Gooddoctor23 said:

ShellyMcG said:

Gooddoctor23 said: So you'd rather get music you already have than music you've probably never even heard?

No, but I want those in cd quality.

I absolutely hate MP3s and those versions on those projects were probably

the shortest versions of those songs.

I dont trust 2 get anything from the Estate at this point that I actually want.

Were they not released in FLAC on TIDAL?

ElGorillos said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

ElGorillos said:

Who needs Neversin, when we have L. Londell McMillan?

<irony alert>


Angela Davis: Let's play some more music. The song 1999, Londel. I looked this up. Prince recorded this at his home in Chanhassen, but in 1982. So what do you know about the story of like, why in 1982 was he thinking about 1999? And just the longevity, still the popularity of the song. That's like the forever, like New Year's Eve, any big party, any celebration, when people are all hyped up, like you hear the song 1999.

L. Londell McMillan: Well, you know, Prince was always ahead of the curve. He was always way ahead of us. But if you take 92 and 99, that's seven years. That's the difference. Prince's favorite number was number seven. So he was always projecting. There was always something spiritual, mathematical, cultural, always something designed to bring us together, as the gentleman said. And I want to salute your listeners because they really bring a lot of – love and context <Angela Davis interrupts with: and callers> to this conversation.

Angela Davis: They always do!

L. Londell McMillan: And your callers. Yeah.

Angela Davis: All right. Well, let's take a moment. Let's listen to a little bit of 1999 by Prince.

Utter tripe understanding by him of Prince writing 1999 in 1982. I’d imagine Duane Tudahl must have found it difficult working with them and having to put them right - and probably explains why he isn’t any more.

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1982+7=1999 yup

This explain a lot of things.

ElGorillos said:

Angela Davis: Baltimore, Maryland is listening this morning. Max is with us. Hey, Max, what did you want to share with us?

Max on the phone: Hey, I'm a big fan of Prince music. My.. song is by far Sexuality. It was sort of this combination of.. <the line is breaking up>

Angela Davis: Oh, Max, I can't hear you. What is it? What is it again? The song or the album? What is it? Can you?

Max on the phone: I'm sorry. Can you hear me now?

Angela Davis: I can hear you now. So what's your favorite album or song? I couldn't hear you before.

Max on the phone: My favorite song by far is "Sexuality" off of "Controversy",but my favorite album is "Parade" "Under The Cherry Moon", and I'm just curious if Londell, can share, if that is indeed the next deluxe set, and if it will include unreleased Claire Fisher arrangements.

L. Londell McMillan: Ah, you've got a real music fam on on the line, yes.

Angela Davis: And "Under The Cherry Moon", isn't there a screening of that movie (L. Londell McMillan: Yes) during the celebration?

L. Londell McMillan: Yes.

Angela Davis: When and where is that?

L. Londell McMillan: That screening will be on Thursday at the Royalston during our Thursday programming.

Angela Davis: Okay.

L. Londell McMillan: And to the gentleman's question, that is... It is in production and development, and we've got both Bobby Z and Lisa Coleman, among others, who are working with us to curate that Parade project. As you know, they've been working very closely. They worked very closely on that project. It's not the next box set, but we're going to be sending and making and producing and releasing a number of box sets as well as other albums including one later this summer, of music and they all won't be box sets, but you're gonna get a nice <Angela Davis interrupts with a question>

Angela Davis: And help me i'm not.. <L. Londell McMillan interrupts and finishes his sentence>

L. Londell McMillan: release of music.

Angela Davis: Tell me what box set means.

L. Londell McMillan: What he's referring to as a box set was.. which is a box, of cds, both both formally released, remastered, remixed, as well as new songs, <um> And he's asking, is it going to have Claire Fisher, <um um> tracks on it, <um> with the violins, and add it to the music, and so, these are the things that we add to the songs, and the compositions to make them better.

Angela Davis: How do you describe the status of Prince music that has not been released?

