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Prince’s Career on Camera: Insiders Recall Late Genius’ Difficult Relationship with Music Videos

Old, but it's funny in parts: https://www.billboard.com...s-7341616/

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Reply #1 posted 06/11/26 12:30am

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Look at you with the clickable links! wink

Good share. Thanks dude.

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Reply #2 posted 06/11/26 3:40pm

Vannormal

That was a good read and big laugh.

What an utter asshole Prince was, most of the time in his early star years, my god! ;-D

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #3 posted 06/11/26 6:38pm

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'The day before we’re going to shoot, I was told, “Paint a room purple and get a bathtub and some candles.”
And the bathtub wrangler had to get three bathtubs, so Prince could choose.
We were finally told that Prince would be in the bathtub naked, then crawl around on the floor.'

Laugh Out Loud funny stuff!
Prince was the Original Gangstah!
The one about the shoe change made me tv

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Reply #4 posted 06/11/26 8:08pm

Vannormal

nayroo2002 said:

'The day before we’re going to shoot, I was told, “Paint a room purple and get a bathtub and some candles.”
And the bathtub wrangler had to get three bathtubs, so Prince could choose.
We were finally told that Prince would be in the bathtub naked, then crawl around on the floor.'

Laugh Out Loud funny stuff!
Prince was the Original Gangstah!
The one about the shoe change made me tv

...and THAT took him 35 minutes to re-appear! LOL

You never knew with Prince.

Talking to someone in front of you via notes ffs, or via an assistant. I would kick his tight ass to the moon and back. biggrin

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #5 posted 06/11/26 10:04pm

rap

Ndorphinmachina said:

Look at you with the clickable links! wink

Good share. Thanks dude.

I didn't do anything unusual, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

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Reply #6 posted 06/12/26 7:00am

Vannormal

Sometimes I wonder if Prince had some kind of mental disorder, like autism or something.

I don’t know if he ever went to therapy, or if he relied on scientific help given all his bizarre, deeply held religious beliefs—especially from his time as a jehovah’s witness. But apparently, his (killing) faith allowed him to get heavy pills in illegal ways. Oh well. wink

I am not a docotor. But let's be honest, his behavior towards people he wanted to work with was at least to say extreem and bizarre.

We all know that he was known for being extremely shy and barely speaking.

Then, on stage, the complete oposite, in front of thousands of people, he’d almost take his pants off—you could even see his pubic hair... Bikini briefs? Come on.

How weird is all that? Ok it got all a bit more normal towards the end of his life so to say, but still.

When you read these stories from people who had to work with him, it makes no sense calling himl normal. smile

There was basically not much normal about Prince’s way of interacting with others it seems.

He more than often forced it strongly to whatever whim came up.

You weren’t allowed to look at him, talk to him, or do anything at all.

How is it possible that a shy and timid person like Prince, a small man and a lightweight, ever managed to get this far you might think. Talented? Well it must be. We all adore him.

Was it partly his character? Maybe.

The childhood problems? You always hear that, but it's too easy to put everything on that.

So imho there really must've been something seriously going on inside of his head to behave like that.

The more i hear and read, and find out about Prince, the more it gets strange and weird.

What a guy. Glad i never met him in person. wink I would've kicked his purple tight ass. LOL

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #7 posted 06/13/26 7:37pm

funkbabyandthe
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Wouldn't be surprised if he had ADHD though I'm hesitant as everyone seems to think they have ADHD these days

Had to be neuro divergent though.
[Edited 6/13/26 19:38pm]
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Reply #8 posted 06/13/26 7:57pm

funkbabyandthe
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Sheila e isn't black, sorry Sharon oreck. She's got some African genes in her bloodline but that doesn't make her simply black I'm afraid.
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Reply #9 posted 06/13/26 8:56pm

SoulAlive

interesting article biggrin it's crazy to think that Prince actually fined Wendy for...having a beer! nuts

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Reply #10 posted 06/14/26 3:23am

funkbabyandthe
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Also weird to think he was trying to appeal to grandmas and that's the reason why. Was he really?
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Reply #11 posted 06/14/26 3:42am

funkbabyandthe
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Anyone else think this piece ends a bit abruptly with the Janet Jackson quote? It's Ike there's meant to be a second part.

This piece explains why prince never had any videos on the level of mj and Madonna and how he got from directing videos to thinking him directing utcm was a good idea lol
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Reply #12 posted 06/14/26 4:20am

SoulAlive

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Also weird to think he was trying to appeal to grandmas and that's the reason why. Was he really?

biggrin yeah,that's crazy

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Reply #13 posted 06/14/26 7:44am

Vannormal

I like all these stories. They make him a real acceptable weird human being.

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Even The Estate could use this in a smart and humorous way to promote Prince's weird and self build genius.

But no... Instead they just wanna make him look a saint, with little to no promotion.

MacMillions should post each of these stories on his X profile.

And try to feel and promote the humor/human being side Prince.

It's unmistakably a big part of his genius.

How else could he achieved and build his stardom, whilst the entire music industry and those who still care about him, always looked up to him with big admiration.

So many people in the industry wanted to work with him, no matter how fucked up his ways of work seemed.

How about that Londell? Spicer? Can U Relate?

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #14 posted 06/14/26 7:55am

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The stories are great. Some of the best I've read actually. I need more prince video stories!
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Reply #15 posted 06/14/26 10:06pm

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The man made terrible music videos. Unfortunately. I wish it wasn't so. All those 1999 era-videos are awful no-production-value preening, the Diamonds & Pearls videos are big-budget silliness, and Somewhere Here On Earth is plain boring, like the song. The only good ones: Kiss, Sign O The Times, I Wish U Heaven, Black Sweat (which is basically an updated version of the Kiss video).

PIPS! Eurgh...
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Reply #16 posted 06/15/26 2:39pm

Vannormal

Don't forget the incredibly original video for 'When 2 R In Love'.

It's a plain black screen with lyrics, with a simple reference to The Black Album.

Sounds silly, but I like it! biggrin

But it's full of errors. biggrin

Unfortunately not created...e's demand.

Warner Br. did it, and they made so much mistakes in the transcripted lyrics.

Hilarious really.

Anyways, There seems to be a lot of (home made?) video's and clips in the vault, Prince did in a whim with his then bandmates. Crazy simple stories put on film.

I'm not very interested in ever seeying this.

Didn't he do something like a short movie with Madhouse? That never saw the light of day?

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #17 posted 06/15/26 3:55pm

Gooddoctor23

Shit was pure comedy.

Prince was wild one 4 sure.

Graycap23 was ME!
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Reply #18 posted 06/15/26 6:52pm

funkbabyandthe
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I love the alphabet st video.

1999 is just a live performance video but the man was a great performer so it works.
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Reply #19 posted 06/16/26 5:23pm

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Vannormal said:

Don't forget the incredibly original video for 'When 2 R In Love'.

It's a plain black screen with lyrics, with a simple reference to The Black Album.

Sounds silly, but I like it! biggrin

But it's full of errors. biggrin

Unfortunately not created...e's demand.

Warner Br. did it, and they made so much mistakes in the transcripted lyrics.

Hilarious really.

Anyways, There seems to be a lot of (home made?) video's and clips in the vault, Prince did in a whim with his then bandmates. Crazy simple stories put on film.

I'm not very interested in ever seeying this.

Didn't he do something like a short movie with Madhouse? That never saw the light of day?

But it's full of errors. biggrin

Welcome to "the org", nayroo2002… life, it ain't real funky unless it's got that pop
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Reply #20 posted 06/16/26 10:12pm

rap

Vannormal said:

Don't forget the incredibly original video for 'When 2 R In Love'.

It's a plain black screen with lyrics, with a simple reference to The Black Album.

Sounds silly, but I like it! biggrin

But it's full of errors. biggrin

Unfortunately not created...e's demand.

Warner Br. did it, and they made so much mistakes in the transcripted lyrics.

Hilarious really.

Anyways, There seems to be a lot of (home made?) video's and clips in the vault, Prince did in a whim with his then bandmates. Crazy simple stories put on film.

I'm not very interested in ever seeying this.

Didn't he do something like a short movie with Madhouse? That never saw the light of day?

This?? https://youtu.be/7FHEXm4x...CEAjL3bmbd

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Reply #21 posted 06/18/26 4:49am

Vannormal

rap said:

Vannormal said:

Don't forget the incredibly original video for 'When 2 R In Love'.

It's a plain black screen with lyrics, with a simple reference to The Black Album.

Sounds silly, but I like it! biggrin

But it's full of errors. biggrin

Unfortunately not created...e's demand.

Warner Br. did it, and they made so much mistakes in the transcripted lyrics.

Hilarious really.

Anyways, There seems to be a lot of (home made?) video's and clips in the vault, Prince did in a whim with his then bandmates. Crazy simple stories put on film.

I'm not very interested in ever seeying this.

Didn't he do something like a short movie with Madhouse? That never saw the light of day?

This?? https://youtu.be/7FHEXm4x...CEAjL3bmbd

Yes! Thank you. smile

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Watched it. I somehow did remember some parts of it. Thought I'd never seen this before.

Anyway.

What a crap little movie, but how nice to see his almost whole entourgage.

1987 humor probably was (way) different from what we like today. wink

No need to release this for me.

[Edited 6/18/26 5:37am]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #22 posted 06/21/26 12:07pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Wouldn't be surprised if he had ADHD though I'm hesitant as everyone seems to think they have ADHD these days Had to be neuro divergent though. [Edited 6/13/26 19:38pm]


You sound like you don't know what ADHD is.

Prince was many things, but he definitely wasn't suffering from ADHD, quite the opposite.

You don't go from laying basic tracks to a final mix under 24 or 48 hours unless you're a monster at focus and concentration.

If anything, he had more symptoms of NPD.


This young man with a talented soul died when he wanted 2
So he shall not B pitied, nor shall the guilty B forgiven
Until they find it in their hearts 2 Right the Wrong
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Reply #23 posted 06/21/26 1:07pm

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Vannormal said:

Sometimes I wonder if Prince had some kind of mental disorder, like autism or something.

I don’t know if he ever went to therapy, or if he relied on scientific help given all his bizarre, deeply held religious beliefs—especially from his time as a jehovah’s witness. But apparently, his (killing) faith allowed him to get heavy pills in illegal ways. Oh well. wink

I am not a docotor. But let's be honest, his behavior towards people he wanted to work with was at least to say extreem and bizarre.

We all know that he was known for being extremely shy and barely speaking.

Then, on stage, the complete oposite, in front of thousands of people, he’d almost take his pants off—you could even see his pubic hair... Bikini briefs? Come on.

How weird is all that? Ok it got all a bit more normal towards the end of his life so to say, but still.

When you read these stories from people who had to work with him, it makes no sense calling himl normal. smile

There was basically not much normal about Prince’s way of interacting with others it seems.

He more than often forced it strongly to whatever whim came up.

You weren’t allowed to look at him, talk to him, or do anything at all.

How is it possible that a shy and timid person like Prince, a small man and a lightweight, ever managed to get this far you might think. Talented? Well it must be. We all adore him.

Was it partly his character? Maybe.

The childhood problems? You always hear that, but it's too easy to put everything on that.

So imho there really must've been something seriously going on inside of his head to behave like that.

The more i hear and read, and find out about Prince, the more it gets strange and weird.

What a guy. Glad i never met him in person. wink I would've kicked his purple tight ass. LOL



It's probably impossible for a human being to be the recipient of such talent and stay "normal",
unless you have been given a steady, solid familial environment to grow up in, and to fall back to when too much hot air fills your head.

As for handling wealth, fame and power, countless serious studies show that it veers you into sociopathic behaviour.
Again, if you don't have the environment to keep your feet to the ground.
But we know Prince chose to place his own ankles above terra firma, physically and figuratively.

Ambition is a very dangerous path, as the Warner's debacle proved.
There are strong arguments for saying he never got over it.


I think he handled it well by choosing to stay in Minneapolis instead of Beverly Hills,
but then again, it might have stemmed from his control freak penchants than anything else.
And in the end, even that wasn't enough to refrain him from falling into thinking he was God's Greatest Gift.

The second half of his career would have been much more interesting if he had learned to let go of his ego way before his last two years on earth.
You can see he was working on it, and we all are eager to know what it would have been like, but fate decided otherwise.

Thank God he let some gems like "Breakdown" and "Black Muse" that hint to victories over his demons and the understanding of the futilities.
But it has been a permanent struggle.

"I've seen the top / And it's just a dream": you would have thought from this sentence he was already on the other side of the mountain,
but no, more Baby Blue Bentleys to come, more younger trophy women, more Turks and Caicos' billionnaire mansions.

The curse that engulfs every American soul with the very things God despises is the hardest to exorcise, even for the ones claiming faith.
It blinded Americans so much, and it's so strong it has now infected the whole world.
And it is slowly precipitating all of us towards very dark times.
But I digress.


The main problem with trying to communicate Prince to newbies?
A lot of his post-eighties production revolves around his navel, and as fans, we forgive it all, because there's the paradox of generosity,
and a kind of heroism in trying not to rest on his laurels, the admiration for his relentless work ethic.
These are the reasons why us fans kept him afloat, by buying 20 bucks the 1-dollar bin horrors like "Carmen Electra" or "Children Of The Sun" (among many others).

But it takes a lifetime, the rhythm of a pre-smartphone life, months spent without a record, and then we get a bummer,
and then some fantastic redeeming live performances, and then another dud, and then him sueing us all,
and then more, albeit dispersed, sparks of genius.

It takes a hardcore fan to accept it all, to deal with all the Primadonna shit,
because aside from the universal appeal of Purple Rain (although The Kid reeks of paranoia), the rest is very difficult to digest for newcomers.
Too cryptic, too self-referential. You don't know what he's singing about if you don't know what songs came before.
Only we have the whole picture, and too often we forget the years it took us to get it.

The gigantic blind spot of The Estate resides precisely there : their greed prevents them to realise they can only sell The Vault's legacy to the fans.
In the process, yes, curious and inquisitive minds can be hooked, but they're going to be a rare breed in this time and age.

If only the Estate would accept this very fact, we would get regular outputs and they would get at least a decent stream of revenue.
But there are no millions to milk, because in spite of his taste for tacky expensive villas and thousands of shoes,
Prince never turned into a Golden Calf.

And it's a good thing, considering the extent of the brain damage of his "rival".
Prince's "difficult childhood" is barely a marketing stunt compared to the damage the gloved manchild suffered.
Even his sister and daughter ackowledged it.


I think the worst after-effect of Prince's delusions about his self, is the absence of a will,
this incomprehensible carelessness about The Vault, which to me suggests a deep,
muted self-loathing, which is the logical Yang to his years-long self-imbued Yin.

The second is not having turned Paisley Park into the second best music school in the U.S. after Berkeley.
This museum idea was proof he was (and that's understandable) deeply scared to detach himself of his megalomaniac tendencies,
for fear of the unknown, fear of having to fill the void with something else, of the efforts, time, and the many failures required
to transition into an existence where the ego finally returns to its rightful place.

Yes Men and Women, and the habitus of a lavish lifestyle for decades didn't make it possible.
All we have left are the last attempts we witnessed, and they'll have to do.

At least he tried, and this botched good-bye is enough, and worth of our love.


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This young man with a talented soul died when he wanted 2
So he shall not B pitied, nor shall the guilty B forgiven
Until they find it in their hearts 2 Right the Wrong
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Reply #24 posted 06/21/26 2:46pm

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fishwillbite said:

The man made terrible music videos. Unfortunately. I wish it wasn't so. All those 1999 era-videos are awful no-production-value preening, the Diamonds & Pearls videos are big-budget silliness, and Somewhere Here On Earth is plain boring, like the song. The only good ones: Kiss, Sign O The Times, I Wish U Heaven, Black Sweat (which is basically an updated version of the Kiss video).

I agree. Fans just want to see his pretty face so they'll watch anything but objectively, his videos were terrible. He stepped it up a bit in the 2000's but let's just say it wasn't his strongest point.

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BonnieC said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Wouldn't be surprised if he had ADHD though I'm hesitant as everyone seems to think they have ADHD these days Had to be neuro divergent though. [Edited 6/13/26 19:38pm]


You sound like you don't know what ADHD is.

Prince was many things, but he definitely wasn't suffering from ADHD, quite the opposite.

You don't go from laying basic tracks to a final mix under 24 or 48 hours unless you're a monster at focus and concentration.

If anything, he had more symptoms of NPD.


What's NPD ?

He was definitely neurodivergent.

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Reply #26 posted 06/22/26 8:02am

Vannormal

BonnieC said:

Vannormal said:


(...)
The gigantic blind spot of The Estate resides precisely there : their greed prevents them to realise they can only sell The Vault's legacy to the fans.
In the process, yes, curious and inquisitive minds can be hooked, but they're going to be a rare breed in this time and age.

If only the Estate would accept this very fact, we would get regular outputs and they would get at least a decent stream of revenue.
But there are no millions to milk, because in spite of his taste for tacky expensive villas and thousands of shoes,
Prince never turned into a Golden Calf.

And it's a good thing, considering the extent of the brain damage of his "rival".
Prince's "difficult childhood" is barely a marketing stunt compared to the damage the gloved manchild suffered.
Even his sister and daughter ackowledged it.

(...)

What each of us experiences in our youth is, in fact, partially processed through the process of growing up and gaining self-insight with the help of new friendships and relationships.

Prince always had fleeting relationships. Plus, it's known; he did indeed always shut himself off. Especially from himself, by throwing himself into his faith(s).

At a certain point in your life, you can’t keep attributing everything to what happened in your childhood. That’s what I think. (But each case is individuallydifferetn for sure.)

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But you made a point in what you’re saying about The Estate’s current stance.

Indeed there are no millions to milk.

Plus the many decisions they made are just plain stupid.

The 2018 classical approach of Prince music, 4U, was so not needed,

The release of The Revolution Live, could've been done different and more extended with rehearslas for example.

Not contiuing the release idea of Originals, the horrible musical, the flaws of the post clebrations, the debalce with Netflix, etc.

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I wish someone like Jay-z buy the Estate, and do something more creative with it.

Open things more up for study for all who are interested.

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it seems to me that post-artist managements in general are not working well, because the new non-musicians in charge only thing of making money with what's left.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #27 posted 06/25/26 2:14am

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This made me laugh 🤣
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Also, I love his music videos! I kinda like how he gets away with "performance videos" as it proved he didn't need to do much to captivate/relay the message. Batdance, many of the D&P videos - and Glam Slam are personal favorites
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