Presence said:

when I get home I will post a pic of a ding dong kay

Presence said:

ditto that you mind your manners and respect your org elders, mayne...

Presence said:

ditto ditto ditto!

i can't really comment on the NPGMC message board since i haven't spent much time there. spent a little time in the chat though, which is kinda neat. i like both sites, but to me this one seems more objective.

on the other hand, i like the NPGMC site because it's more artistic, and right from prince.

but as tackam said "Both sites have some nice people along with a lot of negativity and intolerance. The intolerance is just of different things."

i think the ORG allows freer thought than the NPGMC, from what i've experienced. but, i can see why my opinion might be biased

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Your like the lil sister I never had!!!

DeVaniti said:

Uhm, the members of NPGMC did pay to get in, it isn't like Prince graciously invited them into his home and made them a pot of coffee.

It's a commercial venture, and as a customer, you expect a level of customer service and information - if that level is not perceived to be attained by the customer they have the right to voice their opinions.


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[This message was edited Mon Jun 23 17:05:33 PDT 2003 by Romance1600]

pejman said:

hehehehe...

for all us smart hata's. Prince is done and the smiley bunches know it. They smile those purple kool-aid grins and show them purple toothers--but they start to turn into vampires teeth. Princes real fans hate his new direction because they know he has the vast potential to do better. The 80's stuff and the best 90's stuff tell that tale. Prince is no longer innovative, and he has no new ideas. He doesn't even want to sing any more. We want songs, Prince, not jams. We have the Madhouse stuff for that. So, all I can say is put a stick in Prince, he is done. Retire now you purple puke and go to bible study like a good little rat.

2freaky4church1 said:

y'know a whole bunch of them fampires are gon' come around to suck yo blood for that statement later on, right?

NPGMC fo' LIFE.


[This message was edited Mon Jun 23 17:25:44 PDT 2003 by RiccoTheArtist]

2freaky4church1 said:

If you don't like Prince anymore and say he is done why do you waste your time on a website dedicated to him? You say 'we' want songs and not jams well speak for yourself. I like the new jams! Prince screeching OW-WAH in just about every other line of almost every song was getting old.

If you don't like his new direction then get lost. We don't need you here.

awright-awright, here i am and i haven't shared my piece on this whole subject. the way i see it is this:

i dunno about some of ya'll, but i'd much rather have a mixture of the good and the bad, rather than straight-up ass-kissers or straight-up smart-asses. like i had said on a previous post, the land of purple ain't all sunshine n'violets, fluffy clouds, free "" signs and positivity for all. we all can't sit here and nod over every blinkin thing prince has done. sure as hell wouldn't be fun if we all did, eh? we're all different folks.

the org ain't full of negativity...there are quite a few folks here who sparkle amongst the fog. yours truly is a prime example.

the npgmc ain't full of positivity...there are folks over there who act a fool for whatever reason.

i've had folks come to me here on the org in the past and remark, "prince might be watchin, y'know! why'd you say that??" know what i tell 'em? "th' fuck should i be scared for, p ain't my daddy! the worst he could do is sit, shake his head and blush at my commentary if he is watchin."

it ain't that crucial®, ya'll. be glad that there are folks 'round here who ain't afraid to speak their minds and be honest about prince's work, even if it means hurtin a few feelings and steppin on a few toes/fingas in the process. and furthermore, be glad the org's still around and lettin us speak our minds.




mine...whew!

Think of it like this:
if you BUY a car, you think it's the bomb.

if you TEST DRIVE that same car, you'll be much more critical.

DeVaniti said:

Bad news, DeVanti, but you're just plain wrong.

The anti-venom shields worn by all ORG venom spitters are 100% effective against all venom, even their own.

Accordingly, your "two-fold" assertion is nothing more than spitefully wishful Hater hatin'.

Ironcially, there's good news.

Since you've got your own shield, your venom won't fall right back on you two-fold either.

Peace.

Actually, I'm not an NPGMC member because I don't find P's work particularly compelling at present. I don't like a lot of P's work and I have my own opinion about his career moves. Sometimes I express myself diplomatically, sometimes not. But I like having a place where I can express myself about the ins and outs and different thoughts on P music and P topics and have people understand what I'm trying to say.

I'm a grown-ass man. I don't need to worry about what P thinks about what I say.

Not to put down the NPGMC website, but from what I hear, there are a lot of company men and women who buy into his recent spiel and have a "know-it-all" attitude. I prefer being a member of the loyal dissenters: an orger.

I know I get tired of hearing all the bitching myself... I know Prince ain't perfect but dayum give a brother a break, stop complaining, cuz you know as well as I do y'all the first one 2 b putting in his CD's

preciosa863 said:

Most of the old "orgers" are still around actually. So you are entirely wrong here.

Additionally, this site is moderated to the best of our abilities. It is a free service, run by a few volunteers in our spare time, and it is as good as we can make it without it being a commercial site. You get what you pay for! We didn't take $25 off anyone, remember...

As for your point about "I'd rather be around positivity every day" - you must find it very hard to get through life with your fingers in your ears all the time. The world is full of different opinions and different beliefs and different people. People who desire ONLY to interact with "positive" people who agree with them on everything are generally not equipped to deal with the real world. You have my sympathies.

