Hahn got to make the book that ___ wanted to make.

rdhull said:

___ is a Hahn disciple. To the point that he can't even think for himself and repeats Hahn phrases from the book to make his points.

Supernova said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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So you think Prince should have been on national t.v. discussing the death of his child. He lied because it was know bodies business.

laurarichardson said:

I really wish he would have just told Oprah to mind her own fucking business.

laurarichardson said:

Thank you. Besides i wasn't just talking about Prince, I'm talking about all of the "according to an inside source" quotes he uses, what inside source???

You know what, shoudl I go out & get this book, or would I be wasting my money?

lovebizzare said:

Ya see, lovebizarre. This is why I won't read anything book about Prince unless he himself contributed to it. An inside source? Give me a fuckin' break.

NWF said:

you'd be wastin money, imo...but do whatcha feel.

NWF said:

That depends, do you want to read about Prince's sex life? If so, yeah but it. If not, yes it would be wasting your money. If you don't already have them, get "A pop life" & "dmsr", much better reads

preciosa863 said:

Thanks Ian. I thought you guys loved negativity here. I didn't think that "Shut Up" would be as offensive as alot of other things said here...

rdhull said:

You Blankety Blanks!

laurarichardson said:

Didn't slow down Wilt Chamberlain.



Believe me, if Prince can find a way, he will. He's really good at it.

I think what we have to do is look at what other people write, look at what associates and band members say, and look at what Prince says, or does.

Because Prince appears to live in a very warped, insular world - and what he says about something is often at the mercy of what he is doing at that particular time, not what actually happened.

He likes to build a mythology around himself for the public, and like all mythologies, it has a basis in fact, but is surrounded by a lot of things that simply aren't true.

So if you only take Prince's word on what happened, you would also see a very warped view of the reality of the situation.

Now I really don't care enough to delve into why he feels the need to make this mythology for himself, it makes it more interesting for a start to have the mythology there, so I wouldn't want to deconstruct it so much that we lose the mystique and all we see is the real Prince who sits on a toilet and squeezes out a turd like the rest of us.

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One thing I did get out of this book is a greater idea of how controlling he was and how insecure he must have been. I have said this before, Manuella was the best thing that ever happened to him. From what I know, the girl is a level headed type who does not come from wealth. The book really showed how he so badly needed a grounding force in his left after the 1987 era. Manuela is that force. It's no conincidence that he's become more open and less 'wacky' since being with her.

Reading how negative he was back in 1993-1996 is exactly how an old bandmember described it to me back then !
I was very young and defended prince up and down due to my naivety. I was surprised by this band member's negative feelings for Prince.

I'm glad he's found someone like Manuela, I also think she will and has showed him the virtues of being financially responsible. He's finally done the right thing by marrying someone who is no 'yes' man. I think the book also showed how the women he was with were often of the same mold - quiet, pretty and easily molded. Although Manuela seems quiet, and is very pretty - I don't believe it is he molding her,. nor do I think it is she molding him. She is
however showing him a diff. side of life and the results are super.

What the book fails to adequately portray is that despite the downward trajectory of Prince's material in the 90's, Prince is still huge. Once you achieve a certain level of fame you never ever come down from it. Prince could have given up on music after Lovesexy and never made another record ever, or as he did, he could continue to release what is perceived to be lesser material. (Lesser material than what he created in the 80's, but we still have 7, Last December etc that would grace any album from the 80's) It doesn't matter: both commercially and critically, Prince has been shown to be a superstar. His place in rock history is guaranteed. It doesn't matter if he was a control freak, or had mood swings, or whatever other shit he has done. He reached a level of fame where he will never fall from. Today Jimi Hendrix's bassist died. We know this because he was Jimi's bassist. If Sheila E died, or Rosie Gaines, or Wendy or Lisa, we'd hear because they played with Prince.

Although I seem to have gone off at a tangent, what I am trying to say is that the 'fall' part of the title is untrue Prince still matters. He can't fail to matter with his back catalogue

Ronny said:

I'm not disputing it, but how do you know Manuella is level headed and a grounding force for him?

sermwanderer said:

Actually he isn't.

To the general population, he is another washed-up 80s star, albiet one who achieved mass success and fame then.

Most non-fans I have encountered, i.e. everyone I know, didn't know that he has released anything since MBGITW.

sermwanderer said:

I shudder at that very thought...

VelvetSplash said:

Yes, most people I know are the same, but the point is everyone knows who he is. He may not be racing up the charts, but nobody worth a f**k is. Modern day artists cite him as an influence, people still cover his songs, last year "I would die 4 u" was a top 10 hit over here, by some monkeys called the Space Cowboys. So while I'm not disputing that nobody knows he has released anything since then, he is still a figure the public are very much aware of.

sermwanderer said:

Agreed.

That cover made the bile in my stomach want to rise - not the cover, just the fact that Prince is still releasing good music, and they would rather play this insipid French-Disco/House-4-years-too-late cover version.

But a lot of that is Prince's own doing, whether intentionally or not - he has made himself irrelevant.

Something I read the other day scared me: people bored in 1987 are now 16.

This means the youth of today have no recollection of the 80s, other than nostalgia and vague childhood memory.

I regard the 80s as the final decade of musical innovation and when the music business still had some life left in it - Now with globalisation, company mergers and fame/celebrity over talent and individualism, it scares me that this is the demographic targeted by record companies.

Supernova said:

Can you PROVE what he has written is not true??

All this dogging of "a source says" - do you seriously think he is some Prince-hating wierdo who made stuff up just to sell a book to a small number of hardcore fans who will buy it?

Seriously, some of those sources do not want to be named because of the repercussions they could face.

VelvetSplash said:

That's exactly what I was thinking!!!

Nobody denies that people in the book are truthful about their negative experiences with princve. Nobody is saying "they are just Prince hating" with no proof or reason. Its that that is all that seems to be reported..as if there is never anything or not one iota of good things of befriending or working with Prince etc. Fuck, is it that difficult to understand?

rdhull said:

thank you

fairlite said:

Can you prove your comprehension isn't lacking about that post?

rdhull said:

I think there is a lot of praise of Prince's work in the book, at least upto 1989.

But that's a general view that after this period his work suffered.

I do think the editorial slant in the book veers towards showing Prince is a light he would not like to be seen, and I think that stems from Prince's own inability to display his trueself to his public.

When you show a side of yourself as a self-made mythology - half space-age figurehead for self-expression and the other half romantic pseudo-religious figure - that leaves a whole lot of reality to be explained.

I think this book tries to explain that, which Prince does not.


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rdhull said:

Yes, of course. Everything should be spelled out in the most minute detail.

MrTation said: