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Reply #60 posted 05/30/26 6:14am

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themanfromneptune said:

I think an example of Estate"s remastering/remix are the Musicology b-side estate "releases" some times ago. United States Of Division, Silver Tongue and Magnificent were remastered with a new mix for United States Of Division and Silver Tongue. No informations about the way they did it. It was good? I think the tracks were better than previous versions, but the lack of information is unacceptable for anyone who is not an occasional listener.


Yeah we have no clue what happened there.
I think the consensus is USOD was a mix Prince left behind and that they never even intended to release it, they just picked the wrong one in the vault...
and that SV was remade by Chris James (who does a great job, nothing to complain about there),.. But maybe it was also found as such?
Since we were not deemed worthy of information, that's all up to anyone's guess...
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Reply #61 posted 05/30/26 10:28am

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NICKthebrick said:

Maybe it will have all the songs played at the past Celebrations So All a Share together All The Kings Horses The Rock that Keeps Rolling Evolsidog Calabama Friction Shades Of Umber Beat town Call Of The Wild A Couple Of Miles Love Never Has 2 Say Goodbye No Changes Fat Jazz First Time I Saw U Don't Play With Love Everything Could Be So Fine I Believe I Love U Della Blackheart U're Such A Tease

You can add :

- Soft & Wet (Acoustic)

- Let's Go Crazy (Demo)

- However Much U Want (Piano)

- Purple Rain (Piano Demo)

- Turn Me Loose (Instrumental)

- Ain't No Way

- The Ladder (Soundcheck)

- The Question Of U (1985 Version).

+ All the previous singles already released.

Also, Evilsidog has not been played at the past Celebrations' listening sessions.

[Edited 5/28/26 11:23am]

celebration 2023

(Song P was playing...no lyrics just music was called "The Rain in You" and it was an 18 minute instrumental.

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Next song was a version of 7 in E flat. It resembles 2 Whom it May Concern. Very funky! People were on their feet dancing! It was recorded August 8, 1992.

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Next was "Everything Could Be So Fine" recorded July 7, 1987. Intended for Graffiti Bridge, it was an uptempo song and had Cat and Sheila singing background. It also named checked Melody Cool.

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Next "The Rock that Keeps Rolling". This moderate tempo take was recorded 8/7/92 but originated during the Lovesexy era.

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Next MY BOYFRIEND ERA RECORDED IN 2002! A beautiful ballad entitled "All the Kings Men" as per the label on the box. Smooth R&B track about getting back together with a lover. "All the kings horses and all the kings men, they can put us back together again"....

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Next "I Believe I Love You" tracked 7/27/87 "British feel" as per Charles Spicer and inspired by Ana Fantastic as per Casey Rain. Short little bop also intended for Graffiti Bridge.

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Don't Play With Love" tracked 6/28/85. It was found in a box labeled "Prince and Dad" and featured John L Nelson on keys with P singing falsetto with a drum loop.

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Next WHEW, tracked 4/4/2006 probably with Bland, Sonny T, and P an instrumental to fit on Lotusflow3r. "Della Black Heart". Rocky. Bland went CRAZY on the drums. Prince went CRAZY on guitar solos. Imagine it as the sibling of "I Am" from Deliverance, but with more solos.

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Next "You're Such a Tease" also tracked 2006. R&B jazzy feel. "Let me see your fingernails looks like u want to scratch me and leave a mark. I like it"

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Next the full version of the song from the celebration promo. It's called "All Are Shared Together Now" tracked September 2006.

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Final song was an acoustic version of Soft and Wet (demo from back in the day)

ps/thanx 2 Bart for the report back then !

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Reply #62 posted 05/30/26 4:23pm

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Come to think of it, I guess Prince nailed my position on all this with this line:
Why you giving people what they want when you oughta give them what they need?
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Reply #63 posted 05/30/26 5:57pm

ShellyMcG

databank said:

Come to think of it, I guess Prince nailed my position on all this with this line:
Why you giving people what they want when you oughta give them what they need?


Yeah, Prince said all kinds of crap lol
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Reply #64 posted 05/30/26 7:48pm

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databank said:

Come to think of it, I guess Prince nailed my position on all this with this line:
Why you giving people what they want when you oughta give them what they need?


Yeah, Prince said all kinds of crap lol

He did, but in that case I think he was spot on. Also see Esthero's We R In Need Of A Musical Revolution, which he liked.
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Reply #65 posted 05/30/26 8:25pm

ShellyMcG

databank said:

ShellyMcG said:



Yeah, Prince said all kinds of crap lol

He did, but in that case I think he was spot on. Also see Esthero's We R In Need Of A Musical Revolution, which he liked.


I don't think that quote translates well to this particular situation though. "Why you giving people what they want when you ought to give them what they need" makes zero sense in the context of fans wanting to hear unreleased material. None of us "need" to hear this stuff. But we do all "want" it.

Also, as the Prince Estate is a business, not giving people what they want would be extremely stupid. Because if they're making stuff available that we don't want then we're simply not going to buy it.
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Reply #66 posted 05/31/26 1:38am

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peedub said:

Meh. Apparently the day has arrived when I'm more excited about the release of a new Kurt Vile album than I am about the announcement of a possible announcement of the potential release of previously unheard Prince tracks.

I was down on him for a long time because, as much as I live and die at the altar of slack and vocals looser than a whore and brash guitar, I was just really turned off by his delivery and cadence.

Listened to the newest today though and really enjoyed it, I think I just had to be in the right mood. Sounds like it will be good live too, will see him when he swings by here in July.

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Reply #67 posted 05/31/26 1:39am

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Also this Prince release is gonna suck dick, I hope I am wrong and it's awesome

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Reply #68 posted 05/31/26 4:27am

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bozojones said:



lustmealways said:


Getting word from my souce that due to vinyl pressing issues due to COVID-19, this has been delayed to a tentative date of Spring 2027.




Correction: 2028, because they've already pushed the Parade set to 2027 and there's no way they release two things in the same year



When was a Parade set announcement made regarding pushing anything back?
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Reply #69 posted 05/31/26 6:58am

ShellyMcG

lustmealways said:

Also this Prince release is gonna suck dick, I hope I am wrong and it's awesome



If it could actually do what you suggest it would be the biggest selling album of all time lol
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Reply #70 posted 05/31/26 8:11am

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muleFunk said:

bozojones said:


Correction: 2028, because they've already pushed the Parade set to 2027 and there's no way they release two things in the same year

When was a Parade set announcement made regarding pushing anything back?

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Vibe magazine article said the Parade set was planned for "next year".

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Reply #71 posted 05/31/26 1:20pm

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bizzie said:



muleFunk said:


bozojones said:



Correction: 2028, because they've already pushed the Parade set to 2027 and there's no way they release two things in the same year



When was a Parade set announcement made regarding pushing anything back?

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Vibe magazine article said the Parade set was planned for "next year".




Recently ???

I was wondering because they want it on vinyl and those record processing plants are few in number and takes months if a popular artist is selling at that time.
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Reply #72 posted 05/31/26 3:19pm

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lustmealways said:



peedub said:


Meh. Apparently the day has arrived when I'm more excited about the release of a new Kurt Vile album than I am about the announcement of a possible announcement of the potential release of previously unheard Prince tracks.

I was down on him for a long time because, as much as I live and die at the altar of slack and vocals looser than a whore and brash guitar, I was just really turned off by his delivery and cadence.

Listened to the newest today though and really enjoyed it, I think I just had to be in the right mood. Sounds like it will be good live too, will see him when he swings by here in July.



I think it's got to do with the level of weed saturation in one's brain matter. Every listen just becomes a slow, swerving, close-eyed, sunny day bike ride on the widest, safest road in the universe. Totally unpretentious and mildly amusing. Like he's making up each song for you in real time just to maintain a vibe.
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Reply #73 posted 05/31/26 5:30pm

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I prefer the Chocolate Invasion & Slaughter House on CD.

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Reply #74 posted 05/31/26 5:46pm

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Gooddoctor23 said:

I prefer the Chocolate Invasion & Slaughter House on CD.

i actually like that idea.

first things first:
release what hasn't been formally introduced.


like, 'Xenophobia' or 'C-NOTE'.
then actual configured albums that, yes, contain previously released songs, but not heard in the same mix/context, i.e.: 'Dream Factory' or 'Camille' or the 1989 'Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic'.

Unrealeased music out of context is extremely jarring...

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Reply #75 posted 05/31/26 6:34pm

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Gooddoctor23 said:

I prefer the Chocolate Invasion & Slaughter House on CD.


Agreed. I would like to see a set released in a similar fashion to Ultimate Rave or Up All Night With Prince: A CD each for The Chocolate Invasion, The Slaughterhouse, Xpectation & C-NOTE, plus a bonus 5th CD containing the alternate versions of tracks from NPGMC downloads and/or any NPGMC tracks that weren't included on these albums, followed by individual LP vinyl releases of the 4 albums.

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Reply #76 posted 05/31/26 8:33pm

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Gooddoctor23 said:

I prefer the Chocolate Invasion & Slaughter House on CD.



So you'd rather get music you already have than music you've probably never even heard?
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Reply #77 posted 05/31/26 9:07pm

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truth: assuming this actually is vault tracks and not a greatest hits, there's a little bit of a thrill up my leg that the tracklist is totally unknown and we could be getting stuff from any era, as retarded as i think that release method/strat is

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Reply #78 posted 05/31/26 9:27pm

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ShellyMcG said:

databank said:
He did, but in that case I think he was spot on. Also see Esthero's We R In Need Of A Musical Revolution, which he liked.
I don't think that quote translates well to this particular situation though. "Why you giving people what they want when you ought to give them what they need" makes zero sense in the context of fans wanting to hear unreleased material. None of us "need" to hear this stuff. But we do all "want" it.
IDK if people need music or arts at all, but that's what Jukebox In A Heartbeat was about. Given that our debate is not about whether to release unreleased material, but about how to release it, I believe people need to get archival content the way it was left, not stuff tinkered to be more appealing. You are free to disagree of course, but that's how I feel about it.
Also, as the Prince Estate is a business, not giving people what they want would be extremely stupid. Because if they're making stuff available that we don't want then we're simply not going to buy it.
I think this very premise, "the Prince Estate is a business", is in great parts what I have a problem with. I think the right thing for it would be to be non-profit. (And TBH, I'm very happy Prince did not always give people what they wanted. It was stupid from a commercial standpoint, and WB kept telling him that, but that also contributed in great parts to making his career so fascinating.) But you are right: whether I like it or not, the Estate exists to make its owners money and it's what it is. The question therefore remains whether what we want is polished "ears friendly" material or authentic material. This is where I think the fans' community should take a stand (as opposed to casual listeners who can't even tell, or doesn't care whether a song is genuine or reworked or even AI). Of course, if Prince fans could ever have agreed on anything, we'd know it by now, so IDK. I'm just trying to push and reason in the direction I believe is right.

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Reply #79 posted 06/01/26 6:25am

Vannormal

ShellyMcG said:

lustmealways said:

Also this Prince release is gonna suck dick, I hope I am wrong and it's awesome

If it could actually do what you suggest it would be the biggest selling album of all time lol

biggrin lol razz cool

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Reply #80 posted 06/01/26 6:34am

Gooddoctor23

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Gooddoctor23 said:

I prefer the Chocolate Invasion & Slaughter House on CD.

So you'd rather get music you already have than music you've probably never even heard?

No, but I want those in cd quality.

I absolutely hate MP3s and those versions on those projects were probably

the shortest versions of those songs.

I dont trust 2 get anything from the Estate at this point that I actually want.

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Reply #81 posted 06/01/26 7:49am

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If the release contains tracks from over his recording career that dont naturally fit into or werent considered as part of an album release then I am all for what is about to be announced.

looking forward to seeing the announced tracklisting and hope that it includes a vinyl release

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Reply #82 posted 06/01/26 7:49am

ShellyMcG

databank said:



ShellyMcG said:


databank said:
He did, but in that case I think he was spot on. Also see Esthero's We R In Need Of A Musical Revolution, which he liked.


I don't think that quote translates well to this particular situation though. "Why you giving people what they want when you ought to give them what they need" makes zero sense in the context of fans wanting to hear unreleased material. None of us "need" to hear this stuff. But we do all "want" it.

IDK if people need music or arts at all, but that's what Jukebox In A Heartbeat was about. Given that our debate is not about whether to release unreleased material, but about how to release it, I believe people need to get archival content the way it was left, not stuff tinkered to be more appealing. You are free to disagree of course, but that's how I feel about it.

Also, as the Prince Estate is a business, not giving people what they want would be extremely stupid. Because if they're making stuff available that we don't want then we're simply not going to buy it.

I think this very premise, "the Prince Estate is a business", is in great parts what I have a problem with. I think the right thing for it would be to be non-profit. (And TBH, I'm very happy Prince did not always give people what they wanted. It was stupid from a commercial standpoint, and WB kept telling him that, but that also contributed in great parts to making his career so fascinating.) But you are right: whether I like it or not, the Estate exists to make its owners money and it's what it is. The question therefore remains whether what we want is polished "ears friendly" material or authentic material. This is where I think the fans' community should take a stand (as opposed to casual listeners who can't even tell, or doesn't care whether a song is genuine or reworked or even AI). Of course, if Prince fans could ever have agreed on anything, we'd know it by now, so IDK. I'm just trying to push and reason in the direction I believe is right.



Wouldn't it be nice if everything was non-profit? A nice thought but not one based in reality.

As for how they're polishing songs to be more ears friendly, as we've already discussed, most people don't have a problem with that if it continues to be done the way they've done it up to now. With This Tear, for example, sounds much cleaner than the leaked version but it's still the exact same song. Just better sound quality. So if they do that for all future releases from the vault then I wouldn't have any issues with it. Now, if they fuck around with the songs the way the MJ estate did with his posthumous albums then I'd be pissed off. But the Prince Estate has not given any indication that they're doing that so far so I'm not worried.
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Reply #83 posted 06/01/26 7:53am

ShellyMcG

Gooddoctor23 said:



ShellyMcG said:


Gooddoctor23 said:

I prefer the Chocolate Invasion & Slaughter House on CD.



So you'd rather get music you already have than music you've probably never even heard?

No, but I want those in cd quality.


I absolutely hate MP3s and those versions on those projects were probably


the shortest versions of those songs.



I dont trust 2 get anything from the Estate at this point that I actually want.



I wouldn't be surprised if those albums were eventually reissued but I don't think they'd be seen as a priority at all. They seem like the kind of things that the Estate might put out in order to fill a gap in the schedule rather than being considered a big release.
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Reply #84 posted 06/01/26 8:18am

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ps/thanx 2 Bart for the report back then !

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Source of that report were tweets by Darling Nisi (as I stated in my post back then).

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Reply #85 posted 06/01/26 8:22am

bizzie

ShellyMcG said:


They seem like the kind of things that the Estate might put out in order to fill a gap in the schedule

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They haven't released anything significant since October 2023. How big of a gap does there need to be?

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Reply #86 posted 06/01/26 9:47am

ShellyMcG

bizzie said:



ShellyMcG said:



They seem like the kind of things that the Estate might put out in order to fill a gap in the schedule

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They haven't released anything significant since October 2023. How big of a gap does there need to be?



I was talking about from now on. The current version of the Estate haven't released anything significant so far at all so hopefully this new album (if it's real) will be the beginning of a regular-ish release schedule of new, or at least unheard, music. And a project like a Chocolate Invasion/Slaughter House box set would be ideal for filling in the gaps in that schedule.

Admittedly, they have given me absolutely no reason at all to be optimistic but believe it or not I prefer to think positively
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Reply #87 posted 06/01/26 10:16am

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Gooddoctor23 said:

ShellyMcG said:

Gooddoctor23 said: So you'd rather get music you already have than music you've probably never even heard?

No, but I want those in cd quality.

I absolutely hate MP3s and those versions on those projects were probably

the shortest versions of those songs.

I dont trust 2 get anything from the Estate at this point that I actually want.

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All the songs had been re-released in FLAC version.

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Reply #88 posted 06/01/26 1:54pm

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New Music Announcement this week according to the Paisley Park account on X.
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Reply #89 posted 06/01/26 2:49pm

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New Music Announcement this week according to the Paisley Park account on X.


Interesting indeed. Looks like this rumoured new album could be real. Unless they pull the old switcheroo and put out a bunch of unofficial dance remixes or something just for spite lol
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