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some good moments, some boring moments. we can't always get "the undertaker."  | |
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"too me it's like all the madhouse stuff that eric leeds participated in. some good moments, some boring moments."
Uuhh, where's the good moment in North ? East seems somewhat more interesting though, but South and West would have to be (surprisingly) great to change my mind on this album ! And why is all this stuff so downtempo ??? I mean it is even so dangerous that you may even die from it in a bubble bath. Do never listen to North in a bath! | |
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This is for DrD,
I liked north, nothing great though I suppose ...but I really really liked Xpectation, hey DrD what´s wrong with this album, I see you didn´t like it either I am addressing this to you as it seems you are into jazz and seems like you know what you are talking about Thanks | |
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I haven't listened to North, I don't intend to.
I watched the video, and I heard the sample of East when it first appeared on the Vault page. Considering it's only a four track CD, I wanna hear it fresh when I get the CD. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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DrD said: Uuhh, where's the good moment in North? i guess you're not a fan of his guitar playing. to each his own... | |
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Garganta: I don't think there's anything wrong with Xpectation or NEWS, it is just that I find much better jazz-fusion albums out there compared with those.
To me this is Prince in a style in which he is far from the top league (I LOVE his guitar playing though, Suomynona!) because he lacks great ideas. I mean listen to 70s Miles, 70s Hancock, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report, more recently James Carter, Roy Hargrove: these are very different bands which have put out innovative, landmark, albums (some BS at times too). In my view, Prince's "jazz music" is not innovative, not even exciting, and in any event will never become a classic. On the other hand, who in the world can compare to him in mixing the different genres of pop culture ? No one. That's why I wish he came back to what he does best! TRC was really great for this reason, but I'm afraid he's going a little too far in this instrumental direction now and is showing his limits... | |
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Just wanna add once again that I'm not bitching, I'm just all the more disappointed as those introductory instrumental jams in Paris and London (two aftershows I attended) had floored me. I was pretty sure that he would come up with amazing material, in the same vein, especially with such a great band, something that would have that vibe, that passion, that energy, that agressivity in his guitar playing (Aarrgghhh, his Telecaster!) ...Maybe my expectations were too high! | |
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Uuhh, where's the good moment in North ?
To me, that would be the build up of the music with the following piano break down. | |
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DrD said: Just wanna add once again that I'm not bitching, I'm just all the more disappointed as those introductory instrumental jams in Paris and London (two aftershows I attended) had floored me. I was pretty sure that he would come up with amazing material, in the same vein, especially with such a great band, something that would have that vibe, that passion, that energy, that agressivity in his guitar playing (Aarrgghhh, his Telecaster!) ...Maybe my expectations were too high!
Well, then you know that he has this in him. Can't you listen to those? | |
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DrD said: Despite being a huge fan of jazz (with favorite music style along with funk), especially jazz-fusion, despite having loved the new directions displayed in TRC and in some of the ONA tracks, despite having been so enthousiastic about this NEWS album, I must say that I am EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED by what I've just heard.
Beyond any detailed consideration, I found NORTH extremely pretentious and amazingly boring. He and his musicians are simply unable to play that kind of music (smooth jazz-rock) at the top league level, which makes it almost fall down to elevator music. This was already my main complaint regarding Xpectation, but this time I thought that given the amazing instrumental jams played during the European Tour's aftershows, and given the absence of the violin that almost ruined Xpectation, it would be much better. Apparently not. More broadly, has he lost that energy, that joy, that curiosity, that connection with his environment, that freshness, that touching ingenuousness that we all love and that is at the root at the amazingly creative funk he gave us for years ? (I mean on albums of course, ONA live was great) Conclusion: In any event, if you dare to say that you love NORTH and NEWS in general (EAST seems to be more or less in the same vein albeit more interesting, and we can a priori guess that the two remaining tracks won't be that different): Get the latest Roy Hargrove and ya'll know what true, energic, creative, modern, jazz-fusion is. |
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DrD said: Despite being a huge fan of jazz (with favorite music style along with funk), especially jazz-fusion, despite having loved the new directions displayed in TRC and in some of the ONA tracks, despite having been so enthousiastic about this NEWS album, I must say that I am EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED by what I've just heard.