On the Org, we do moderate the site and we do censor certain types of comments, and flames etc. However everyone here on this site is a "Prince fan" or has some interest in Prince music - they wouldn't be here otherwise. So what you get here is "opinions" - if someone thinks a song is shit, they'll say so. Different opinions stimulate discussion. If everyone here was trying to "sing from the purple hymn sheet" and being totally blinkered in their view of Prince's music, it (a) wouldn't create good discussions (b) would make the Org look like a fucked-up cult that couldn't tolerate criticism of their "leader" and (c) would be bad for Prince's music in the long run. If I were Prince, I'd value fan's expressing honest opinions about my music. Surrounding yourself with people who idolize everything you do is tedious.

Yeah... what Ian said!

I think you'll find that a lot of us
are 'still here' AND 'over there',

There is a third choice you know...
"You can choose not to choose".
[This message was edited Tue Jun 24 2:24:17 PDT 2003 by BorisFishpaw]

Well... I too went to the NPGMC in search of comments about NEWS, and I felt like all the reviews had been written by Prince's ma, his grandma and his adoring aunts. "Son, don't worry your zipper was wide open, you were missing one shoe and toilet paper was coming out of your troussers - you did GREAT!"

It's beyond me some of my fellow AMP almunis post there. The site may be a good way to get over one's Prince addiction, as I don't believe a normal metabolism can withstand that kind of sugar..

Put simply, If I have the choice of my conversation being free or restricted, I pick free every time. I don't mean financially.

Sure I respect whos house I'm in, but that shouldn't restrict my views if they are put in a respectful manner.

At NPGMC, if you state something respectfully, if it does not fit with their views, you will be pointed to the door.

To me, that not freedom, thats the beginning of a cultist attitiude.

Some people say some very "negative" things here. Thats not negative, its just a different point of view.

I'm using the NPGMC for exactly what it should be, a portal for me to order or download new music.

What I find strange is that we have some people here, who are defending the club, and slagging off the attitude on the org. Why exactly are they here???

ian said:

You tell 'em,Ian !!!

DeVaniti said:

So,what you're really saying is,a person can shell out their money to join a music club and buy a CD,but they shouldn't DARE criticize it if they don't like it? That would be a "sin",to actually NOT like a song by the Almighty Prince,huh? If this is how you feel,you definitely don't belong here on this site...lol...

Like Ian pointed out to somebody...if you can't accept differing views and opinions,you are generally not equipped to deal with the real world.Funny how you dwell on the "negativity" that goes on here.There is also alot of great discussion by people who can agree to disagree.Many of us have become close friends,we're like a cool,tight-knit community and,contrary to what you think, most of us DO get along with each other.But hey,I guess you'd rather be in your purple fairy-tale world of positivity called the NPGMC,right? Have fun!

Aerogram said:

Well said Aero, as always.

Yeah never understood how someone from AMP or the Org could feel comfortable posting on NPGMC. They are the antithesis of NPGMC's vibe.

However, I think maybe people are misinterpreting Prince's intentions in providing the NPGMC site. Apart from a vehicle to distribute his music, I imagine it is valuable for him to read feedback from his fanbase since they are his only customers nowadays... It is certainly admirable to respect his rules over on his site (with regard to swearing etc) just as we try to respect Ben's rules on this site... but I don't think there's any need to pretend to be someone that you aren't. Stop trying to be Prince!

Why not just - be respectful and civil - but also be open to expressing your honest opinions? There really is no need to spout purple Princebonic pseudo-positive bullshit. Prince doesn't need a bunch of morons who will worship everything he does, unquestioningly and blindly. Prince doesn't need people copying his speech, or following his beliefs and opinions. Who the fuck needs that? Sycophants may give you an ego boost at first, but in time you learn to better appreciate compliments from people that you trust to give their honest and unblinkered opinion. Compliments from people who will worship everything you do anyway, is no compliment at all.

tricky99 said:

But how exciting can the conversations be if EVERYBODY agrees all the time? That sounds really boring,like a bunch of happy fanatics sitting around a campfire having a fanclub meeting.I suspect that many of those people (yourself included) STILL lurk on this site,just to loosen up,have a few laughs and come back to the "real world" for a change.

ian said:

exactly!!! the brotha's got enough yes-men as it is...like it or not, there's always gonna be people who will let themselves be heard if they think he's fucked up sumfin. that ain't "negativity", like some folks have called it...it's criticism. some of it may be constructive, some of it may not be.

either way, it needs to be said.

DavidEye said:

I dunno man! Maybe we should introduce some new rules that outlaw all differences of opinion. To stop people having any unpleasant arguments, we'll ensure that everyone has the same opinion (Prince's). Anyone found not singing from our "Org Hymn Sheet" will be immediately excommunicated along with the other "Banished Ones".

Just think how beautiful life will be when everyone has the same views on everything! No longer will I have to witness upsetting disharmonious conflict of beliefs, and no longer will I have to sob myself gently to sleep! *sniff* It's beautiful ...

LMAO

ian said:

lawd...

tackam said:

I disagree. Yeah...NPGMC is intolerant of intelligent debate! makes loads of sense...if you think that is an intelligent thing to say then I guess I can see how you might think that.
All I'm trying to say is if you (not just you tackam, but everyone who only sees positive over there) take off your tainted glasses you will see that negative comments are allowed over there...people are allowed to have real discussions with differing opinions. It's just way more civilized...people do discuss differing opinions they just do it with out the profanity and mud slinging.
oh no! how terrible!

2freaky4church,
you are funny! have fun hanging around!

Borisfishpaw! Thank you!

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

damn Right!!!

ian said:

Well said.