
Ever since the day he was signed he's been in some sort of fantasy land, it's gotten worse over the years due to the "yes-men" I mentioned. Not being quite "all there" (as I think) doesn't help either.

Anxiety said:

lovebizzare said:

i just don't buy that (no pun intended here )...he knows his requests are ridiculous. he knows he is the most difficult man in the music world. he gets off on it. i think it makes him feel important. anyone who only schedules interviews at 3am or on a whim is someone who has no regard for others. he does live in his own world, yeah, but that doesn't mean he isn't aware of the real world outside. it only means that he doesn't care about it.

1.. collect underpants

2.. ?

3.. profit

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Lisa, I applaud your courage to stand up for what you believe in. You might get called some names or get made fun of, but at the end of the day, you don't have to go home to any of these people. Do your thing, girl. I have mad love and respect for you for that.

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

true..I guess.

My whole point is that I don't get why so many people are acting like he's completely gone off on his rocker for the first time, like he was so perfcet before, people should just except it by now. These people (who are hardcore enough to even pay money for a club of an artist who hasn't had a hit in over a decade) should know what they're getting into and who they're dealing with. that's my point. I"m not saying that Prince isn't aware of "the real world" but when you have so many "yes-men" hanging on and following your every word and move, you're bound to think that you'll get you're way.
think back to the '80s, Prince didn't do ridiculous shit like this, he was smomewhat spoiled, but not to the extent of today.

lovebizzare said:

i guess in that regard, i agree with you. i have come to the point where i can enjoy prince's music without enjoying prince. it's funny, part of being a prince fan was really being into his private life and deciphering things. now, i'm just too old and busy to be wrapped up in what some halfcrazy psuedo-celebrity does with his life. this whole fiasco just pushes the envelope for me. i guess maybe its time for me to sign out, ya know?

Okay, here's what I think.. I dont paticular care for the "Bait" he refers too when talking about remasterd stuff and outtakes.. He has known to make "promise" like responses that never surface, so that wont be a reason for sending him cd's..
Now, regarding sending it to him to support this fight? I really think Prince should look at it on a deeper level.. Is owning his masters gonna rest this fued? Is it gonna make Prince happier? or is it gonna make him more money.. there are a lot of questions being raised prior to this last move he is attempting to make.. Prince should be churning out songs that could run circles around that warner stuff.. and then feeling the joy inside of owning the freedom for which each of those songs stand for.. but still, he doesnt seem like a satisfied person untill he gets what he wants, but I must remind him and everyone here that... he signed a contract. I dont feel like Prince got too jerked around, he was making major bucks and he was fully aware of what Warner could do and did with his music.

Prince is officially a dickhead

if you send him YOUR recordings that you bought with YOUR money than you are an even bigger dickhead

it's that simple.

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1stly, aint nothin he's done for warners has been "remastered" secondly, im sure he has actual promos of said products hes asking for back, having us send retail copies back to some strange place in ohio. makes no fuckin sense,i co sign with Deja's statements.
[This message was edited Sun Jul 27 5:52:37 PDT 2003 by Finess]

stymie said:

aww thanks... I know Prince can be a ass but there is alot worst things he could be doing. Prince is a brat we all know that, but you know I think Prince does has a point. The Thing is, I bet u those record excutives are laughing at Prince just like some of you are

record excutives: "like somebody's actually going to do it, we don't have much 2 worry about, Prince is ruining his own career, jerk off ha ha ha "


That's another reason why I'm going to do it. Somebody's gotta put a end to this none sense and even if Prince does has some copy's already, I don't think it's the fact he actually wants my music, it's alll about the principal
[This message was edited Sun Jul 27 7:38:20 PDT 2003 by DigitalLisa]

DigitalLisa said:

I bet they don't even know about the situation, let alone care enough to mock it.

The only people who are discussing it, or even know about it are a relative handful of fans who have net access.

Lisa, the thing is this will IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER help any sort of legal action Prince is considering against Warner Brothers.

Talk to a lawyer, or anyone who has basic knowledge of legal issues, and they'll tell you the same thing.

If his argument is that these items were released illegally, then all he needs is the ABUNDANT paperwork which indicates that it was in fact released.

It's not like he would go into court and the judge would say, "Well, how do I know this stuff was even released?" I mean, is that what you're thinking? That he needs the physical copies as proof? He doesn't...and besides, they have pictures of many of these products, which indicates that they already HAVE copies. Not to mention the fact that some people actually BOUGHT these items AT PAISLEY a few years ago.

Sadly, the only thing you're helping Prince with is his desire to stay as far away from reality as possible.

I agree with imnotsayinthisjust2benasty...he didn't do this out of some misguided attempt to fight some legal battle with Warner and enlist the help of his fans. He knew EXACTLY how incendiary his email was, and he gets off on that.

For some reason, his musical genius has, for the most part, left him high and dry. The only thing he has left is getting his fans to fight amongst themselves.

This is also where I get off...sure, I'll still listen to all my old Prince stuff (although I can't imagine listening to any of it for a looong time), but I will NEVER AGAIN defend Prince when someone starts saying what a power-hungry, washed-up has-been he is. In fact, I will provide them with these latest facts in order to bolster their argument.

He's a bitter, little man, who used to make people feel really good on many levels. Now all he does is create bad feelings.

fight the power

theblueangel said:

Everything else you said was on the ball too.