Now I know too much about Prince. What a horrible guy he is. Alex Hahn, thanks for telling us about the real Prince--warts and all. Book depressed me, but it had to be said.

The part about Tony M pissed me off. Read it and grind your teeth.

Regardless of the truth behind it all
it left a bad taste in my eyes also...I returned the shit

u actually went and wasted your money on that poor excuse 4 literature, freaky-dahling???

can someone org note me with some tony m and p background. I mean i have all teh albums but I would like to hear stories of the sessions , tours, or anything else with tony m. did he write the raps? or did p? Also a question about the love symbol cd- I heard the edited verison of this album does not contain tony's raps...is this true? thanks all peace

I never thought Prince was a perfect human being or anything. I just like the guy's music. If he fucks up, then it just means he's human like the rest of us. Don't need Alex Hahn to tell me that.

ian said:

good point

purpleone1980 said:

i would pay big big money for a copy of this version if anyone has one.

2freaky4church1 said:

Tell me more!!! What's this all about?? I ordered my book from Amazon but it hasn't arrived yet.

DavidEye said:

Yeah. I don't have the book. What does it say about Tony M.?

After seeing Hahn on the BBC documentary lately i made a mental note not to buy his book.
Seems he is just after a piece of the "Purple Pie".

i think the hahn book also surprised me at first; but his bias shines through and hahn comes off as some dude with penis envy who's trying to make a buck off prince like all the other hanger-ons throughout the years. is it a coincidence that every single quote seems to reflect on prince in a negative light? or is it just hahn filtering out anything that ever portrayed prince in a positive light? i think the answer is obvious.
that being said, hahn does make some good points. for example the truly creative period of an artist is rarely more than 10-12 years. look at the run prince had from 1979-89 which will never be topped in modern music; i'm not saying that the creative juices stopped flowing after that, but certain themes, riffs, lyrics were repeated (and yet he managed a number of top ten hits, which speaks to the power of his music). another good point is how prince seemingly chose to develop artists based on a look, rather than on musical talent alone. maybe this shows some insight into the pop music market - that a look is just as important to the sound to the demographic that buys CDs and determines hits. but in this case it failed (like trying to mold carmen electra into a rapper).
btw i'm new here and happy to have found this place!

Tony M secretly told members of the NPG that he was going to, quote, "Shove black down that Nigga's (Prince) throat if it's the last thing I do". Meaning, he thought Prince wasn't black enuff.

Prince used the Diamonds And Pears rap stuff to appeal to street type people--but who are we kidding.


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Dansa, are you saying that Hahn was lying?

2freaky4church1 said:

i'm sayin hahn's conniving. u shoulda saved your pennies instead of buyin that crap, i say....



bounce!!!
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2freaky4church1 said:

Somebody needed to shove some skills down Tony M's throat. He would have been eaten alive in any rap cipher.

Now P works with Common and Chuck D. So who needs black shoved down his throat now?

namepeace said:

thank u!!!

Ruse said:

welcome 2 the org, ruse!

Nah, Hahn got his sources from interviews at mostly from Per Nilson, who I trust to a fault.

Dansa, admit it, your lover man is a bastard..lol

Chuck D/Tony M? No contest... Rap means Chuck D!!!

2freaky4church1 said:

it's like a patchwork quilt of books about p, really...


who am i goin out with?

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Woah there... are we that hardcore on this site, that we resort to character assassination efforts against anyone who criticises our hero? Come on let's leave these personal comments out, they demean us all.

Criticise the book by all means, but do we really need to resort to insulting the character of the author? At least someone still cares enough to write about Prince, that's a rarity in itself.

I haven't read the book, and it doesn't really interest me since I'm not interested in Prince as a person, just as a musician. However if his sources were people like Per Nilson, I'd say his thoughts hold some weight. Per knows his shit, and was very dedicated in his own books about Prince.

(Speaking as myself Ian, and not in any official Org capacity)

ian said:

1) no personal attacks on anyone were launched.
2) i criticize p daily. ain't ashamed 2 do it, either.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

I get it... I got it. I know it's good... The rhymes I write you wish you would.
[This message was edited Tue Jun 10 14:12:06 PDT 2003 by whodknee]

whodknee said:

the rhymes i write...you wish you would

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

I just went back and added that. Oh well.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

I'm just saying ... that "Hahn is conniving" comment...

Bit harsh?

Look, the best book I've read on Prince is "Prince: A Pop Life." If u can find it, read it!

namepeace said:

i just found & bought a copy of that last weekend! gonna start readin it tonite...

Dansa is dating Prince, everybody!!!

2freaky4church1 said:

like hell! if he were, dont'cha know me n'him woulda eloped 2 get outta larry's evil clutches or whatever?! that, and somebody here in mpls woulda made a report of a princespotting™:

i was at calhoun square today, and guess who i saw?? i saw prince!!!he was at jimmy john's and he was with some geeky lookin sista (omg, not mani?!!!) and he was actually eating a sammich! could this mean a chance for a celly this month???







italian night club sammich edit
[This message was edited Tue Jun 10 17:11:33 PDT 2003 by Handclapsfingasnapz]

You telling the truth dej?