mattosgood said:

They inherited a lot of deals/contracts

The archiving process was "only about 45% has been digitised." as at June 2025 - we can only hope it has come along a lot more BUT even then, when I was raving about how good 'Friction' was and what a great Record Store day release it would make, to Charles F. Spicer he told me that while it might sound good on the PP soundsystem, the base recording analogue source would be a poor listening experience on modern playback devices. So, even when they find material they want to release - the older stuff is not in a fit state to release and needs cleaning up - this takes time.

Londell was the one who did those deals. And anyway, now the Netflix mess has been fixed they have no reason not to release whatever they want, whenever they want.

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They can also work with Warner and Sony to get the masters restored and mixed, but so far haven't done anything.

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At the very least, The Love Symbol SDE has been on hold for years, and could be released in some form or other, but they choose to do nothing with it.

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if they have nothing suitable to release, or even announce, at the 10 Year Celebration I think the fans there should tell them exactly what they think about that in the discussion panel.

happyshopper said:

if they have nothing suitable to release, or even announce, at the 10 Year Celebration I think the fans there should tell them exactly what they think about that in the discussion panel.

+1

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happyshopper said:

mattosgood said:

They inherited a lot of deals/contracts

The archiving process was "only about 45% has been digitised." as at June 2025 - we can only hope it has come along a lot more BUT even then, when I was raving about how good 'Friction' was and what a great Record Store day release it would make, to Charles F. Spicer he told me that while it might sound good on the PP soundsystem, the base recording analogue source would be a poor listening experience on modern playback devices. So, even when they find material they want to release - the older stuff is not in a fit state to release and needs cleaning up - this takes time.

Londell was the one who did those deals. And anyway, now the Netflix mess has been fixed they have no reason not to release whatever they want, whenever they want.

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They can also work with Warner and Sony to get the masters restored and mixed, but so far haven't done anything.

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At the very least, The Love Symbol SDE has been on hold for years, and could be released in some form or other, but they choose to do nothing with it.

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if they have nothing suitable to release, or even announce, at the 10 Year Celebration I think the fans there should tell them exactly what they think about that in the discussion panel.

Attendees at the Q&A told the panel excactly that last time round, so let's see how they respond a year on this June

happyshopper said:

mattosgood said:

They inherited a lot of deals/contracts

The archiving process was "only about 45% has been digitised." as at June 2025 - we can only hope it has come along a lot more BUT even then, when I was raving about how good 'Friction' was and what a great Record Store day release it would make, to Charles F. Spicer he told me that while it might sound good on the PP soundsystem, the base recording analogue source would be a poor listening experience on modern playback devices. So, even when they find material they want to release - the older stuff is not in a fit state to release and needs cleaning up - this takes time.

Londell was the one who did those deals. And anyway, now the Netflix mess has been fixed they have no reason not to release whatever they want, whenever they want.

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They can also work with Warner and Sony to get the masters restored and mixed, but so far haven't done anything.

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At the very least, The Love Symbol SDE has been on hold for years, and could be released in some form or other, but they choose to do nothing with it.

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if they have nothing suitable to release, or even announce, at the 10 Year Celebration I think the fans there should tell them exactly what they think about that in the discussion panel.

They should, but unfortunately, the fans who are dumb enough to pay over $1000 to attend these events are the same ones who happily accept whatever this estate gives to them.

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Your post made me think: wouldn't it be cool to have an Orger called "Dot Matrix", who would only post dots, and whose signature would be "I just like to post dots in threads"?

motherfunka said:

pdiddy2011 said:

They just aren't thinking enough about the "old heads" that actually have the money to "throw away".

If the Estate lined up 2 or 3 nights of concerts with The Revolution and special guests Sheila E, Jill Jones, Sheena Easton, Stokely for good measure, possibly even a headliner or two like Jill Scott or J Hud (who really seem to be super fans) and any number of cameos/sing-alongs with celebs/musicians who STILL tell Prince stories on air every chance they get (10 years later, no less). These guys could practically print money. IF properly marketed and advertised (re: a full 6 to 9 months, consistently before the event (or even the next celebration), they could make a killing. Not to mention add-ons like meet-and-greets and merch sales. (The potential increases by a factor of 5 if they can somehow make peace with The Time and Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.)

...such wishful thinking!!!!

They kind of already did those things when Graceland was running things. The Revolution, Sheila E, The Time, George Clinton, The Family, etc. At that time tix were around $500 for GA and $800 for VIP. Only problem was that Paisley Park is small, but they did do 2 shows each day. These days they can't sell even 1 show out (last year's show with The Family, Jesse Johnson, and the Time).

It seems like a good time to do it again. The Revolution and Sheila E are absolute non-negotiables. They are probably the 2 most associated and beloved of Prince's associates. Along with Time, those three acts alone will move the needle significantly - if marketed properly. Other acts would sweeten the offer, but you've got to have those if they are still performing.

It should be obvious that the celebration needs to be better than just OK to get people to travel to Minneapolis. No shade, but Minneapolis is not known as a destination city (it very well could be, but its the perception that counts). As such, the celebration needs to be stellar -- and that would help it to become an event people might want to go to annually. If the celebration was in NYC or LA it could be much easier to be just OK because people have 1,000 other events they can go to (in the same night, no less) if it turns out to be a waste.

If you're talking $500 or $800 for a full weekend, that's not too bad in this climate, but hearing 5-minute snippets of songs and hints at releases won't cut it. And the size of Paisley Park would be a silly reason to put a damper on anything. There are companies that rent festival tents with capacity upwards of 20,000 people.

bozojones said:

happyshopper said:

Londell was the one who did those deals. And anyway, now the Netflix mess has been fixed they have no reason not to release whatever they want, whenever they want.

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They can also work with Warner and Sony to get the masters restored and mixed, but so far haven't done anything.

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At the very least, The Love Symbol SDE has been on hold for years, and could be released in some form or other, but they choose to do nothing with it.

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if they have nothing suitable to release, or even announce, at the 10 Year Celebration I think the fans there should tell them exactly what they think about that in the discussion panel.

They should, but unfortunately, the fans who are dumb enough to pay over $1000 to attend these events are the same ones who happily accept whatever this estate gives to them.

beyond a big and insulting reach there, you missed off a 4 letter acronym on your post

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

I think Kares just put in there what the Estate claimed they want from the fans and the 'real' fans want, and the Estate claimed it was only a small group of old fans that want vault releases. I think petition Kares made just proves the opposite and that the majority of (old) fans want vault music and don't really care about the legacy and all that entails according to the Estate.
Maybe someone could create another petition with the opposite of what Kares said and focus solely on releases and just see how many people sign that. I'm willing to bet it will be alot more than the 120 people that signed Kares's petition.

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For all the illiterate and downright malicious idiots who chose to spread BS about my petition without actually reading it:

– you saw 'God' mentioned ONCE in the Introduction, and that was enough for you (even though you claim to be a fan of an artist who spent his entire career talking about God) – you didn't even bother to read on, you don't even listen to me whenever I say that NOWHERE in my text I mentioned God or religion again, not once, but you've decided it's all religious text. Okay...

– you fail to notice the TITLE (and whole point!) of the petition that clearly states that my aim was/is to ask the Estate to allow input by forming a trust by inviting fanS (notice the plural!) who could act as an advisory board. For the mentally challenged: this means that even you could/could've been chosen to be part of that board and you could veto any of my suggestions and put forward your ideas. Furthermore: whatever suggestion is being made by this board, it could still be rejected/modified by the Estate as they see fit – so there is absolutely no sane reason for anyone not to sign the petition on the basis of disagreement over my ideas. The point is: to ask the Estate to allow fan input. Whatever input by those who are accepted by the Estate. I detailed my suggestions in the paper, but I never said those are the only possible good decisions the Estate could make. In other words: you wouldn't lose anything by signing, but you could gain having a say in the future.

– I don't care if someone isn't interested in reading it, but if you don't, yet you start talking about it, you're only making a fool out of yourself publicly. Congrats.

– If you do read it though, you'd see that my suggestions are: starting a music education program in P's name / utilising Paisley Park for educational purposes too and helping it become a lively place filled with children instead of a VIP club for the wealthy few / starting a conceptual, professionally curated and beautifully designed reissue program for the vault material / publishing the official and complete list of P's works, including his lyrics / etc.

I'm having a bit of trouble trying to find out what you guys mean on doing the "opposite" of the above. Please help me, what would be the "opposite" of starting a music education program? Shooting kids who play music? What's the "opposite" of a conceptual release program for the vault? Blowing it up and destroying it? Please advise.

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I mean that your petition (as good as it is) is what the Estate also seems to want and claim only a few of vocal old fans want only music or his work left in his vault.
I say if there was a opposite (maybe not the rigfht word) or a petition that asks ONLY for vault material I think more fans than teh 120 that signed your petition would sign it and prove what the Estate claimed wrong that it's only a few old fans that want vault material and mostly nobody in the fandom cares about the rest you mention (and the Estate wants) in your petition. I wasn't slamming it or anything, I just thought it would be interesting to see if teh Estate's claim is really true.
I signed your petition because I agree with your stance, but hoineslty I only care for his work and what's in his vault, I couldn't care less about spreading the gospel of Prince and all.
I understand fans like you and Neversin and whjoever else want to spread the word of Prince and what he was about and all and that;s great for new fans, but I just want to experience his vault material and I think new fans wouldn't mind that either. Teh Estate is looking for Ambassadors and you seem to be a prime example of what they are looking for so that;s good for you and them, for us, honestly I don't thinkk most of us care and didn't become a fan of Prince because he organised food drives or did charities or was religius or how he used Paisley Park and what it could be used for in the furture or whatever but that he created amazing work.

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JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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For all the illiterate and downright malicious idiots who chose to spread BS about my petition without actually reading it:

– you saw 'God' mentioned ONCE in the Introduction, and that was enough for you (even though you claim to be a fan of an artist who spent his entire career talking about God) – you didn't even bother to read on, you don't even listen to me whenever I say that NOWHERE in my text I mentioned God or religion again, not once, but you've decided it's all religious text. Okay...

– you fail to notice the TITLE (and whole point!) of the petition that clearly states that my aim was/is to ask the Estate to allow input by forming a trust by inviting fanS (notice the plural!) who could act as an advisory board. For the mentally challenged: this means that even you could/could've been chosen to be part of that board and you could veto any of my suggestions and put forward your ideas. Furthermore: whatever suggestion is being made by this board, it could still be rejected/modified by the Estate as they see fit – so there is absolutely no sane reason for anyone not to sign the petition on the basis of disagreement over my ideas. The point is: to ask the Estate to allow fan input. Whatever input by those who are accepted by the Estate. I detailed my suggestions in the paper, but I never said those are the only possible good decisions the Estate could make. In other words: you wouldn't lose anything by signing, but you could gain having a say in the future.

– I don't care if someone isn't interested in reading it, but if you don't, yet you start talking about it, you're only making a fool out of yourself publicly. Congrats.

– If you do read it though, you'd see that my suggestions are: starting a music education program in P's name / utilising Paisley Park for educational purposes too and helping it become a lively place filled with children instead of a VIP club for the wealthy few / starting a conceptual, professionally curated and beautifully designed reissue program for the vault material / publishing the official and complete list of P's works, including his lyrics / etc.

I'm having a bit of trouble trying to find out what you guys mean on doing the "opposite" of the above. Please help me, what would be the "opposite" of starting a music education program? Shooting kids who play music? What's the "opposite" of a conceptual release program for the vault? Blowing it up and destroying it? Please advise.

[Edited 3/5/26 16:45pm]

I mean that your petition (as good as it is) is what the Estate also seems to want and claim only a few of vocal old fans want only music or his work left in his vault.
I say if there was a opposite (maybe not the rigfht word) or a petition that asks ONLY for vault material I think more fans than teh 120 that signed your petition would sign it and prove what the Estate claimed wrong that it's only a few old fans that want vault material and mostly nobody in the fandom cares about the rest you mention (and the Estate wants) in your petition. I wasn't slamming it or anything, I just thought it would be interesting to see if teh Estate's claim is really true.
I signed your petition because I agree with your stance, but hoineslty I only care for his work and what's in his vault, I couldn't care less about spreading the gospel of Prince and all.
I understand fans like you and Neversin and whjoever else want to spread the word of Prince and what he was about and all and that;s great for new fans, but I just want to experience his vault material and I think new fans wouldn't mind that either. Teh Estate is looking for Ambassadors and you seem to be a prime example of what they are looking for so that;s good for you and them, for us, honestly I don't thinkk most of us care and didn't become a fan of Prince because he organised food drives or did charities or was religius or how he used Paisley Park and what it could be used for in the furture or whatever but that he created amazing work.

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Don't you see how all these things are connected? Don't you see that his faith, his charity work, his efforts for local communities (etc etc) were JUST AS integral part of him as music was?

And even if you couldn't care less about all these, there are many of us who do, and it also helps selling his music, it can all help spread the word about him and this also leads to getting more music released, so in the end, you'll benefit from it too.

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

I mean that your petition (as good as it is) is what the Estate also seems to want and claim only a few of vocal old fans want only music or his work left in his vault.
I say if there was a opposite (maybe not the rigfht word) or a petition that asks ONLY for vault material I think more fans than teh 120 that signed your petition would sign it and prove what the Estate claimed wrong that it's only a few old fans that want vault material and mostly nobody in the fandom cares about the rest you mention (and the Estate wants) in your petition. I wasn't slamming it or anything, I just thought it would be interesting to see if teh Estate's claim is really true.
I signed your petition because I agree with your stance, but hoineslty I only care for his work and what's in his vault, I couldn't care less about spreading the gospel of Prince and all.
I understand fans like you and Neversin and whjoever else want to spread the word of Prince and what he was about and all and that;s great for new fans, but I just want to experience his vault material and I think new fans wouldn't mind that either. Teh Estate is looking for Ambassadors and you seem to be a prime example of what they are looking for so that;s good for you and them, for us, honestly I don't thinkk most of us care and didn't become a fan of Prince because he organised food drives or did charities or was religius or how he used Paisley Park and what it could be used for in the furture or whatever but that he created amazing work.

[Edited 3/6/26 9:24am]

Don't you see how all these things are connected? Don't you see that his faith, his charity work, his efforts for local communities (etc etc) were JUST AS integral part of him as music was?

And even if you couldn't care less about all these, there are many of us who do, and it also helps selling his music, it can all help spread the word about him and this also leads to getting more music released, so in the end, you'll benefit from it too.

I understand taht, but again I only became a fan because of his music, his personal views or thing he did beside that or what inspired him to create somethig is not something I care for or are that really interesteed in. Good for those who are but not all fans have walked the same path to find him.

mattosgood said:

bizzie said:

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They did that once with craptastic MP3s.

twice. D&P single x1 in 2022 and 7 MP3 stick in 2023 - that I'm aware of

re: price - value is determined by those who choose to play it

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Yeah, I know about the D&P live single. "Unreleased" music only in a technical sense. Also, twice such cases oin how many years? They managed nothing last year, only a vague promise they didn't keep.

mattosgood said:

BUT even then, when I was raving about how good 'Friction' was and what a great Record Store day release it would make, to Charles F. Spicer he told me that while it might sound good on the PP soundsystem, the base recording analogue source would be a poor listening experience on modern playback devices.

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LMAO. Right. So why even bother? Why even just put it out to placate complaining fans? Oh no, just dangle a carrot and then immediately deny it. What a masterclass.

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So, even when they find material they want to release - the older stuff is not in a fit state to release and needs cleaning up - this takes time.

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They have had YEARS and I'm supposed to believe thay've found nothing in the vault and all they can do is to get some barely competent engineer to make Dolby Atmos remixes?

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

Don't you see how all these things are connected? Don't you see that his faith, his charity work, his efforts for local communities (etc etc) were JUST AS integral part of him as music was?

And even if you couldn't care less about all these, there are many of us who do, and it also helps selling his music, it can all help spread the word about him and this also leads to getting more music released, so in the end, you'll benefit from it too.

I understand taht, but again I only became a fan because of his music, his personal views or thing he did beside that or what inspired him to create somethig is not something I care for or are that really interesteed in. Good for those who are but not all fans have walked the same path to find him.

But you are benefitting from all these too, so why does it hurt you that others have different interests too? Why do you have to ridicule that I mentioned God too, when you know full well that it was a major interest to P and his work is full of his declarations about his faith? Did you shout at him at concerts to "just shut up and play the funk!" or anything like that? I really don't get why it is an issue for you that some of us care about the bigger picture as well, while it also includes the very same thing you're after too? If you ONLY want more music but don't want the Estate to talk about P in any other context, then you'll end up getting less music because there will be less interest for him in the market.

happyshopper said:

For that amout of money they should do so much!!

What happened to the Purple Rain musical? Why not have a performance of that?

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That whole thing can fuck off and rot in some dustbin somewhere. Sure, it is a waste of $25+ million, but that thing was predestined to fail.

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Funny how they found money to finance that piece of shit, but we cannot get vault releases.

pdiddy2011 said:

It should be obvious that the celebration needs to be better than just OK to get people to travel to Minneapolis. No shade, but Minneapolis is not known as a destination city (it very well could be, but its the perception that counts). As such, the celebration needs to be stellar -- and that would help it to become an event people might want to go to annually. If the celebration was in NYC or LA it could be much easier to be just OK because people have 1,000 other events they can go to (in the same night, no less) if it turns out to be a waste.

If you're talking $500 or $800 for a full weekend, that's not too bad in this climate, but hearing 5-minute snippets of songs and hints at releases won't cut it. And the size of Paisley Park would be a silly reason to put a damper on anything. There are companies that rent festival tents with capacity upwards of 20,000 people.

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The Celebration is dumb as fuck. Most of it is pathetic and mediocre, and the few interesting events are limited to expensive VIP tickets. The Celebration should be worldwide, instead it is limited to a couple of hundred people (at best) and their reports afterwards are often conflicting.

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I'm also baffled how days of events usually only result in a handful of revelations. They've had panels on albums with people that worked on those albums and apparently next to nothing of interest was said at those panel because I never saw any reports with revelations. There a frikking fan podcasts and fan organised online events that result in far more revelations.

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Also, that ticket price is just the start. You also need to get there (and back home), you need to stay in a hotel, you need to eat, you need transport to the Park and elsewhere. And then we're not even touching on the current political climate in the USA where people literally get kidnapped and put in some horrible camp for weeks ( https://www.aol.com/artic...51716.html ).

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But I guess putting up livestreams is too difficult for people with decades of music industry experience.

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

I understand taht, but again I only became a fan because of his music, his personal views or thing he did beside that or what inspired him to create somethig is not something I care for or are that really interesteed in. Good for those who are but not all fans have walked the same path to find him.

But you are benefitting from all these too, so why does it hurt you that others have different interests too? Why do you have to ridicule that I mentioned God too, when you know full well that it was a major interest to P and his work is full of his declarations about his faith? Did you shout at him at concerts to "just shut up and play the funk!" or anything like that? I really don't get why it is an issue for you that some of us care about the bigger picture as well, while it also includes the very same thing you're after too? If you ONLY want more music but don't want the Estate to talk about P in any other context, then you'll end up getting less music because there will be less interest for him in the market.

I think you have me confused wit h someone else, becuase i didn t ridicule anything about you metioning god, simply becaue I'm a spiritaul person myself who has no need for a god like some others do and that is fine, I never siad anything about that.
I think there is a genuine case of miscommunicatiojn or misunderstanding here. What I mean is that alot of people didn't become a fan of Prince because of all the things he did and just love his work (music, shows and ebverything like that.) and want more of that. I read your petition and also saw the mention of things that;s why I signed it. What I mean is that if a petition was started with ONLY the focus on his music (vault material) that lured most fans to him in th e first place then I think more fans would sign it and prove the Estate wrong that it;'s only a samll group of old fans that want that.
I understand you and your views and how this could further the legacy I''m just saying I'm not interested in everything you wrote in there but only the music, like most fans I think.
You are jumping to conclusion by assuming things I didn't mention, I don't care if the Estate talks about Prince in other context simply because I can choose to ignore it and only focus on what interests me. I understand having a bigger picture about Prince and his views can generate more fans and maybe more interest, but the opposite is equally true and that it could also put off a lot of people who don't agree with his views and generate less interest in teh market (this actually happend in his career when fans left him when he became restricted by his views.)
Again, I signed your petition because I understand this but you seem to be hell bent on your way or noi other way, as everythi9ng in life there is more nuanse and again I just think most ogf his fans love him for his music and choose to ignore his views and things they don't agree with, such is life.
I would even say that alot of his fans moved on when he vented his views more that alot of fans didn't agree with.

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JorisE73 said:

JorisE73 said:

What I mean is that if a petition was started with ONLY the focus on his music (vault material) that lured most fans to him in th e first place then I think more fans would sign it and prove the Estate wrong that it;'s only a samll group of old fans that want that.

I'd sign that.

bizzie said:

mattosgood said:

BUT even then, when I was raving about how good 'Friction' was and what a great Record Store day release it would make, to Charles F. Spicer he told me that while it might sound good on the PP soundsystem, the base recording analogue source would be a poor listening experience on modern playback devices.

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LMAO. Right. So why even bother? Why even just put it out to placate complaining fans? Oh no, just dangle a carrot and then immediately deny it. What a masterclass.

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So, even when they find material they want to release - the older stuff is not in a fit state to release and needs cleaning up - this takes time.

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They have had YEARS and I'm supposed to believe thay've found nothing in the vault and all they can do is to get some barely competent engineer to make Dolby Atmos remixes?

no idea, I'll try and ask him again when I go to Celebration this year

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bizzie said:

mattosgood said:

BUT even then, when I was raving about how good 'Friction' was and what a great Record Store day release it would make, to Charles F. Spicer he told me that while it might sound good on the PP soundsystem, the base recording analogue source would be a poor listening experience on modern playback devices.

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LMAO. Right. So why even bother? Why even just put it out to placate complaining fans? Oh no, just dangle a carrot and then immediately deny it. What a masterclass.

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So, even when they find material they want to release - the older stuff is not in a fit state to release and needs cleaning up - this takes time.

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They have had YEARS and I'm supposed to believe thay've found nothing in the vault and all they can do is to get some barely competent engineer to make Dolby Atmos remixes?

All these supposedly sound/quality issues just sound like lame excuses to me.

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They've used a bunch so far (Netflix/test pressings/Comerica/contracts/Bad weather )

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That's amazing that there are still fans who want to go there once a year and eat whatever slop they decide to serve

JorisE73 said:

What I mean is that if a petition was started with ONLY the focus on his music (vault material) that lured most fans to him in th e first place then I think more fans would sign it and prove the Estate wrong that it;'s only a samll group of old fans that want that.
I understand you and your views and how this could further the legacy I''m just saying I'm not interested in everything you wrote in there but only the music, like most fans I think.

I understand having a bigger picture about Prince and his views can generate more fans and maybe more interest, but the opposite is equally true and that it could also put off a lot of people who don't agree with his views and generate less interest in teh market (this actually happend in his career when fans left him when he became restricted by his views.)
Again, I signed your petition because I understand this but you seem to be hell bent on your way or noi other way, as everythi9ng in life there is more nuanse and again I just think most ogf his fans love him for his music and choose to ignore his views and things they don't agree with, such is life.
I would even say that alot of his fans moved on when he vented his views more that alot of fans didn't agree with.

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If you think that it was ONLY the music that lured most fans to P (or to any other pop star, for that matter), you're delusional. Pop music is NEVER only about the music. It is also about the lyrics, for example (and their meanings, you know...), and about fashion and popular trends and marketing and a lot of other things beside the actual music.

I have to remind you AGAIN that what you're saying about "a lot of people who don't agree with his views left him" obviously refers to his religious views that were never even mentioned in my proposal, so how could NOT even mentioning them put off anyone? I hope you're not also trying to suggest that by starting an educational program with his name would put off any of his fans. So yes, taking care of his legacy definitely leads to more sales, not less.

And I'm "hellbent on my way"? Funny you're still unable to grasp the entire point of my petition, even though it's included in the title and right below it. Does it say "Sign this petition if you want Kares to dictate everything about P's legacy" or does it say "This petition is a call for action from the Prince Estate to listen to us longtime fans, collectors, Prince scholars, form a Prince Legacy Trust and allow input from us, consider our suggestions for managing the legacy and sharing it with the world?
I'm hellbent on the view that P's legacy is far more than just his music, but it should be clear from the text that if the Estate would follow my suggestion and involve some fanS it would still be easy for other fans to vote down my suggestions and put forward theirs, and the Estate of course could still disregard any suggestions put forward by this trust. How on earth does this mean "my way or the highway" to you?

Anyway, I'm tired of arguing. I've TRIED to actually do something instead of just complaining about the Estate. Y'all are also free to try doing something else if you want to.

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Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

What I mean is that if a petition was started with ONLY the focus on his music (vault material) that lured most fans to him in th e first place then I think more fans would sign it and prove the Estate wrong that it;'s only a samll group of old fans that want that.
I understand you and your views and how this could further the legacy I''m just saying I'm not interested in everything you wrote in there but only the music, like most fans I think.

I understand having a bigger picture about Prince and his views can generate more fans and maybe more interest, but the opposite is equally true and that it could also put off a lot of people who don't agree with his views and generate less interest in teh market (this actually happend in his career when fans left him when he became restricted by his views.)
Again, I signed your petition because I understand this but you seem to be hell bent on your way or noi other way, as everythi9ng in life there is more nuanse and again I just think most ogf his fans love him for his music and choose to ignore his views and things they don't agree with, such is life.
I would even say that alot of his fans moved on when he vented his views more that alot of fans didn't agree with.

[Edited 3/6/26 12:00pm]

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If you think that it was ONLY the music that lured most fans to P (or to any other pop star, for that matter), you're delusional. Pop music is NEVER only about the music. It is also about the lyrics, for example (and their meanings, you know...), and about fashion and popular trends and marketing and a lot of other things beside the actual music.

I have to remind you AGAIN that what you're saying about "a lot of people who don't agree with his views left him" obviously refers to his religious views that were never even mentioned in my proposal, so how could NOT even mentioning them put off anyone? I hope you're not also trying to suggest that by starting an educational program with his name would put off any of his fans. So yes, taking care of his legacy definitely leads to more sales, not less.

And I'm "hellbent on my way"? Funny you're still unable to grasp the entire point of my petition, even though it's included in the title and right below it. Does it say "Sign this petition if you want Kares to dictate everything about P's legacy" or does it say "This petition is a call for action from the Prince Estate to listen to us longtime fans, collectors, Prince scholars, form a Prince Legacy Trust and allow input from us, consider our suggestions for managing the legacy and sharing it with the world?
I'm hellbent on the view that P's legacy is far more than just his music, but it should be clear from the text that if the Estate would follow my suggestion and involve some fanS it would still be easy for other fans to vote down my suggestions and put forward theirs, and the Estate of course could still disregard any suggestions put forward by this trust. How on earth does this mean "my way or the highway" to you?

Anyway, I'm tired of arguing. I've TRIED to actually do something instead of just complaining about the Estate. Y'all are also free to try doing something else if you want to.

[Edited 3/6/26 13:27pm]

Semanntics as to what is included in teh word 'music' of which lyrics can easily be a part of. I never mentioned instrumentals only thats just you reaching again. I became a fan because of Controversy and the music or songs (just to make it clear for you) I heard made me a fan for live.
BUt again you're jumping to conclusion by assuming things I didn't say. And you don't have to remind me of anything simply because you obviously weren;t around in the early to mid 90s when his fans dropped off en masse to know I was OBVIOUSLY taking about that period which had nothing to do with religion. I don't know what your hangup is with religion but stop terying to pin that on me because I never mentioned any of that anywhere in my posts regarding your well thought out and commendable petition.
I understand your view on his legacy and like I said before I mostly agree, but my view is limited to his music (lyrics included).
Teh 'my way or the highway' was about your unnessecary passive agressive way of countering critisism when you pretend and claimed to be so open to it.
If you can't take critisism or different views then say so and don't pretend to be openminded and welcoming it only to passive agressively act like a spoiled child who didn't get his way because people have different views.
Being whiny about the fact the majority of fans don't care for your ideas and just want music releases without all the hoopla around Prince's pwersonal vieqws is kind of weird.
To me Prince's legacy is his music work the rest is not something I care for, you seem to think differentlty and that;s ok even tho you think it's not ok for others to think differently than you.
In the end Prince didn't get signed because of his views but because of the money he could make for WB with his MUSIC (lyrics included) whatever he wanted to do regarding Paisley Park and teaching whatever is nice and all but not something I and a lot of other fans I bet care for so not important enough to focus on.
Frank Zappa sells insane boxsets without all that you propse in your petition and people still know about him and his legacy.

I also think the only rewason you created the petition is because you wanted the attention of certain non-Estate individuals in the fandom ansd when challenged by regular fans, or not getting the attention you seek from sdaid individuals, you get all pissy and start calling other unnessesary names. Real adult guy you are.

[Edited 3/6/26 14:29pm]

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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If you think that it was ONLY the music that lured most fans to P (or to any other pop star, for that matter), you're delusional. Pop music is NEVER only about the music. It is also about the lyrics, for example (and their meanings, you know...), and about fashion and popular trends and marketing and a lot of other things beside the actual music.

I have to remind you AGAIN that what you're saying about "a lot of people who don't agree with his views left him" obviously refers to his religious views that were never even mentioned in my proposal, so how could NOT even mentioning them put off anyone? I hope you're not also trying to suggest that by starting an educational program with his name would put off any of his fans. So yes, taking care of his legacy definitely leads to more sales, not less.

And I'm "hellbent on my way"? Funny you're still unable to grasp the entire point of my petition, even though it's included in the title and right below it. Does it say "Sign this petition if you want Kares to dictate everything about P's legacy" or does it say "This petition is a call for action from the Prince Estate to listen to us longtime fans, collectors, Prince scholars, form a Prince Legacy Trust and allow input from us, consider our suggestions for managing the legacy and sharing it with the world?
I'm hellbent on the view that P's legacy is far more than just his music, but it should be clear from the text that if the Estate would follow my suggestion and involve some fanS it would still be easy for other fans to vote down my suggestions and put forward theirs, and the Estate of course could still disregard any suggestions put forward by this trust. How on earth does this mean "my way or the highway" to you?

Anyway, I'm tired of arguing. I've TRIED to actually do something instead of just complaining about the Estate. Y'all are also free to try doing something else if you want to.

[Edited 3/6/26 13:27pm]

Semanntics as to what is included in teh word 'music' of which lyrics can easily be a part of. I never mentioned instrumentals only thats just you reaching again. I became a fan because of Controversy and the music or songs (just to make it clear for you) I heard made me a fan for live.
BUt again you're jumping to conclusion by assuming things I didn't say. And you don't have to remind me of anything simply because you obviously weren;t around in the early to mid 90s when his fans dropped off en masse to know I was OBVIOUSLY taking about that period which had nothing to do with religion. I don't know what your hangup is with religion but stop terying to pin that on me because I never mentioned any of that anywhere in my posts regarding your well thought out and commendable petition.
I understand your view on his legacy and like I said before I mostly agree, but my view is limited to his music (lyrics included).
Teh 'my way or the highway' was about your unnessecary passive agressive way of countering critisism when you pretend and claimed to be so open to it.
If you can't take critisism or different views then say so and don't pretend to be openminded and welcoming it only to passive agressively act like a spoiled child who didn't get his way because people have different views.
Being whiny about the fact the majority of fans don't care for your ideas and just want music releases without all the hoopla around Prince's pwersonal vieqws is kind of weird.
To me Prince's legacy is his music work the rest is not something I care for, you seem to think differentlty and that;s ok even tho you think it's not ok for others to think differently than you.
In the end Prince didn't get signed because of his views but because of the money he could make for WB with his MUSIC (lyrics included) whatever he wanted to do regarding Paisley Park and teaching whatever is nice and all but not something I and a lot of other fans I bet care for so not important enough to focus on.
Frank Zappa sells insane boxsets without all that you propse in your petition and people still know about him and his legacy.

I also think the only rewason you created the petition is because you wanted the attention of certain non-Estate individuals in the fandom ansd when challenged by regular fans, or not getting the attention you seek from sdaid individuals, you get all pissy and start calling other unnessesary names. Real adult guy you are.

[Edited 3/6/26 14:29pm]

Guys, is this worth fighting? Seriously? Youc an disagree, but do you have to get so upset at each other?

One reason why this fandom has hardly ever achieved anything constructive is because everyone hates each other's guts.

Even Princevault! They're the best thing that ever happened to us and everyone that isn't them hates them, and they themselves don't seem to trust anyone outside of their little group. Same with pretty much everything and everyone.

There used to be a lot of weirdos on the Org, I'll give y'all that, but I had been under the impression, lately, that the only few people remaining were more or less sane and that things had become more civil and constructive. Yet every once in a while things get personal. Same happened on those "other" communities (you know which I'm talking of) which were originally specifically created to gather like-minded individuals instead of the weird melting pot the Org used to be, yet every once in a while a fight breaks out and people leave or get kicked out.

IDK. It's sad.

databank said:

JorisE73 said:

Semanntics as to what is included in teh word 'music' of which lyrics can easily be a part of. I never mentioned instrumentals only thats just you reaching again. I became a fan because of Controversy and the music or songs (just to make it clear for you) I heard made me a fan for live.
BUt again you're jumping to conclusion by assuming things I didn't say. And you don't have to remind me of anything simply because you obviously weren;t around in the early to mid 90s when his fans dropped off en masse to know I was OBVIOUSLY taking about that period which had nothing to do with religion. I don't know what your hangup is with religion but stop terying to pin that on me because I never mentioned any of that anywhere in my posts regarding your well thought out and commendable petition.
I understand your view on his legacy and like I said before I mostly agree, but my view is limited to his music (lyrics included).
Teh 'my way or the highway' was about your unnessecary passive agressive way of countering critisism when you pretend and claimed to be so open to it.
If you can't take critisism or different views then say so and don't pretend to be openminded and welcoming it only to passive agressively act like a spoiled child who didn't get his way because people have different views.
Being whiny about the fact the majority of fans don't care for your ideas and just want music releases without all the hoopla around Prince's pwersonal vieqws is kind of weird.
To me Prince's legacy is his music work the rest is not something I care for, you seem to think differentlty and that;s ok even tho you think it's not ok for others to think differently than you.
In the end Prince didn't get signed because of his views but because of the money he could make for WB with his MUSIC (lyrics included) whatever he wanted to do regarding Paisley Park and teaching whatever is nice and all but not something I and a lot of other fans I bet care for so not important enough to focus on.
Frank Zappa sells insane boxsets without all that you propse in your petition and people still know about him and his legacy.

I also think the only rewason you created the petition is because you wanted the attention of certain non-Estate individuals in the fandom ansd when challenged by regular fans, or not getting the attention you seek from sdaid individuals, you get all pissy and start calling other unnessesary names. Real adult guy you are.

[Edited 3/6/26 14:29pm]

Guys, is this worth fighting? Seriously? Youc an disagree, but do you have to get so upset at each other?

One reason why this fandom has hardly ever achieved anything constructive is because everyone hates each other's guts.

Even Princevault! They're the best thing that ever happened to us and everyone that isn't them hates them, and they themselves don't seem to trust anyone outside of their little group. Same with pretty much everything and everyone.

There used to be a lot of weirdos on the Org, I'll give y'all that, but I had been under the impression, lately, that the only few people remaining were more or less sane and that things had become more civil and constructive. Yet every once in a while things get personal. Same happened on those "other" communities (you know which I'm talking of) which were originally specifically created to gather like-minded individuals instead of the weird melting pot the Org used to be, yet every once in a while a fight breaks out and people leave or get kicked out.

IDK. It's sad.

not upset here, I don't get that bothered with words on a s creen from some stranger.
Kares seems a bit overdramatic and keeps talking and pinning something religious on me for some reason, that is all.

JorisE73 said:

databank said:

Guys, is this worth fighting? Seriously? Youc an disagree, but do you have to get so upset at each other?

One reason why this fandom has hardly ever achieved anything constructive is because everyone hates each other's guts.

Even Princevault! They're the best thing that ever happened to us and everyone that isn't them hates them, and they themselves don't seem to trust anyone outside of their little group. Same with pretty much everything and everyone.

There used to be a lot of weirdos on the Org, I'll give y'all that, but I had been under the impression, lately, that the only few people remaining were more or less sane and that things had become more civil and constructive. Yet every once in a while things get personal. Same happened on those "other" communities (you know which I'm talking of) which were originally specifically created to gather like-minded individuals instead of the weird melting pot the Org used to be, yet every once in a while a fight breaks out and people leave or get kicked out.

IDK. It's sad.

not upset here, I don't get that bothered with words on a s creen from some stranger.
Kares seems a bit overdramatic and keeps talking and pinning something religious on me for some reason, that is all.

Aw'igh. IDK, I guess if we all were face to face in some purple bar things would go more smoothly sometimes.

Let's all get together, take 120 mg of MDMA, and discuss that petition. Now that should be interesting.

But, yeah, this is sad. I guess we're all frustrated that nothing's really happening.

databank said:

JorisE73 said:

Semanntics as to what is included in teh word 'music' of which lyrics can easily be a part of. I never mentioned instrumentals only thats just you reaching again. I became a fan because of Controversy and the music or songs (just to make it clear for you) I heard made me a fan for live.
BUt again you're jumping to conclusion by assuming things I didn't say. And you don't have to remind me of anything simply because you obviously weren;t around in the early to mid 90s when his fans dropped off en masse to know I was OBVIOUSLY taking about that period which had nothing to do with religion. I don't know what your hangup is with religion but stop terying to pin that on me because I never mentioned any of that anywhere in my posts regarding your well thought out and commendable petition.
I understand your view on his legacy and like I said before I mostly agree, but my view is limited to his music (lyrics included).
Teh 'my way or the highway' was about your unnessecary passive agressive way of countering critisism when you pretend and claimed to be so open to it.
If you can't take critisism or different views then say so and don't pretend to be openminded and welcoming it only to passive agressively act like a spoiled child who didn't get his way because people have different views.
Being whiny about the fact the majority of fans don't care for your ideas and just want music releases without all the hoopla around Prince's pwersonal vieqws is kind of weird.
To me Prince's legacy is his music work the rest is not something I care for, you seem to think differentlty and that;s ok even tho you think it's not ok for others to think differently than you.
In the end Prince didn't get signed because of his views but because of the money he could make for WB with his MUSIC (lyrics included) whatever he wanted to do regarding Paisley Park and teaching whatever is nice and all but not something I and a lot of other fans I bet care for so not important enough to focus on.
Frank Zappa sells insane boxsets without all that you propse in your petition and people still know about him and his legacy.

I also think the only rewason you created the petition is because you wanted the attention of certain non-Estate individuals in the fandom ansd when challenged by regular fans, or not getting the attention you seek from sdaid individuals, you get all pissy and start calling other unnessesary names. Real adult guy you are.

[Edited 3/6/26 14:29pm]

Guys, is this worth fighting? Seriously? Youc an disagree, but do you have to get so upset at each other?

One reason why this fandom has hardly ever achieved anything constructive is because everyone hates each other's guts.

Even Princevault! They're the best thing that ever happened to us and everyone that isn't them hates them, and they themselves don't seem to trust anyone outside of their little group. Same with pretty much everything and everyone.

There used to be a lot of weirdos on the Org, I'll give y'all that, but I had been under the impression, lately, that the only few people remaining were more or less sane and that things had become more civil and constructive. Yet every once in a while things get personal. Same happened on those "other" communities (you know which I'm talking of) which were originally specifically created to gather like-minded individuals instead of the weird melting pot the Org used to be, yet every once in a while a fight breaks out and people leave or get kicked out.

IDK. It's sad.

THIS 100%

databank said:

JorisE73 said:

Semanntics as to what is included in teh word 'music' of which lyrics can easily be a part of. I never mentioned instrumentals only thats just you reaching again. I became a fan because of Controversy and the music or songs (just to make it clear for you) I heard made me a fan for live.
BUt again you're jumping to conclusion by assuming things I didn't say. And you don't have to remind me of anything simply because you obviously weren;t around in the early to mid 90s when his fans dropped off en masse to know I was OBVIOUSLY taking about that period which had nothing to do with religion. I don't know what your hangup is with religion but stop terying to pin that on me because I never mentioned any of that anywhere in my posts regarding your well thought out and commendable petition.
I understand your view on his legacy and like I said before I mostly agree, but my view is limited to his music (lyrics included).
Teh 'my way or the highway' was about your unnessecary passive agressive way of countering critisism when you pretend and claimed to be so open to it.
If you can't take critisism or different views then say so and don't pretend to be openminded and welcoming it only to passive agressively act like a spoiled child who didn't get his way because people have different views.
Being whiny about the fact the majority of fans don't care for your ideas and just want music releases without all the hoopla around Prince's pwersonal vieqws is kind of weird.
To me Prince's legacy is his music work the rest is not something I care for, you seem to think differentlty and that;s ok even tho you think it's not ok for others to think differently than you.
In the end Prince didn't get signed because of his views but because of the money he could make for WB with his MUSIC (lyrics included) whatever he wanted to do regarding Paisley Park and teaching whatever is nice and all but not something I and a lot of other fans I bet care for so not important enough to focus on.
Frank Zappa sells insane boxsets without all that you propse in your petition and people still know about him and his legacy.

I also think the only rewason you created the petition is because you wanted the attention of certain non-Estate individuals in the fandom ansd when challenged by regular fans, or not getting the attention you seek from sdaid individuals, you get all pissy and start calling other unnessesary names. Real adult guy you are.

[Edited 3/6/26 14:29pm]

Guys, is this worth fighting? Seriously? Youc an disagree, but do you have to get so upset at each other?

One reason why this fandom has hardly ever achieved anything constructive is because everyone hates each other's guts.

Even Princevault! They're the best thing that ever happened to us and everyone that isn't them hates them, and they themselves don't seem to trust anyone outside of their little group. Same with pretty much everything and everyone.

There used to be a lot of weirdos on the Org, I'll give y'all that, but I had been under the impression, lately, that the only few people remaining were more or less sane and that things had become more civil and constructive. Yet every once in a while things get personal. Same happened on those "other" communities (you know which I'm talking of) which were originally specifically created to gather like-minded individuals instead of the weird melting pot the Org used to be, yet every once in a while a fight breaks out and people leave or get kicked out.

IDK. It's sad.

THIS 100%