for those of you who dont find any racism in these lyrics.

if "long haired barbarians" were replaced with "velcro headed spear chuckers" would u find this racist, coz i sure as hell would, whats the difference?

as someone who doesnt live in the states i have observed that black or white it doesnt matter, your all as bad as each other, when it comes to racism, thankfully i dont live in such a divisive society. and b4 u ask...new zealand.

lust said:

You're pro-Israel and living in New Zealand, how well have they treated their indigenous peoples? How integrated are they to this day?

Essence said:

check out the treaty of waitangi, they are more than intergrated today, in fact the maoris have a lot more health and education benefits than the rest of society, the maoris have been treated far better than native americans adn aborigines, you really should check it out, you would be surprised, yes im pro israel, doesmt maen im anti palestinian tho, i guess your little dig means you cant refute my origional comment then.

Essence said:

check out the treaty of waitangi, they are more than intergrated today, in fact the maoris have a lot more health and education benefits than the rest of society, the maoris have been treated far better than native americans adn aborigines, you really should check it out, you would be surprised, yes im pro israel, doesmt maen im anti palestinian tho, i guess your little dig means you cant refute my origional comment then.

lust said:

I don't have digs man, I just replied to the way you frowned at USA as some freak racial cauldron while you are part of the same issues in a different area of the globe. New Zealand's history with indigenous people hasn't been smooth to say the least while Israel isn't exactly a paragon integrated utopia.

I think/hope you already know the difference between "long haired barbarians" referring to past era Europeans and "velcro headed spear chuckers" for Africa's people.

I'm just kinda wondering what is the purpose of this song if not to show one race better than another. Aren't there other truths to expose that will actually bring us together instead of making us feel so separate and better (or worse) than another? What's the purpose? That's all I ask.

I'm just kinda wondering what is the purpose of this song if not to show one race better than another. Aren't there other truths to expose that will actually bring us together instead of making us feel so separate and better (or worse) than another? What's the purpose? That's all I ask.

Jasziah said:

How is pointing out an overlooked society "showing one race better than another???"

When I read about the Roman Empire, I didn't say my teacher was a racist. When I learned about the Queens of England, I didn't say Queen this or that was racist. When I learned about any white figure in American history, I didn't think of them as racists (not right away ).

Because Prince is exposing the history of some very influential Blacks why is this considered a poke at white folks? Come on people, stop being so damn defensive. White folks fucked up and that's the bottom line. Deal with it, because until then we just going to keep going around in circles, fighting about this that and the other. There will never be peace until the truth of Black people on this planet have been told. Until our Black youths realize who they are. Until white folks understand we are not ignorant, but are the original humans and that many advances in human progression is attributed to Blacks. Deal with the truth yall and stop making EXCUSES for the reason you can't accept it. Damn!

When I read about the Roman Empire, I didn't say my teacher was a racist. When I learned about the Queens of England, I didn't say Queen this or that was racist. When I learned about any white figure in American history, I didn't think of them as racists (not right away ).

Because Prince is exposing the history of some very influential Blacks why is this considered a poke at white folks? Come on people, stop being so damn defensive. White folks fucked up and that's the bottom line. Deal with it, because until then we just going to keep going around in circles, fighting about this that and the other. There will never be peace until the truth of Black people on this planet have been told. Until our Black youths realize who they are. Until white folks understand we are not ignorant, but are the original humans and that many advances in human progression is attributed to Blacks. Deal with the truth yall and stop making EXCUSES for the reason you can't accept it. Damn!

Essence said:

This isn't a comfortable debate in what is normally a relaxed and enlightening forum. But I believe that it is important to calm the flames of any debate that threatens to get out of hand.

Tolerance and understanding is the lifeblood of society, and Prince's message in his current lyrics is a welcome, if misunderstood, contribution to the debate.

I actually respect him more than I have for ages after reading this.

Blackcat said:

I understand. what is next, to pick apart who is this or that?

or a little black or white?
[This message was edited Wed May 21 20:21:08 PDT 2003 by naturegirl]

When I read about the Roman Empire, I didn't say my teacher was a racist. When I learned about the Queens of England, I didn't say Queen this or that was racist. When I learned about any white figure in American history, I didn't think of them as racists (not right away ).

Because Prince is exposing the history of some very influential Blacks why is this considered a poke at white folks? Come on people, stop being so damn defensive. White folks fucked up and that's the bottom line. Deal with it, because until then we just going to keep going around in circles, fighting about this that and the other. There will never be peace until the truth of Black people on this planet have been told. Until our Black youths realize who they are. Until white folks understand we are not ignorant, but are the original humans and that many advances in human progression is attributed to Blacks. Deal with the truth yall and stop making EXCUSES for the reason you can't accept it. Damn!

naturegirl said:

It ain't about black or white, it's about right and wrong. It's wrong for white people to blatantly coverup the history of blacks. This has caused all sorts of misunderstandings about black people. My problem is why is this so hard for white folks to understand? Who should correct this wrong? Should we wait for white folks, who have historically denied black people of everything under the sun to rewrite the history books? If so, that's some really funny logic. So my question again is why does Prince exposing our history make him a racist? That is just feeble minded!

White people, accept the fact that you are not the greatest living race that ever graced the face of the planet. It's not that hard. You cannot accept all the credit and none of the blame. COMPROMISE!!! Be for real and honest with yourselves. Much is going to be exposed about white folks. People are just fed up with all the bullshit. If we keep going on in this vein we will really end up in a fuckin MATRIX, because some people refuse to accept reality.

If more white people accept the fact that they are not superior there would be no need to pick this or that.
(I know, wishful thinking) cause we "all that" every single one of us, we just don't know it yet.
[This message was edited Wed May 21 21:02:37 PDT 2003 by Blackcat]

I've had it with Prince. He's half-white/European himself, so what a self-righteous hypocrite... What makes it worse is that he is actually sucking up to the North African Arabs, who make the same kind of arguments in their Jihad against the west.

Consider me an ex-fan.