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Reply #60 posted 05/22/03 10:17am

FunkMistress

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Oh, boy. rolleyes
And they make better babies, too.
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Reply #61 posted 05/22/03 10:23am

unremarkable

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But black people are more naturally inclined to be rhythmic than white people. It's one of natures given attributes.

Also they're better sprinters (see the Olympics) than white folk. Fortunately for whitey, there is always the swimming pool. wink


They have bigger dicks, too.

Even the women.

That's what I heard.
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Reply #62 posted 05/22/03 10:25am

Handclapsfinga
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unremarkable said:

Even the women.

riiight.
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Reply #63 posted 05/22/03 10:25am

Marrk

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FunkMistress said:

Oh, boy. rolleyes
And they make better babies, too.


you said that, not me!

you do know what wink signifies at the end of a post don't you? rolleyes




























wink = not entirely telling the truth.
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Reply #64 posted 05/22/03 10:25am

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unremarkable said:

Marrk said:

But black people are more naturally inclined to be rhythmic than white people. It's one of natures given attributes.

Also they're better sprinters (see the Olympics) than white folk. Fortunately for whitey, there is always the swimming pool. wink


They have bigger dicks, too.

Even the women.


Actually, compared to the probable size of your dick, I'll bet my last black girlfriends clit was bigger.
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Reply #65 posted 05/22/03 10:41am

Starmist7

All these threads about these issues concerning 'fans'...Prince is a biased human being like anyone else, I'm not justifying what he is saying or doing, but what if he felt it and didn't express it, would that make everyone happy? America is a racist country, Prince as a successful artist...I'm sure came across it dozens of times, just like everyone else. He did not wake up from a bed full of roses, where everything fell on his lap. He's where he's at because he worked hard for it. People experience racism everyday, even within the same races, and Prince is Black, he relates to all the racism of what may be ancient history, or present day...at least he's speaking about it and not keeping shut. Maybe it will lead him to some type of truth, where he won't be biased in that way...but still, the bottom line, would that make everyone happy???
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Reply #66 posted 05/22/03 10:43am

ChickenLittle

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VelvetSplash said:

abierman said:

DavidEye said:

spx said:

I think you are wrong about Dinner with delores...
I hear:" dancing like a WILD girl..."
Wich sounds more logical to me.




Nope,he is saying "dancing like a WHITE girl".Btw,I don't think that line is offensive at all.It's meant as a joke.


yeah right, until I make jokes about black people...


It is just a joke, but I agree if a white artist made a similar light-hearted stereotype joke, it would be pounced on.

I think it's perceived as OK for black people to joke about white people in the media because no-ones wants to cause a fuss, and stir up a hornets nest.




Actually,White artists HAVE made such comments in their songs too.Have you ever heard "Some Girls" by the Rolling Stones?


Stones also sing about black women in Brown Sugar.

I don't think that Prince is "racist." I think in the 80s, he had many more white associates, managers, band members, girlfriends etc. Prince was engaged to marry a woman who is white. His best friends were white.

Now most of the people around him are black, but that doesn't make him a "racist." Most of the people around Garth Brooks are white, but that doesn't mean Garth's a "racist."
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Reply #67 posted 05/22/03 12:58pm

realm

I also do not think Prince is racist. I can comment on my own reality, I live/work in a large city and I'm like the only white guy in my office. I can tell you this that many people will favor people of there own race. I have seen this happen the other way around also, where I grew up mostly everyone was white and everyone tended to favor white people. What I mean by all this is some people only have opinions that are good related to people of there own race.

This backs me into corners when it comes to asking someone for a reference to job performance etc.. I've seen many people who will only say good things about there race. Thats where I think the 'dancing like a' well whatever struck a cord. It doesn't matter what Prince thinks really, I think he is no racist, I think some of his ideas are shit, but overall I like his music and the fans I have met have been cool.

When I have my own struggles to survive, I find little time to worry about poor Prince sitting up in his mansion, his music bring me some joy, but many other artists give me some great music also! Im in it to win it, black/white whoever is good and has my back are my friends. I like many people no matter what there color and from what I have seen from Prince he does the same. Hell the Exodus cd listen to that..haha there is some humor to all that, some of it maybe not pc in time, but I do not see Prince as a racist.

Overall I say many people these days "favor"
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Reply #68 posted 05/22/03 12:59pm

Blackcat

unremarkable said:

Marrk said:

But black people are more naturally inclined to be rhythmic than white people. It's one of natures given attributes.

