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Reply #30 posted 05/30/03 4:28am

DavidEye

I love "My Name Is Prince" although I don't know if you would consider that a rap song? As far as Prince's rapping goes,sometimes it works ("Days Of Wild" is fierce!) and sometimes he embarasses himself ("Acknowlege Me"..."you can come on over,tell a friend,I dont'care,bear"??).

I may be in the minority on this,but I liked it better when he mostly let Tony M. handle the rapping.
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Reply #31 posted 05/30/03 4:30am

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laurarichardson said:

BlaqueKnight said:

laurarichardson said:


He does a good job on 18 and over. You make it sound like it takes great skill to rap.(Lol)



There is an art and skill to rap. If you listen to Chuck D. & Public Enemy, Dead Prez, Talieb Kwalei, and even Biggie, Pac, Scarface and Ice Cube you come to learn the intricate nuiances that differenciate between GOOD rap and just rhyming sentences. That's why real rappers laugh at cats like 50 Cent & Ja Rule and laugh even harder when singers try to rap. You say I act as if there is some skill to rapping, when actually the real question is why don't you know the difference between good rap and bad. People are STILL trying to pretend that hip hop is not a "valid" artform. Sheesh! Hip hop & rap aren't going anywhere. I've learned to understand and therefore appreciate it. So should the rest of the "naysayers' on this board. Prince can kick a clever line or two, but his delivery is for shit and his flow is wack. Corny as HELL. He's an expert vocalist, but his rap skillz are sub par. Trying to devalue the artform itself won't change that.
p.s. 18 & Over is a perfect example of why Prince SHOULDN'T rap. Singing is his game. He should stick to it.

[This message was edited Thu May 29 16:39:13 PDT 2003 by BlaqueKnight]

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"You say I act as if there is some skill to rapping, when actually the real question is why don't you know the difference between good rap and bad. People are STILL trying to pretend that hip hop is not a "valid" artform. Sheesh! Hip hop & rap aren't going anywhere. I've learned to understand and therefore appreciate it. So should the rest of the "naysayers' on this board. Prince can kick a clever line or two, but his delivery is for shit and his flow is wack. Corny as HELL. He's an expert vocalist, but his rap skillz are sub par. Trying to devalue the artform itself won't change that.
p.s. 18 & Over is a perfect example of why Prince SHOULDN'T rap. Singing is his game. He should"

Just like rappers you talk a lot bullshit!!!

I do not give a rat's ass about rap to care about who is good and who is bad. Right now the top ten cd's on the charts are by rock acts. Kind of looks like rap may have had it's moment. All things come to an end and I am glad it has finally starting to happen with Rap.

If Rap is in an artform. Please explain why rappers cannot maintain their careers beyond two or three recordings. I'll tell you why because it requires little or no talent to do it. I give Public Enemy credit because the lyrics were great but, the rest of it is about as relevent as disco music. I have also let people who are rap fans listen to 18 and over and they liked the song. They did not fall out of their chairs but, they seemed to like it.

So much for the artform of rapping. I could find a wino off the corner to rap and sell some cd's. Oh !!! I forgot all of the rappers out today are winos off the corner. (LOL)




Wow,Laura,you REALLY seem to despise rap,dontcha? smile
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Reply #32 posted 05/30/03 6:21am

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BlaqueKnight said:

laurarichardson said:


He does a good job on 18 and over. You make it sound like it takes great skill to rap.(Lol)



There is an art and skill to rap. If you listen to Chuck D. & Public Enemy, Dead Prez, Talieb Kwalei, and even Biggie, Pac, Scarface and Ice Cube you come to learn the intricate nuiances that differenciate between GOOD rap and just rhyming sentences. That's why real rappers laugh at cats like 50 Cent & Ja Rule and laugh even harder when singers try to rap. You say I act as if there is some skill to rapping, when actually the real question is why don't you know the difference between good rap and bad. People are STILL trying to pretend that hip hop is not a "valid" artform. Sheesh! Hip hop & rap aren't going anywhere. I've learned to understand and therefore appreciate it. So should the rest of the "naysayers' on this board. Prince can kick a clever line or two, but his delivery is for shit and his flow is wack. Corny as HELL. He's an expert vocalist, but his rap skillz are sub par. Trying to devalue the artform itself won't change that.
p.s. 18 & Over is a perfect example of why Prince SHOULDN'T rap. Singing is his game. He should stick to it.

