olb99 said:

Let's all get together, take 120 mg of MDMA, and discuss that petition. Now that should be interesting.

anything music related, I have bought. I went to 2018 Celebration....but I am now only buying music

I can't understand why anyone still believes Londell and Charles need "more time" to sort out their business affairs. It only took a few years before the previous team was consistently putting out high quality releases, and they're the ones who had to take over directly after Prince's passing.

All that Londell and Charles had to do is step in and carry on with the blueprint left by the previous estate. Instead, they scrapped everything and fired the archivists who helped put the past SDEs together. It has been over 3 years and they still don't have a plan, and they never will. Anyone who believes otherwise is either naive or straight up delusional.

fredmagnus said:

Time has nothing to do with it. . It's a business plan and the Vault is simply not part of it. . As for the rest, as I said, it's just a basket of lame excuses and lies.

EXACTLY !!

fredmagnus said:

fredmagnus said:

It's a business plan and the Vault is simply not part of it.

I hear you, but at the same time, there's that "Vault Conversation Part II Panel". Why have a conversation about the Vault if there's absolutely no plan? It might be a crappy plan, like having listening sessions at the Celebration every year and releasing one previously unreleased song on YouTube every 10 months or so, but it's still a plan, strictly speaking. I'm not expecting more than this, but this is still something, isn't it?

fredmagnus said:

Time has nothing to do with it. . It's a business plan and the Vault is simply not part of it. . As for the rest, as I said, it's just a basket of lame excuses and lies.

Watch tehm make up neww lies and excuses at that celebration panel this year.

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

I mean that your petition (as good as it is) is what the Estate also seems to want and claim only a few of vocal old fans want only music or his work left in his vault.
I say if there was a opposite (maybe not the rigfht word) or a petition that asks ONLY for vault material I think more fans than teh 120 that signed your petition would sign it and prove what the Estate claimed wrong that it's only a few old fans that want vault material and mostly nobody in the fandom cares about the rest you mention (and the Estate wants) in your petition. I wasn't slamming it or anything, I just thought it would be interesting to see if teh Estate's claim is really true.
I signed your petition because I agree with your stance, but hoineslty I only care for his work and what's in his vault, I couldn't care less about spreading the gospel of Prince and all.
I understand fans like you and Neversin and whjoever else want to spread the word of Prince and what he was about and all and that;s great for new fans, but I just want to experience his vault material and I think new fans wouldn't mind that either. Teh Estate is looking for Ambassadors and you seem to be a prime example of what they are looking for so that;s good for you and them, for us, honestly I don't thinkk most of us care and didn't become a fan of Prince because he organised food drives or did charities or was religius or how he used Paisley Park and what it could be used for in the furture or whatever but that he created amazing work.

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Don't you see how all these things are connected? Don't you see that his faith, his charity work, his efforts for local communities (etc etc) were JUST AS integral part of him as music was?

And even if you couldn't care less about all these, there are many of us who do, and it also helps selling his music, it can all help spread the word about him and this also leads to getting more music released, so in the end, you'll benefit from it too.

Sure. But we ALL know that, and the estate knows that too (hopefully).

We ALL just want this :

studio recordings / live material.

...simple as can be.

On a regular basis & with good and acurate information.

That's all!

Put that in a petition,

get to the point, with as less words as possible,

and you'll probably get more attention and hopefully more signatures,

this in my humble opinion.

And obviously with respect for all the work you put into yours, let that be clear. I read half through it, too boring for me. Like I said, i didn't sign.

But let's also agree to dissagree. That's why we are also here, right?

Look how big a debate we already have here.

So you win. Good.

olb99 said:

fredmagnus said:

It's a business plan and the Vault is simply not part of it.

I hear you, but at the same time, there's that "Vault Conversation Part II Panel". Why have a conversation about the Vault if there's absolutely no plan? It might be a crappy plan, like having listening sessions at the Celebration every year and releasing one previously unreleased song on YouTube every 10 months or so, but it's still a plan, strictly speaking. I'm not expecting more than this, but this is still something, isn't it?

your logic, is missed by many it would seem

olb99 said:

fredmagnus said:

It's a business plan and the Vault is simply not part of it.

I hear you, but at the same time, there's that "Vault Conversation Part II Panel". Why have a conversation about the Vault if there's absolutely no plan? It might be a crappy plan, like having listening sessions at the Celebration every year and releasing one previously unreleased song on YouTube every 10 months or so, but it's still a plan, strictly speaking. I'm not expecting more than this, but this is still something, isn't it?

They're not looking for an honest conversation with the fans. They're just looking to sell a few extra tickets to the suckers who think "maybe if I pay the thousand bucks and go to talk to them, I can say the right things that make them understand the error of their ways, and they'll give us the vault material we've been asking for!".

Celebration under Londell and Charles has never been about improving the worldwide fan experience. It has always been a means to line their own pockets.

bozojones said:

olb99 said:

I hear you, but at the same time, there's that "Vault Conversation Part II Panel". Why have a conversation about the Vault if there's absolutely no plan? It might be a crappy plan, like having listening sessions at the Celebration every year and releasing one previously unreleased song on YouTube every 10 months or so, but it's still a plan, strictly speaking. I'm not expecting more than this, but this is still something, isn't it?

They're not looking for an honest conversation with the fans. They're just looking to sell a few extra tickets to the suckers who think "maybe if I pay the thousand bucks and go to talk to them, I can say the right things that make them understand the error of their ways, and they'll give us the vault material we've been asking for!".

Celebration under Londell and Charles has never been about improving the worldwide fan experience. It has always been a means to line their own pockets.

sounds like a trump administration

"Prince Celebration 2026 will highlight the depth and evolution of Prince’s artistry through the eras of Parade, Emancipation, Chaos and Disorder, The Rainbow Children, and 3121"

So,

- Parade (40 years)

- Emancipation (30 years)

- Chaos and Disorder (30 years)

- The Rainbow Children (25 years)

- 3121 (20 years)

Is that the new approach now?

How boring and cheap.

While they can fill a whole weekend alone with Parade instead, what went befroe and after for example. The whole Revolution story.

Instead we get a mix of most the most uninteresting albums so far.

Next year that will be SOTT and Planet Earth and PR Deluxe alone then?

bozojones said:

olb99 said:

I hear you, but at the same time, there's that "Vault Conversation Part II Panel". Why have a conversation about the Vault if there's absolutely no plan? It might be a crappy plan, like having listening sessions at the Celebration every year and releasing one previously unreleased song on YouTube every 10 months or so, but it's still a plan, strOutictly speaking. I'm not expecting more than this, but this is still something, isn't it?

They're not looking for an honest conversation with the fans. They're just looking to sell a few extra tickets to the suckers who think "maybe if I pay the thousand bucks and go to talk to them, I can say the right things that make them understand the error of their ways, and they'll give us the vault material we've been asking for!".

Celebration under Londell and Charles has never been about improving the worldwide fan experience. It has always been a means to line their own pockets.

Vannormal said:

"Prince Celebration 2026 will highlight the depth and evolution of Prince’s artistry through the eras of Parade, Emancipation, Chaos and Disorder, The Rainbow Children, and 3121"

So,

- Parade (40 years)

- Emancipation (30 years)

- Chaos and Disorder (30 years)

- The Rainbow Children (25 years)

- 3121 (20 years)

Is that the new approach now?

How boring and cheap.

While they can fill a whole weekend alone with Parade instead, what went befroe and after for example. The whole Revolution story.

Instead we get a mix of most the most uninteresting albums so far.

Next year that will be SOTT and Planet Earth and PR Deluxe alone then?

mattosgood said:

Vannormal said:

"Prince Celebration 2026 will highlight the depth and evolution of Prince’s artistry through the eras of Parade, Emancipation, Chaos and Disorder, The Rainbow Children, and 3121"

So,

- Parade (40 years)

- Emancipation (30 years)

- Chaos and Disorder (30 years)

- The Rainbow Children (25 years)

- 3121 (20 years)

Is that the new approach now?

How boring and cheap.

While they can fill a whole weekend alone with Parade instead, what went befroe and after for example. The whole Revolution story.

Instead we get a mix of most the most uninteresting albums so far.

Next year that will be SOTT and Planet Earth and PR Deluxe alone then?

or it could be awesome! None of those LP projects are to be sniffed at IMHO. RE: filling the whole weekend alone with Parade - would be awesome in and of itself, that takes those that were involved to play ball and they might not want to or they might not be able to or they may be being offered not enough money or whatever.

I thought they weren't intersted in doing anniversaries.
Or was that only for anniversary releases?

mattosgood said:

Vannormal said:

"Prince Celebration 2026 will highlight the depth and evolution of Prince’s artistry through the eras of Parade, Emancipation, Chaos and Disorder, The Rainbow Children, and 3121"

So,

- Parade (40 years)

- Emancipation (30 years)

- Chaos and Disorder (30 years)

- The Rainbow Children (25 years)

- 3121 (20 years)

Is that the new approach now?

How boring and cheap.

While they can fill a whole weekend alone with Parade instead, what went befroe and after for example. The whole Revolution story.

Instead we get a mix of most the most uninteresting albums so far.

Next year that will be SOTT and Planet Earth and PR Deluxe alone then?

or it could be awesome! None of those LP projects are to be sniffed at IMHO. RE: filling the whole weekend alone with Parade - would be awesome in and of itself, that takes those that were involved to play ball and they might not want to or they might not be able to or they may be being offered not enough money or whatever.

Apart from those who are not paid enough or are unavailable... isn't there enough material in the vault, such as :

photos,

film,

video,

paraphernalia,

preparations,

documents,

preliminary recordings,

involved crew stories,

interesting interviewers,

articles,

peripheral information,

Like, Parade's sudden decision to record the famous four songs in one take recording as the opener?

alternative versions,

and so much more concerning the making of the film UTCM alone...

etc.

I think you could fill easily two days with a simple well prepared discussion/story telling panel,

a good deep exhibition, with listening sessions, and watching unknown footage alone?

Let alone an extra day with multiple screenings of different live shows, recorded rehearsals, etc.?

Even the quality of the images does not necessarily have to be excellent.

That is precisely the beauty and histoical value of it.

It was one of the most exciting periods in Prince's career.

Even though the commercial results weren't really great. But in terms of material, you could create a fantastic exhibition with this. Like they know how to build and organise exhibitions in museums in Europe. Not like Elvis estate, or previous exhibited Prince things like shoes or whatever superficial exhibitions. It's absoutely possible to create something that contains much more than just showing clichéd highlights and scored musical facts, supplemented with fairground games in a tent?

Come on.

-

And create a good book about it, available for all.

I'm nog even talking about available music or film...

Just a good worked out 'complete as possible, deep' document on ONE subject.

It's all there! Under theyr noses.

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Vannormal said:

mattosgood said:

or it could be awesome! None of those LP projects are to be sniffed at IMHO. RE: filling the whole weekend alone with Parade - would be awesome in and of itself, that takes those that were involved to play ball and they might not want to or they might not be able to or they may be being offered not enough money or whatever.

Apart from those who are not paid enough or are unavailable... isn't there enough material in the vault, such as :

photos,

film,

video,

paraphernalia,

preparations,

documents,

preliminary recordings,

involved crew stories,

interesting interviewers,

articles,

peripheral information,

Like, Parade's sudden decision to record the famous four songs in one take recording as the opener?

alternative versions,

and so much more concerning the making of the film UTCM alone...

etc.

I think you could fill easily two days with a simple well prepared discussion/story telling panel,

a good deep exhibition, with listening sessions, and watching unknown footage alone?

Let alone an extra day with multiple screenings of different live shows, recorded rehearsals, etc.?

Even the quality of the images does not necessarily have to be excellent.

That is precisely the beauty and histoical value of it.

It was one of the most exciting periods in Prince's career.

Even though the commercial results weren't really great. But in terms of material, you could create a fantastic exhibition with this. Like they know how to build and organise exhibitions in museums in Europe. Not like Elvis estate, or previous exhibited Prince things like shoes or whatever superficial exhibitions. It's absoutely possible to create something that contains much more than just showing clichéd highlights and scored musical facts, supplemented with fairground games in a tent?

Come on.

-

And create a good book about it, available for all.

I'm nog even talking about available music or film...

Just a good worked out 'complete as possible, deep' document on ONE subject.

It's all there! Under theyr noses.

[Edited 3/10/26 10:15am]