Also they're better sprinters (see the Olympics) than white folk. Fortunately for whitey, there is always the swimming pool. wink


They have bigger dicks, too.

Even the women.

That's what I heard.
[This message was edited Thu May 22 10:25:45 PDT 2003 by unremarkable]


And herein lies the problem in America today. It's why white women flock to them. It's why white men envy and thus hate them.

As for the women, some of us got bigger balls then most men can handle, but considering the current status of black women today and in the past, we present with amazing survival skills. Always have and always will. Don't hate!
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Reply #69 posted 05/22/03 1:39pm

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I dont if anyone recalls hearing the lyrics of Everlasting Now in TRC, where he talks about a black man who was a pop mega star...but in the end of the verse he says (not in verbatim)"all the money u have and all the women u laid...u change the flag to them u're still a spade."

In America today, many people, especially white people, think that being a successful black person, such as Prince, Oprah, P.Diddy, etc...excludes them from racism. People have to understand that as much money as they make, for every black successful person in this world, there r probably 10 or 20 white ones that makes more than them. And it can be easily be taken away in one big swoop because they essentially dont have that much control over it.

Racism is not mainly race...its about someone having the power over another. Therefore, I believe Black people can never be racists.
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Reply #70 posted 05/22/03 1:49pm

VelvetSplash

one2three said:
In America today, many people, especially white people,...


Again, I re-iterate people are individuals, white people do not have a collective consciousness, do not tar all white people with the same brush.

one2three said:
Racism is not mainly race...its about someone having the power over another. Therefore, I believe Black people can never be racists.


That is utter bullshit. a black person can be equally as racist as a white person.

Do you not see the irony in saying an individual can be something soley based on the colour of their skin, yet another of different skin tone cannot be that?
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Reply #71 posted 05/22/03 1:51pm

Blackcat

one2three said:


Racism is not mainly race...its about someone having the power over another. Therefore, I believe Black people can never be racists.


Thank you. And even if Black people were in control of the world, it definately wouldn't be this fucked up, as we are mainly a spiritual lot. It's when we are under the influence of an oppressor that we get all out of wack. Misguided and misdirected, herding us into stupidity. I say to all you terrified racists -- let go of the reins and see what happens. Put down your guns, your nuclear & biological weapons. Like Prince says..."let everybody get in the game" nod
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Reply #72 posted 05/22/03 2:17pm

realm

one2three said:


Racism is not mainly race...its about someone having the power over another. Therefore, I believe Black people can never be racists.

I do know what your getting at, but I wanna throw this at ya. Control and Power..are two different things. When P had lots of power he had less control. Now he has more control and little power.
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Reply #73 posted 05/22/03 2:19pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

unremarkable said:

That's a recognized phallacy, by the way.

it's spelled fallacy, while you're bumpin your lips...



eek falloff talk about living up to your name...
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Reply #74 posted 05/22/03 2:49pm

namepeace

I may not care for Prince's new music, and I haven't been his biggest supporter lately, but to call him a racist is absurd. He's undergoing an awakwening of his racial consciousness. It's a little unnerving to many of his fans, and that's understandable: he used to speak of wishing there was no "black or white" and not needing "no race." He used to have an integrated band and dated/married women of different races. In fact, many of his black fans regularly accused him of not being "black" enough. Now the pendulum is swinging a little bit. He's exploring issues of race rather explicitly now and some of y'all don't like where he's going with it.


What's wrong with him exploring racial history? He could be wrong about some of those things, but he's no racist. He's just not giving some of his fans what they expect anymore. To them I say, JOIN THE CLUB! :laugh:
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Reply #75 posted 05/22/03 2:52pm

namepeace

I may not care for Prince's new music, and I haven't been his biggest supporter lately, but to call him a racist is absurd. He's undergoing an awakwening of his racial consciousness. It's a little unnerving to many of his fans, and that's understandable: he used to speak of wishing there was no "black or white" and not needing "no race." He used to have an integrated band and dated/married women of different races. In fact, many of his black fans regularly accused him of not being "black" enough. Now the pendulum is swinging a little bit. He's exploring issues of race rather explicitly now and some of y'all don't like where he's going with it.


What's wrong with him exploring racial history? He could be wrong about some of those things, but he's no racist. He's just not giving some of his fans what they expect anymore. To them I say, JOIN THE CLUB! :laugh:
Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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Reply #76 posted 05/22/03 3:30pm

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unremarkable said:

Zazu said:

I must say that in my opinion "black" guys can dance much better than "white" guys.


Then you're an idiot.


chill boxed



Somewhat harsh i feel...


Right JaneyPoos shall say her views...

unremarkable my dear, i understand what you are saying, that it seems that racism can be accepted from one stand-point and not from another. The long and short is that it shouldn't be happening at all, we know this- deep down... we all know this.

It is not our place to judge other people or for them to judge us though I realise there's alot of hate in alot of people. Prince has changed his style for many reasons perhaps (as corny as this is going to sound) he is trying to find himself, scouring religions and scouring the past looking for his place.

I do not believe however this 'racism' is intended, he seems to be mixing past and present as u said.

The concept of it all has been blown out of all proportion! In reality there is little to be offended by... think rationally.

"Dancing like a white girl." I agree with DavidEye who said this shouldn't be taken seriously. i do not think it is intended as racist at all its no worse than stuff you may hear everyday. It is like a general comment

When they call you articulate, that's another way of saying 'He talks good for a black guy' Ice-T '95

That is a reply to a general comment, as styles of talking are picked up on and often commented on shrug .

I think it is Princes humour and his own research, there is no need to feel so angry at him or indeed any1. If you pick up on such little things you can find racism in anything and in any1... please try not to become part of this way of thinking!


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Reply #77 posted 05/22/03 3:31pm

bananacologne

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In criticizing his right to talk about his feelings although his feelings might not be soothing to you...

hmmm rolleyes

*Talkin'-so-fast-that-even-they-Talkin'-so-fast-that-even-they-Don't-know-what-they-mean-edit*
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Reply #78 posted 05/22/03 3:44pm

bananacologne

one2three said:

Racism is not mainly race...its about someone having the power over another. Therefore, I believe Black people can never be racists.


clueless hmm


VelvetSplash said:

That is utter bullshit. a black person can be equally as racist as a white person.

Do you not see the irony in saying an individual can be something soley based on the colour of their skin, yet another of different skin tone cannot be that?:


JaneyPoos said:
Right JaneyPoos shall say her views...

unremarkable my dear, i understand what you are saying, that it seems that racism can be accepted from one stand-point and not from another. The long and short is that it shouldn't be happening at all, we know this- deep down... we all know this.

It is not our place to judge other people or for them to judge us though I realise there's alot of hate in alot of people. Prince has changed his style for many reasons perhaps (as corny as this is going to sound) he is trying to find himself, scouring religions and scouring the past looking for his place.

I do not believe however this 'racism' is intended, he seems to be mixing past and present as u said.

The concept of it all has been blown out of all proportion! In reality there is little to be offended by... think rationally.

"Dancing like a white girl." I agree with DavidEye who said this shouldn't be taken seriously. i do not think it is intended as racist at all its no worse than stuff you may hear everyday. It is like a general comment

When they call you articulate, that's another way of saying 'He talks good for a black guy' Ice-T '95

That is a reply to a general comment, as styles of talking are picked up on and often commented on shrug .

I think it is Princes humour and his own research, there is no need to feel so angry at him or indeed any1. If you pick up on such little things you can find racism in anything and in any1... please try not to become part of this way of thinking!
peace


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Reply #79 posted 05/22/03 5:42pm

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Reply #80 posted 05/22/03 5:47pm

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you guys are fucking crazy!!!
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Reply #81 posted 05/22/03 6:57pm

realm

one2three said:

I dont if anyone recalls hearing the lyrics of Everlasting Now in TRC, where he talks about a black man who was a pop mega star...but in the end of the verse he says (not in verbatim)"all the money u have and all the women u laid...u change the flag to them u're still a spade."

In America today, many people, especially white people, think that being a successful black person, such as Prince, Oprah, P.Diddy, etc...excludes them from racism. People have to understand that as much money as they make, for every black successful person in this world, there r probably 10 or 20 white ones that makes more than them. And it can be easily be taken away in one big swoop because they essentially dont have that much control over it.

Racism is not mainly race...its about someone having the power over another. Therefore, I believe Black people can never be racists.

