The main issue I see regarding the Celebrations these days is the same issue about how McMillan & Co generally runs the Estate: arrogance. [Edited 3/4/26 9:43am] Please sign my petition: https://c.org/B8L8SPz9Wf
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. When I see only 122 of us signed, I can see them saying "wow, all 122 of them?!" and laughing us away. You tried. It was a noble attempt, but I guess the community is too fragmented at this point. I can't imagine that out of Prince's "4 millions strong army" (to quote Letitgo), only 122 fans remain, but idk how many we are really. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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4 other things
1st - you mention price and I think that has a part to play - GA or VIP have gone up signifcantyl and that prices people out, all the more for those not stateside, where Prince had a sizeable fam base. That said, divide the price by the days of the event and things become more reasonable
2nd - the bands are getting older by the day, as we are, they may not be ready to perform or have a relationship with The Estate that is conducive to playing Celebration since the copyright enforcement of band name ownership.
3rd - selling tickets before the line up is confirmed, isn't great, as back to point 1, it is a big outlay on an unknown
4th - for a few years, there were really good limited edition vinyl / MP3 on a stick releases given out to attendees, the last few years it has been a limited edition T-shirt - which however good the T-shirt just does not stack up on any level and is a disappointment after previous Celebrations
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I don't sense it is arrogance. I base that on witnessing the Q&A session last year and talking to them afterwards 121 I would suggest it is perhaps more learning on the job, sorting out a mess of contracts they inherited and based on what they said in the Q&A last year: building bridges with associated artists (that Prince had burned) and due to various sell offs by those who inherited Prince's estate, there now being many parties with a say in what happens.
There is also an element of medium to long term planning, over the short term and the reality they can't please all the people, all the time. | |
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I didn't sign because of those two things : WAAAAAAYYYYYY too complex, plus the regligousness. Indeed this cut me off. Prince has always been about AND religion AND sex. That's been clear since Controversy. - KARES : "Prince’s life mission was to spread the word of God, to spread love, to help others and touch as many hearts as possible – and this is the message his estate should always sustain too. This was the primary purpose behind all his music. This is his true legacy. The music was only the vehicle." - The music wan't only the vehicle : "Prince's life mission was to spread his music including all messages of love." ...would've been better imho. I just smelled too much Larry G. (Larry never liked to mingle Jehova with pussy, dick, swearing, fucking and bathing all at once, or in one song.) Anyway. Next. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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. The above quote is from the Introduction, and this is the ONLY time religion is mentioned – and if you think this is inappropriate in a paper about Prince, whose entire body of work is deeply and openly religious, then you haven't listened to any of his records. Mind blowing. Please sign my petition: https://c.org/B8L8SPz9Wf
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It really wasn't like that at all - they got suggestions, push back and reminders that the fam base is not getting any younger - there was no praise. As to change, they have done everything they said they would in terms of release - give or take the odd quibble over the interpretation of Expanded vs. SDE in regard to ATWIAD - plus Stranger Things and the covermounts for the HitnRun singles. The hope this year in what is billed as 'The Vault Conversation Part II Panel' is that what was a discussion and sounding out of ideas last year, has evolved to more solid plans... but proof will be in the pudding. | |
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. Oh come on man, this isn't some expensive multi-day multi-stage festival where there are tons of things to do. Pretending that the $1000+ fee is justified because you can attend a frikking gospel brunch or a bloc party or a screening of UTCM is just nonsense. .
. They did that once with craptastic MP3s. | |
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. They are supposed to have decades of experience in the industry. .
. The entire contents of the vault are a contractual mess? So much they are unable to for instance release a single outtake each month? . Where is the re-release of Come 2 My House they promised years ago? Who is blocking that? Chaka has announced is years ago, so she isn't. Is it Larry Graham? Or any of the other musicians on that record? Did Prince leave such a legal mess that a record he once boasted about "was made in absolute freedom" (or similar words) is now unable to be re-issued? .
. It has been ten years. Sure, some of the estate is in legal shambles. But all of it? What have they released since the last Celebration? What have they released since loudly proclaiming a year ago that the vault is free? .
. So their choice is to please no one? | |
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. LMAO. Copium ad nauseam. Covermounted 7"s? Stranger Things? Those should be FOOTNOTES instead of the only things they accomplished. | |
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And even that single reissue was reportedly flawed on the mastering of some B-Sides. | |
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i'm not saying I like by any means, clearly, it could be way better for sure 100% - as per my last 7 words above. I was just flagging the picture you were painting just wasn't the case about the Q&A and the attendees. From where they told us they were in June 2025, it will be very interesting to hear the progress made in June 2026 | |
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twice. D&P single x1 in 2022 and 7 MP3 stick in 2023 - that I'm aware of re: price - value is determined by those who choose to play it
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Experience in the industry - helps but is not be all and end all - I have experience in the lottery industry, can I do everything in the lottery industry or run a lottery, no.
They inherited a lot of deals/contracts
The archiving process was "only about 45% has been digitised." as at June 2025 - we can only hope it has come along a lot more BUT even then, when I was raving about how good 'Friction' was and what a great Record Store day release it would make, to Charles F. Spicer he told me that while it might sound good on the PP soundsystem, the base recording analogue source would be a poor listening experience on modern playback devices. So, even when they find material they want to release - the older stuff is not in a fit state to release and needs cleaning up - this takes time.
Please do not think for a second, I think the state of affairs is great, I'm just trying to keep it real. We need them, as much as they need us. | |
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For that amout of money they should do so much!! What happened to the Purple Rain musical? Why not have a performance of that? You'd want a Parade era live performance by The Revolution as a minimum, and screenings of restored and unseen concerts every day. Vault track listening parties on all day, maybe a diffenrent era each day. . The trouble is, they've done all these things before, and there's little more to do. I think this should be the last "Celebartion" and they should just do events throughout the year, timed with new releases (which they also need to get on with). And around the world, not just at PP. | |
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Wow, you sure can hold a grudge! | |
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With due respect - It's just like... you're trying too hard to defend these folks. It's like you're expecting something out of them or something... | |
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. – you fail to notice the TITLE (and whole point!) of the petition that clearly states that my aim was/is to ask the Estate to allow input by forming a trust by inviting fanS (notice the plural!) who could act as an advisory board. For the mentally challenged: this means that even you could/could've been chosen to be part of that board and you could veto any of my suggestions and put forward your ideas. Furthermore: whatever suggestion is being made by this board, it could still be rejected/modified by the Estate as they see fit – so there is absolutely no sane reason for anyone not to sign the petition on the basis of disagreement over my ideas. The point is: to ask the Estate to allow fan input. Whatever input by those who are accepted by the Estate. I detailed my suggestions in the paper, but I never said those are the only possible good decisions the Estate could make. In other words: you wouldn't lose anything by signing, but you could gain having a say in the future.
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