Beyond any detailed consideration, I found NORTH extremely pretentious and amazingly boring. He and his musicians are simply unable to play that kind of music (smooth jazz-rock) at the top league level, which makes it almost fall down to elevator music. This was already my main complaint regarding Xpectation, but this time I thought that given the amazing instrumental jams played during the European Tour's aftershows, and given the absence of the violin that almost ruined Xpectation, it would be much better. Apparently not. More broadly, has he lost that energy, that joy, that curiosity, that connection with his environment, that freshness, that touching ingenuousness that we all love and that is at the root at the amazingly creative funk he gave us for years ? (I mean on albums of course, ONA live was great) Conclusion: In any event, if you dare to say that you love NORTH and NEWS in general (EAST seems to be more or less in the same vein albeit more interesting, and we can a priori guess that the two remaining tracks won't be that different): Get the latest Roy Hargrove and ya'll know what true, energic, creative, modern, jazz-fusion is. Yo, I just picked up the latest Roy Hargrove cd. I had never heard of him or heard anything from the album. I was in a record store and seen the promotional poster 4 it, and saw that it has some of my other favorite artists on there (q-tip, commom, erykah badu, and ESPECIALLY Me'shell Ndegeocello). One listen, and I was hooked! That cd ain't no joke. Pick it up... |
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Mindbells9 said: DrD said: Despite being a huge fan of jazz (with favorite music style along with funk), especially jazz-fusion, despite having loved the new directions displayed in TRC and in some of the ONA tracks, despite having been so enthousiastic about this NEWS album, I must say that I am EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED by what I've just heard.
Beyond any detailed consideration, I found NORTH extremely pretentious and amazingly boring. He and his musicians are simply unable to play that kind of music (smooth jazz-rock) at the top league level, which makes it almost fall down to elevator music. This was already my main complaint regarding Xpectation, but this time I thought that given the amazing instrumental jams played during the European Tour's aftershows, and given the absence of the violin that almost ruined Xpectation, it would be much better. Apparently not. More broadly, has he lost that energy, that joy, that curiosity, that connection with his environment, that freshness, that touching ingenuousness that we all love and that is at the root at the amazingly creative funk he gave us for years ? (I mean on albums of course, ONA live was great) Conclusion: In any event, if you dare to say that you love NORTH and NEWS in general (EAST seems to be more or less in the same vein albeit more interesting, and we can a priori guess that the two remaining tracks won't be that different): Get the latest Roy Hargrove and ya'll know what true, energic, creative, modern, jazz-fusion is. ?? What's this about, quoting this and not writing any ifo of your own? I see that a lot around here and always wonder why people do that? and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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DrD said: In my view, Prince's "jazz music" is not innovative, not even exciting, and in any event will never become a classic. i completely agree with you here.
the same flaws that were so evident in 1987 on the madhouse albums have not changed. however, my hopes remain high for "news" because of the 2 minute promo for the release. if he rocks on it, as he did for the ona live version of "joy in repetition" then in my book, it's worth the $38 it'll cost to join and buy the cd. i don't care what prince (or his fans/fams/whatever) attempt to call "news"... jazz? sorry, but prince will never, ever be considered a jazz artist. i hate saying that, because i know if someone tells him that, he'll continue to try to accomplish it... he may have jazz players in his band (now, or in the future), but these "improvisations" are his... not theirs... i think perhaps a better idea would be to cover some of the jazz/fusion stuff from the late-late sixties to mid 70s by miles/herbie/weather report, etc... i mean, we've all heard his cover of "what is hip"... god damn. (though that's not really jazz either...) anyways, back to the costs, i paid much more than $38 for bootleg after bootleg in the early-mid 1990s, so knowing what i'm getting in return for my $38 is a lot more comfortable (as i've previously stated multiple times) for me to join than forking over $100 blindly like people have done in the previous years of the npgmc... prince probably will always be my favorite musician, but i've been fucked over too many times by his bullshit (no, for the billionth time i am not referring to the lawsuit) to not be careful from now on when it comes to buying in on his guinea pig business ventures... then again, who's to say. maybe the npgmc will decline my money/membership. like i said before, i can download/get copies of everything... i'd rather send a message to prince that these are good business decisions that he's making (finally not fucking over his loyal/fanatical fanbase, simply because he knows they'll pay whatever he asks), by opening my wallet again to him. i think i pointed it out once before in a previous thread either on here or on okayplayer... but somewhere in late 1997 (probably when i first heard kirky j's solo during a live performance of "the jam" that i gave up on prince) i began throwing all my spending money at dvds and other b.s. instead of my 520something prince cd collection... i've stated it over and over again publically hoping that prince comes across it, that that money that i've spent on 855 dvds since 1997 could've gone towards prince cds if he would've opened up the vault... made wise decisions regarding the band, etc. oh well... i keep hoping that prince will learn from comments made by people he seemed to respect at one point or another... or listen to a sentence by someone who's spent what it takes to acquire 500andsomething prince cds... maybe with the $25 membership, the upcoming dvd, and the $10 cost of "news", he's listening, just a little more to the people that have supported him so much over the last 20+ years... he can make a lot more money if he sticks to what he says he's going to give us for our money (no matter the cost)... for a lot of admirers like myself, he has to rebuild that trust after being burned so many times in the past by lies, and repeatedly not following through. sorry if i put any of ya asleep  | |
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BRING BACK THE STINKIN FUNK!!!