What successful people like Prince, Oprah, P.Diddy..etc.. do understand is people make the world go round. People of all color put them where they are today. Well I hope they all understand that. Why care about people? all people? When your successful you understand they are your foundation.
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Reply #82 posted 05/22/03 10:45pm

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Prince ain't no Racist&a Black Man can't Ever Be in Amerikkka No Way because We Don't Own Nothing or Control anything.some folks forget that Prince is a Black Man&Has dealt with Racism daily Growing Up.I Remember Him saying in a History Class that when He was Going to School He saw a Picture of a Black Man Being Hung.Prince threw alot of folks Some Cotton Candy in Purple Rain but if you look truly within you Know Prince ain't Pulling a Wayne Brady.Prince is very Much a Brother, but He is cool with People Period.
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Reply #83 posted 05/23/03 2:50am

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No matter what colour you are, no matter which country you're in or are from, no matter what you control--if you pre-judge someone on the basis of their skin colour or race, you're a racist.
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Reply #84 posted 05/23/03 5:45am

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Prince isn't a racist. I've read the so-called "offensive" new lyrics he's posted in the BS - sorry VS - room and they're not remotely racist, merely stating a few very well known historical facts.
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Reply #85 posted 05/23/03 6:42am

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"well-known historical facts"
better re-read your history and especially the part where the moors invaded spain and started the conflict
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Reply #86 posted 05/23/03 8:04am

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VelvetSplash said:

http://www.rent-a-negro.com/


that site is appaling disbelief
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Reply #87 posted 05/23/03 8:33am

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VelvetSplash said:

one2three said:
In America today, many people, especially white people,...


Again, I re-iterate people are individuals, white people do not have a collective consciousness, do not tar all white people with the same brush.

If u r not one of these white people I am talking about, then u have nothing to worry being in the same "brush" as u would say.
one2three said:
Racism is not mainly race...its about someone having the power over another. Therefore, I believe Black people can never be racists.


That is utter bullshit. a black person can be equally as racist as a white person.

Do you not see the irony in saying an individual can be something soley based on the colour of their skin, yet another of different skin tone cannot be that?


I see nothing ironic about seeing a black woman making 6 figures, with no criminal record, driving a BMW 6 Series, and constantly being pull over by police for no reason. But u would never know nor comprehend what it is like to live the way black people do in America...which is why u stated that opinion of yours, innate as it is.
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Reply #88 posted 05/23/03 11:51am

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unremarkable said:

Many of Prince's pre-JW/pre-Larry (what's the difference?) records have lyrics with a healthy and positive outlook towards racial integration. "White, black, puerto-rican..." ...and countless others, we know them all. And, cool, yeah?

Hmmm. In the 90s, we know, Prince was accused by many of selling out, of not being "black enough". He certainly felt this; you can tell by the language of his records, not to mention the introduction of rap (which he'd previously slated), that he really felt the need to prove himself to his black audience, to remain hip. From the "normal" language of the 80s albums, we suddenly get tracks full of "nigga" and "check 1,2", "brothas"...I don't recall a "hood" anywhere, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

And the song, "Dinner With Delores". I was shocked when I heard the line about her "dancing like a white girl". Excuse me?! Stop swearing if you don't like it, Prince, whatever, but you need to learn that offensiveness is in ideas, not in words.

And now we're getting songs about blackness all the time, about afrocentrism, the importance of roots, of history. Songs about the injustice that has been done to Prince, to the black people. Well, hmm, Prince, you haven't technically picked cotton in anyone's fields yourself, have you? In fact, you have quite a luxurious life in America, don't you? Better than the vast majority of America's white citizens. Fair enough if you want to write songs about injustice, but these songs overstep the mark, valuing words over ideas and valuing the past over the present.

Prince. Where people come from, doesn't matter. Where words come from, doesn't matter, either; it's what we mean by them that counts. Stop dredging up ancient history and preaching about which race is more righteous than the next, because, frankly, it's disturbing.

And it wasn't even so long ago you wrote:

"If the air is a little thick in this room 2nite
I reckon it's the result of an onslaught of separatist rookies
Overcome by this colorful sight

Talkin' so fast that even they
Talkin' so fast that even they
Don't know what they mean

Of all the things that base a rhyme
How is it that U everytime
Regurgitate the racist lines that keep us apart?"



Buddy: if Prince wrote a funky song called "Hitler Had Some Good Ideas", there would still be some nuts that would defend it!Isn't it obivious to you-many people here couldn't be objective if their live's depended on it
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Reply #89 posted 05/23/03 1:17pm

Rhondab

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unremarkable said:

The implication is that white girls can't dance, and that's offensive.


No, it's offensive when someone who cant dance fucks up the electric slide..get your ass back to holdin up the wall


LAUGHIN' HARD


you are stupid...lol
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