L. Londell McMillan: Right. That's a big question. They're in the vault. And some of them are,<um> songs that are either fully complete, partially complete, haven't been really developed enough. And so we're getting an inventory of all of these songs. Because it's very important that we put out music in a way that Prince would have appreciated, rather than just open them up. I'm often <clears his throat>, often the target of many of the fans' desire to want all of the music, and all of it now. And while I don't make all of the decisions for everything in The Prince Vault, I'm certainly agreeable that they should have more music as we can, but we've released over 190 unreleased tracks. And many of these tracks are in the box sets. So people are asking for, so much more unreleased music, but many of them, haven't even bought the box sets to actually access and listen to the unreleased music that has already been released. So, the part of me now starting to speak, is to communicate and educate people, hey, you want unreleased music? There's already over 192 unreleased tracks that's out there. But they want more, and we'll continue to kind of give them more, because many of these folks that are the major fans, they've said things to me such as "We want to hear everything before we die". But we also have an obligation to make sure that it's produced sonically in the right way. So generations of now, are able to hear the music, and hear the production, not as it was done 40 years ago, 30 years ago, but hear the production sonically for the moment so they don't just initially turn off. Because we have to keep younger generations engaged.

Angela Davis:: Right. I understand.

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It is not perfect, but I did my best to clean up the Evernote AI-transcript.

This corresponds to 41:05 in the video:

https://www.mprnews.org/e...his-impact

Thanks for the link and transcription!!

themanfromneptune said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

ElGorillos said: Utter tripe understanding by him of Prince writing 1999 in 1982. I’d imagine Duane Tudahl must have found it difficult working with them and having to put them right - and probably explains why he isn’t any more.

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1982+7=1999 yup

This explain a lot of things.

If that's his level in maths, this may explain why he believes the releases don't sell

(Disclaimer: I absolutely suck at maths, but 1982 + 7 remains within my capacities.)

That said, silly questions call for silly replies.

"— Why ON EARTH would anyone think about 1999 in 1982?

— Well, dear, the year 2000 was kind of a frequent topic in the last few decades of the 20th century.

— I don't see the connection between 1999 and 2000, though.

— Of course you don't.

— What's a box-set?

— A collection of CDs.

— What's a CD?

— Kind of like a collection of Flac files, but it's on a little plastic disc."

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[Edited 6/2/26 15:04pm]

NouveauDance said:

MIRvmn1 said:

NouveauDance said:

So disrespectful of this clagnut to blab about fans not buying the boxsets. Casual listeners may not have bought them, but they are NEVER going to buy such prestige releases by ANY artist, that's not the point of such collections. It's about legacy; preserving and expanding the historic, cultural and artistic context of these performers and their most important works. It's their job to bring new fans in through more accessible gateways. Stranger Things did more in that respect than anything this incarnation of the estate has done and by all accounts that was due to the show's producers not the estate who at the time were busy shoveling limited resources into Titanic turkey moneypit musicals.

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He speaks about fans as if we're petulant, greedy children who want ice-cream before we've eaten our vegetables. Remember we're paying customers, we're free to express our opinions about these product and the companies that produce them.

Yes, Londell’s unprofessional and childish behavior is not the way to build a good relationship with the fans.

Or the (local) media:

Angela Davis: So tell me about like how,..we, that whole period of time, people refer to him as the artist, the artist formerly known as Prince. Like where did that come from?

L. Londell McMillan: Well, that was a media construction. You know, there are a number of people in the media that was always and remains to this day. There's a journalist in town here that I have this ongoing battle with that, has always been quite, provocative and snarky, and condescending to Prince <ahm> in various different ways. And so... They created that term, the artist formerly known as Prince.

ElGorillos said:

MIRvmn1 said:

NouveauDance said: Yes, Londell’s unprofessional and childish behavior is not the way to build a good relationship with the fans.

Or the (local) media:

Angela Davis: So tell me about like how,..we, that whole period of time, people refer to him as the artist, the artist formerly known as Prince. Like where did that come from?