[This message was edited Thu May 29 16:39:13 PDT 2003 by BlaqueKnight]


I'll give you Public Enemy, Dead Prez and Biggie but to include 2 Pac, Ice Cube and Scarface in the same paragraph talking about "real rappers" is hysterical. 2 Pac is the biggest joke of them all and is no different from Ja Rule. He was manufactured. From his days with Digital Underground to Death Row. And Scarface only hit it because NWA made it big with their manufactured sound. (though i dont discredit the influence of Ice Cube and NWA or Scarface...and to a lesser extent, 2 Pac on suburban white boys)

The problem with hip hop is the truely talented rarely get noticed because they dont have "Hootie Hooo's" and "Uggghhh's" and "Bling Bling's" Commercial rap is nothing but a series of catch phrases now and it is a joke. The real talent lies with men like Kool Keith, Company Flow, Del the Funky Homosapien and Jedi Mind Tricks. People that dont need a specific backing track for them to sound good. Kool Keith and Del have done everything from rapping over rock to hip hop to electronica beats. That is where the talent lies. To be versatile enough to adapt their rapping style to any kind of music. Not just do the same song over and over again like 2 Pac did. Chuck D could do it. Dead Prez could do it too.
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Reply #33 posted 05/30/03 7:10am

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chemmie said:

The problem with hip hop is the truely talented rarely get noticed because they dont have "Hootie Hooo's" and "Uggghhh's" and "Bling Bling's" Commercial rap is nothing but a series of catch phrases now and it is a joke. The real talent lies with men like Kool Keith, Company Flow, Del the Funky Homosapien and Jedi Mind Tricks. People that dont need a specific backing track for them to sound good. Kool Keith and Del have done everything from rapping over rock to hip hop to electronica beats. That is where the talent lies. To be versatile enough to adapt their rapping style to any kind of music. Not just do the same song over and over again like 2 Pac did. Chuck D could do it. Dead Prez could do it too.

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Reply #34 posted 05/30/03 9:10am

UptownDeb

Prince's got skills, but they sho' ain't in rappin'! Honorable mention goes to Stevie Wonder's "Do I Do." But Stevie wasn't even trying to front. During the song he even says "I know I can not rhyme..." Why can't Prince be as humble? smile
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Reply #35 posted 05/30/03 11:07am

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UptownDeb said:

Why can't Prince be as humble? smile


"I got the butter for yo' muffin... I'm just too old to hold the knife" (from the 'Come On' video clip)

In my book, that's way too much humility from Prince!

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"You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person."
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Reply #36 posted 05/30/03 11:26am

agentmonday

Joshy84au said:

damn all i wanted was a list of a few songs u would put on a cd if u HAD TO make a cd of ur fave/best prince rap tracks.

i dont know or care if he is the best/worst rapper in the world...
i just love listenin 2 it,whether u call it rapping or singing or talking or rhyming.
remember i wasn't asking about what u would put on there 4 rap experts... or 2 impress Suge Knight...
but 4 someoen u know say... who likes listening 2 hip hop & may like it.

btw,talking is rapping... so i rap whenever i say something.
if u wanna get technical
[This message was edited Thu May 29 19:51:00 PDT 2003 by Joshy84au]





Some of mine:

Strange But True
Billy Jack Bitch
I Bitch
Had U
Housequake
Face Down
P Control (remix)
Now
Live4Love
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Reply #37 posted 05/30/03 12:47pm

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Rapping is the junk food of musical creation. Prince does it the way he does it to be unique, that's it. He talk sings more than raps anyway. When you say he can't rap you are saying he is lacking as a musician'; and you all know that that isn't true.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #38 posted 05/30/03 3:52pm

BlaqueKnight

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chemmie said:
I'll give you Public Enemy, Dead Prez and Biggie but to include 2 Pac, Ice Cube and Scarface in the same paragraph talking about "real rappers" is hysterical. 2 Pac is the biggest joke of them all and is no different from Ja Rule. He was manufactured. From his days with Digital Underground to Death Row. And Scarface only hit it because NWA made it big with their manufactured sound. (though i dont discredit the influence of Ice Cube and NWA or Scarface...and to a lesser extent, 2 Pac on suburban white boys)

The problem with hip hop is the truely talented rarely get noticed because they dont have "Hootie Hooo's" and "Uggghhh's" and "Bling Bling's" Commercial rap is nothing but a series of catch phrases now and it is a joke. The real talent lies with men like Kool Keith, Company Flow, Del the Funky Homosapien and Jedi Mind Tricks. People that dont need a specific backing track for them to sound good. Kool Keith and Del have done everything from rapping over rock to hip hop to electronica beats. That is where the talent lies. To be versatile enough to adapt their rapping style to any kind of music. Not just do the same song over and over again like 2 Pac did. Chuck D could do it. Dead Prez could do it too.[/quote]


Sounds like SOMEBODY is a little east coast biased here - and its not me. Ice Cube's solo material is proof of his lyrical skills, his FLOW is tight and aside from Chuck and DMX, he has one of the best deliveries around. Granted nowadays he's not making waves, but Cube was as clever lyrically as Biggie. That's why I listed him. Pac had a HUGE variety of subject matter. I hated that gang shit, but Pac was one of the most well rounded rappers in that he represented the 3 dimensional human being. He would write songs like "Dear Momma" and in another song call all women bitches and in another he'd be talking about partying. He was a good expressionist - like Prince. Del the Funky Homosapien, Gang Starr and Pharoah Monche are highly under rated, but are truely skilled as well. Scarface tells stories better than any rapper in the game AND has GREAT delivery. Go back and listen to his second CD. A good rapper can be judged on three things:
LYRICS, DELIVERY and FLOW.
Chuck embodies all 3. Example: Mystikal - great delivery, weird but unique flow and terrible lyrics. Talieb - great lyrics and flow, weak delivery. DMX - amazing delivery, tight flow, o.k. lyrics. Ludacris: Strong flow, decent delivery but WEAK lyrics. Prince: weak flow, wack delivery and the only redeemable thing from his raps have been his ability to be lyrically clever. Prince's legacy preceeded rap's rise to power and he should never have felt the need to do anything but sing. Who needs to rap when you can sing?



2freaky4church1 said:

Rapping is the junk food of musical creation. Prince does it the way he does it to be unique, that's it. He talk sings more than raps anyway. When you say he can't rap you are saying he is lacking as a musician'; and you all know that that isn't true.




Completely untrue. The same thing was said about R&B, Rock, Jazz and every other newer musical artform. Prince rapped because it seems he thinks of rap in the same way that other so-called musical elitists do. If you think rap is just sentences that rhyme, then when you write one, that's exactly what its going to sound like. From the way Prince raps, it seems he thinks of rap as bullshit. Millions of others have a difference of opinion on that. When I say Prince can't rap, I'm not saying he is lacking as a musician, I'm saying he's lacking as a rapper - and he is. Its okay to have shortcomings. The problems start when you fail to admit that you have them
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Reply #39 posted 05/30/03 3:55pm

chookalana

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"See the rapper's problem, usually stand from being tone deaf. Pack the house and try to sing, there won't be no one left."
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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mac 'nuff said.
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Reply #40 posted 05/30/03 4:07pm

Jorgen

Why nobody mentions Ps BEST rap ever?
COME ON (remix)!!!
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Reply #41 posted 05/31/03 12:01pm

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alexnvrmnd said:

Maybe Race too, but that's a maybe!


Maybe? I think Race is his best rap, mainly because he's doing it in his own style, rather than trying to sound like a rapper.
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