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First I need a picture of your mother, to verify the fact that there's not another one in the universe so supreme!!" | |
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i just heard a bit of "north", and i gotta say, it's pretty ho-hum. still reminds me of muzak that'd be in a hip dentist's office.
folks are willin 2 pay $10 ducketts...4 this?  | |
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"however, my hopes remain high for "news" because of the 2 minute promo for the release. if he rocks on it, as he did for the ona live version of "joy in repetition" then in my book, it's worth the $38 it'll cost to join and buy the cd."
May you be right, Suomynona, may you be right! | |
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Mindbells9, great to see that others enjoy that latest Roy Hargrove album. A friend of mine just told me it is an instant classic, and I would agree. But of course for those who are neither into his delicate playing nor into Nu Soul, this ain't a must buy. For all others... | |
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Vashti said: It's actually refreshing to see someone who doesn't have that "I'm going to like every single piece of music Prince puts out." mentality.
I still don't get ppl who say that "TRC is one of his best works" or "ONA is the best live album I've heard" or "I really dig the direction his music is going right now"... :ILL:  and another  feeling.
So...DrD...this :CLAP: is for you!!!  could it be those people are saying that because they truly feel that way? Oh I forgot...you KNOW people, don't you? You know what they REALLY mean, you have ESP, right? give me a fucking break... | |
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suomynona said: DrD said: In my view, Prince's "jazz music" is not innovative, not even exciting, and in any event will never become a classic. i completely agree with you here.
the same flaws that were so evident in 1987 on the madhouse albums have not changed. there were flaws on Madhouse? | |
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North... 
Roy Hargrove...  No Candy 4 Me | |
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we should get royalties for the free promo we're making for Roy. But he deserves it! | |
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I have loved Prince for 20 years, and I do appreciate that he can do any field of music. I will never be old enough to appreciate News. I think my parents who are in their 70's could maybe like News. | |
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somewhat exagerated Lovebird, but you really made me laugh on this one! | |
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Roy Hargrove.
Sure, I had his CD months before it came out, and it sounded like a bunch of hop hop neo soul left over from 1999 or something. That Common freestyle sound like some shit of of Good Times or Fat Albert. All modern jazz and jazz players suck. Contemporary jazz sucks. Who knows why? North aint jazz, it's just people playing instruments. | |
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Prince made Kamasutra and Xpectation. Now there is NEWS. Nothing especialy disapointing 2 me: Prince makes the music he wants when he wants, it doesn't means this is his latest "commercial" project… It's only "creativity" like he did (Black album too)…
"Let's wait a while"… | |
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Ha, listen to either Charley Parker or Coltrane and laugh Prince out of the building. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Ha, listen to either Charley Parker or Coltrane and laugh Prince out of the building.
I'm not a big fan of North really but this ain't jazz music anyway so why do you have to compare Prince to Coltrane and Parker in the first place ?!!! | |
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Because Miles Davis once said that Prince could be the next Duke Ellington--but he lied. lol All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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I'm no jazz snob... in fact my knowledge of jazz is fairly limited. I like what I like, have a lot of classics in my record collection that I dig, but I'm no expert. I don't know what "real" jazz sounds like.
Xpectation was... interesting. Some good moments, but it's a hard listen. Kamasutra on the other hand, sucks farts out of dead cats. NEWS... from the sound of "North" it will be a continuation of the directionless meandering improvisation we heard on Xpectation... nice to hear it at least once, and of course I respect Prince's desire to try new things... but I can't help wishing that Prince would just go back to doings songs. I mean, that's what he does best. Still, I'm guessing he didn't create NEWS for the fans, he created it for himself. Which is fine. I just won't be getting very excited about it | |
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ian said: I'm no jazz snob... in fact my knowledge of jazz is fairly limited. I like what I like, have a lot of classics in my record collection that I dig, but I'm no expert. I don't know what "real" jazz sounds like.
Xpectation was... interesting. Some good moments, but it's a hard listen. Kamasutra on the other hand, sucks farts out of dead cats. NEWS... from the sound of "North" it will be a continuation of the directionless meandering improvisation we heard on Xpectation... nice to hear it at least once, and of course I respect Prince's desire to try new things... but I can't help wishing that Prince would just go back to doings songs. I mean, that's what he does best. Still, I'm guessing he didn't create NEWS for the fans, he created it for himself. Which is fine. I just won't be getting very excited about it From what I am to understand from Eric Leeds this cd was basically recorded live which means that Prince probably spent like 2 hours or less on this cd and now he gets to sell it to everyone for $10. Not a bad racket 
I haven't heard it yet so I have no opinion, but I'm bored silly by Xpectation and large chunks of C-Note so I don't have high hopes for this release | |
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