L. Londell McMillan: Well, that was a media construction. You know, there are a number of people in the media that was always and remains to this day. There's a journalist in town here that I have this ongoing battle with that, has always been quite, provocative and snarky, and condescending to Prince <ahm> in various different ways. And so... They created that term, the artist formerly known as Prince.

jesus. Londell is a complete assclown and I hope Jon Bream takes every possible opportunity to point that out to people from now on

ElGorillos said:

MIRvmn1 said:

NouveauDance said: Yes, Londell’s unprofessional and childish behavior is not the way to build a good relationship with the fans.

Or the (local) media:

Angela Davis: So tell me about like how,..we, that whole period of time, people refer to him as the artist, the artist formerly known as Prince. Like where did that come from?

L. Londell McMillan: Well, that was a media construction. You know, there are a number of people in the media that was always and remains to this day. There's a journalist in town here that I have this ongoing battle with that, has always been quite, provocative and snarky, and condescending to Prince <ahm> in various different ways. And so... They created that term, the artist formerly known as Prince.

I haven't read Beam's book but he's the one who wrote that article calling out the Estate not too long ago, isn't he?

Admitedly i'm not too sure what he wrote when Prince was alive, let alone in the 90s (I may have read some stuff without remembering it was him), but bottom line (and honest) question to those who know: was he in fact condescending and snarky? If anyone, I'd have thought Cheryl "CJ" Johnson was the one making fun of the symbol, calling Prince "Symbolina" or some similar crap IIRC, so I'm a little surprised Beam is mentioned but she isn't.

leecaldon said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

No, but I want those in cd quality.

I absolutely hate MP3s and those versions on those projects were probably

the shortest versions of those songs.

I dont trust 2 get anything from the Estate at this point that I actually want.

Were they not released in FLAC on TIDAL?

Unless I'm mistaken, the "original" version of TCI remains exclusive to the NPGMC, thus wav. only (I put "original" in quotation marks because technically, the version that was released on Tidal and later was the first planned 2003 configuration before Prince reworked it slightly in late 2003 or early 2004, the only differences anyway being The Dance replacing My Medallion and a slightly different tracks order).

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BTW, a 21 year old mystery was finally solved last year when someone I'm not supposed to name (I guess) confirmed that the slight overdubs to some tracks (between their original 2001 NPGMC releases and their 2004 rerelease on TCI and TS) were made in 2003, when the albums were being compiled, instead of being previously unreleased alternate versions from the original sessions.

So, in terms of strict chronological recording order, TCI and TS comes right before Musicology (or, who knows, right after it depending when Prince finished each album exactly, but my understanfing is Musicology was most likely completed after the TCI box-set), not right before TRC as previously assumed. Princevault doesn't reflect this information, so I think not too many people know that yet.

(And before anyone asks, that person didn't reply when I also asked them if The Dance was itself from 2000/2001 or from 2003, so this remains to be determined.)

databank said:

leecaldon said:

Were they not released in FLAC on TIDAL?

Unless I'm mistaken, the "original" version of TCI remains exclusive to the NPGMC, thus wav. only (I put "original" in quotation marks because technically, the version that was released on Tidal and later was the first planned 2003 configuration before Prince reworked it slightly in late 2003 or early 2004, the only differences anyway being The Dance replacing My Medallion and a slightly different tracks order).

.

BTW, a 21 year old mystery was finally solved last year when someone I'm not supposed to name (I guess) confirmed that the slight overdubs to some tracks (between their original 2001 NPGMC releases and their 2004 rerelease on TCI and TS) were made in 2003, when the albums were being compiled, instead of being previously unreleased alternate versions from the original sessions.

So, in terms of strict chronological recording order, TCI and TS comes right before Musicology (or, who knows, right after it depending when Prince finished each album exactly, but my understanfing is Musicology was most likely completed after the TCI box-set), not right before TRC as previously assumed. Princevault doesn't reflect this information, so I think not too many people know that yet.

(And before anyone asks, that person didn't reply when I also asked them if The Dance was itself from 2000/2001 or from 2003, so this remains to be determined.)

Thanks

ElGorillos said:

L. Londell McMillan: "Right. That's a big question. They're in the vault. And some of them are,<um> songs that are either fully complete, partially complete, haven't been really developed enough. And so we're getting an inventory of all of these songs. Because it's very important that we put out music in a way that Prince would have appreciated, rather than just open them up. I'm often <clears his throat>, often the target of many of the fans' desire to want all of the music, and all of it now. And while I don't make all of the decisions for everything in The Prince Vault, I'm certainly agreeable that they should have more music as we can, but we've released over 190 unreleased tracks. And many of these tracks are in the box sets. So people are asking for, so much more unreleased music, but many of them, haven't even bought the box sets to actually access and listen to the unreleased music that has already been released. So, the part of me now starting to speak, is to communicate and educate people, hey, you want unreleased music? There's already over 192 unreleased tracks that's out there. But they want more, and we'll continue to kind of give them more, because many of these folks that are the major fans, they've said things to me such as "We want to hear everything before we die". But we also have an obligation to make sure that it's produced sonically in the right way. So generations of now, are able to hear the music, and hear the production, not as it was done 40 years ago, 30 years ago, but hear the production sonically for the moment so they don't just initially turn off. Because we have to keep younger generations engaged."

Fist of all, Databank, thank you.

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Throwing shit at the fans...

LONDELL, I address this to you, as it seems you frequent this page from what i understand of your comments :

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You state; "(...)but many of them, haven't even bought the box sets to actually access and listen to the unreleased music that has already been released."

Well, (probably) the price of the set was what blocked the sales. Certainly for W2A, D&P, SOTT, etc, and the old fashioned approach of these releases, with incomplete information.

The endlessly milking of the (incomplete release) Purple Rain era, etc.

The one thing that was regularly updated was the uninsprired, unwelcomed merchandise garbage like sheets and boots and candles...

Yes "(you're) often the target of fans", what do you expect? How come you think?

What do you actually know about Prince's work?

Name me 10 of the +190 unreleased songs that are available from the last ten years, and then name me ten unreleased song from the vault not availble yet. Or, can you name in the right order the first 10 albums with the years of release? I bet my golden ass on it, and believe me, i'm gay!

Every Prince fan can do this in their sleep.

By the way, 10 years since Prince's passing, so called +190 unreleased songs. That's a rate of 19 songs a year, from one of the most prolific artists who recorded almost daily fresh music.

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Worst of all you state: "(fans say)"We want to hear everything before we die". But we also have an obligation to make sure that it's produced sonically in the right way. So generations of now, are able to hear the music, and hear the production, not as it was done 40 years ago, 30 years ago, but hear the production sonically for the moment so they don't just initially turn off. Because we have to keep younger generations engaged."

Just...DON'T CHANGE SONGS, SOUND, PRODUCTION !

It's THANKS TO US, the older fans you can cash in.

Younger people don't buy music the way we do.

This PRINCE.ORG was once the most visited Prince fan site for news, etc. It's a perfect measurement to udnderstand why fans are leaving. Prince's music isn't the problem, but the lack of clear communication, openness, an ongoing upbuilding of serious mistakes made on post-releases, fucked up mixes of unreleased songs, info mistakes, incompleteness,etc.

The mistake of splitting up the Diamonds&Love project is one, the broadway disaster another, the Netflix contract you signed was beyond understanding; why give them all access for so long, with so much restrictions? You probably blindly believed it would build a mountain of cash. Bad business decisions, one after the other.

And if previous releases were managed better through advertisement, communication and interviews, regular podcasts, info on what sort of work is done on vault material, to keep us informed on regular a basis, lack of releases, it would've reached an even larger public, imo. And, it would've kept the media warm so the public was informed.

You could've used us the older fans to help you out to avoid the made mistakes, simply THROUGH COMMUNICATION. Most of us are even willing to do that for free, out of love for the art. Because we know our guy, we know every note.

The Bowie estate, Dylan, Springsteen, are perfect examples of how to do things much better.

Can't turn back the clock, save Prince's legacy and just leave.

Vannormal said:

Can't turn back the clock, save Prince's legacy and just leave.

I'd just keep your last sentence.

As for the rest, you're just wasting your time unfortunately.

you're right

ShellyMcG said:

MIRvmn1 said: