I like Kares's approach. I doubt that ad hominem attacks on Londell McMillan and Charles Spicer are going to change anything anytime soon.

Gooddoctor23 said:

Kares said:

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Call me naive if you want, but it's a cause far too important for me not to try to do what I can, even if it proves to be too little. I still want to be able to look in the mirror and say at least I tried something.
Who cares to join me?

I hear u, Kares but honestly, having known Prince for decades, no way would he co-sign the B.S. going on with this Estate. F*ck Londell and Spicer. They will never make a dime from me.

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Nobody said that P would approve the current state of affairs. Sadly, he's not here though, so IF we care about his legacy, we'll have to try to be constructive and do what we can. Noone is pressing you to buy P-themed socks or bedsheets – but if there would be vault releases, you wouldn't buy any of those either? Is your priority to fight Londell, or to help share P's legacy?

Kares said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

I hear u, Kares but honestly, having known Prince for decades, no way would he co-sign the B.S. going on with this Estate. F*ck Londell and Spicer. They will never make a dime from me.

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Nobody said that P would approve the current state of affairs. Sadly, he's not here though, so IF we care about his legacy, we'll have to try to be constructive and do what we can. Noone is pressing you to buy P-themed socks or bedsheets – but if there would be vault releases, you wouldn't buy any of those either? Is your priority to fight Londell, or to help share P's legacy?

At this point, I no longer care.

This Estate has destroyed my current connection 2 Prince.

When the music comes out, if it ever does, the Estate wont get a dime of my $.

Gooddoctor23 said:

Kares said:

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Nobody said that P would approve the current state of affairs. Sadly, he's not here though, so IF we care about his legacy, we'll have to try to be constructive and do what we can. Noone is pressing you to buy P-themed socks or bedsheets – but if there would be vault releases, you wouldn't buy any of those either? Is your priority to fight Londell, or to help share P's legacy?

At this point, I no longer care.

This Estate has destroyed my current connection 2 Prince.

When the music comes out, if it ever does, the Estate wont get a dime of my $.

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And you participate in a Prince forum to let us know that you have zero interest in Prince?

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With McMillions positioned as the public face of the Estate, everything feels dictated from the top down.

It’s pretty obvious they are not interested in any real, constructive dialogue with the core fanbase.

We’re written off as “the old crowd,” and all their energy and money seems aimed at chasing younger generations.

Except, of course, when Celebration rolls around.

Then suddenly the Vault gets dangled in front of us like a carrot, purely to justify those overpriced tickets.

It’s easy to pin everything on McMillions, but the truth is the entire Estate is a structural disaster. There are simply too many players at the table:

Warner Bros., Sony, Primary Wave, Prince Legacy LLC, plus McMillions and Spicer running operations.

With that many competing interests, it’s no surprise they can’t align on anything meaningful.

Kares said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

At this point, I no longer care.

This Estate has destroyed my current connection 2 Prince.

When the music comes out, if it ever does, the Estate wont get a dime of my $.

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And you participate in a Prince forum to let us know that you have zero interest in Prince?

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The Estate........what part of that is unclear?

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Trufunksoulja said:

Except, of course, when Celebration rolls around.

Then suddenly the Vault gets dangled in front of us like a carrot, purely to justify those overpriced tickets.

I think that the estate may be in for a bit of a rude shock regarding Celebration not of their own making. Many people I have talked to have cancelled travel plans to the United States because they don't want the hassle at the airport or worse.

There are other places to go on Earth which don't want to keep your biometric data for their own purposes for 75 years. Most other places.

Ok I must admit that we never can't get enough of new stuff but come on, since Prince's passing we had some great releases ("1999", "Sign O' The Times", "Diamonds And Pearls" SDE's, the Syracuse concert....). I would love 2 get a "Parade" SDE.

Ask MJ fans what they had since 2009 : "Thriller 40" (including songs already released...the missed opportunity was not releasing "The Lady In My Life" extended version). Am I missing something else ?

Ramzoo said:

Ok I must admit that we never can't get enough of new stuff but come on, since Prince's passing we had some great releases ("1999", "Sign O' The Times", "Diamonds And Pearls" SDE's, the Syracuse concert....). I would love 2 get a "Parade" SDE.

Ask MJ fans what they had since 2009 : "Thriller 40" (including songs already released...the missed opportunity was not releasing "The Lady In My Life" extended version). Am I missing something else ?

lol......u comparing an artist with almost no unreleased material to one with 8,000 plus songs?

Could we perhaps try to skip the comparisons to that other guy, pretty please? I'm so sick and tired of having to hear about him on every Prince-forum.

TrivialPursuit said:

JorisE73 said:

But capable enough to sneak his way into the Estate. If that is retarded then what are the fans who keep supporting them?

He's been around since 1996 or so. Old dude didn't just sneak in. Prince invited him.

If fans are supporting such clueless people, then they're clueless, too.

Not to be political, but some Prince fans are like registered voters who vote partylines no matter what.

Didn't Prince fire him though?

PennyPurple said:

TrivialPursuit said:

He's been around since 1996 or so. Old dude didn't just sneak in. Prince invited him.

If fans are supporting such clueless people, then they're clueless, too.

Not to be political, but some Prince fans are like registered voters who vote partylines no matter what.

Didn't Prince fire him though?

Well, that was always my impression. Prince used to drag his ass everywhere, then he was nowhere. And word was he wasn't around. So either he slithered his way back into it or the estate was dumb enough to put him on retainer again.

TrivialPursuit said:

PennyPurple said:

Didn't Prince fire him though?

Well, that was always my impression. Prince used to drag his ass everywhere, then he was nowhere. And word was he wasn't around. So either he slithered his way back into it or the estate was dumb enough to put him on retainer again.

I think it was Sharon who possibly brought him back to the fold

TrivialPursuit said:

PennyPurple said:

Didn't Prince fire him though?

Well, that was always my impression. Prince used to drag his ass everywhere, then he was nowhere. And word was he wasn't around. So either he slithered his way back into it or the estate was dumb enough to put him on retainer again.

According to one of his tweets, Prince didn't fire him. I've seen it before, but I can't locate it online.

rap said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Well, that was always my impression. Prince used to drag his ass everywhere, then he was nowhere. And word was he wasn't around. So either he slithered his way back into it or the estate was dumb enough to put him on retainer again.

According to one of his tweets, Prince didn't fire him. I've seen it before, but I can't locate it online.

Good.

He also said they would "hurry up the process of digitizing the Vault" when in fact the process has been completely stopped for a few years.

He also said "New music coming in 2025" when nothing happened.

I'm not sure we should take seriously anything he says.

All that to say, there way more chances than Prince fired him than him leaving of his own free will.

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fredmagnus said:

rap said:

According to one of his tweets, Prince didn't fire him. I've seen it before, but I can't locate it online.

Good.

He also said they would "hurry up the process of digitizing the Vault" when in fact the process has been completely stopped for a few years.

He also said "New music coming in 2025" when nothing happened.

I'm not sure we should take seriously anything he says.

All that to say, there way more chances than Prince fired him than him leaving of his own free will.

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The correct term he should've used is 'archiving', of course, as a significant portion of the vault is 'born-digital' assets, such as digital audio tapes, MO discs, hard drives, digital video tapes etc.

fredmagnus said:

rap said:

According to one of his tweets, Prince didn't fire him. I've seen it before, but I can't locate it online.

Good.

He also said they would "hurry up the process of digitizing the Vault" when in fact the process has been completely stopped for a few years.

He also said "New music coming in 2025" when nothing happened.

I'm not sure we should take seriously anything he says.

All that to say, there way more chances than Prince fired him than him leaving of his own free will.

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Exactly, the guy just posts nonsense whenever he's online. And he's a lawyer so mostly a lying, full of shit kind of guy.

MIRvmn1 said:

Londell is so full of shit the toilets jealous

Thanks, Jinkx.

There was some incident in N.Y. if I'm not mistaken that cause Prince to sever ties with this dude, I want 2 say in 2005 or 2006. That was so long ago that have forgotten the story.

I just remembered, but I swear Londell had an office (his only, or one of a few) here in Albany, right downtown on N. Pearl and Pine Street. I remember finding that back in the late 90s or early 2000s. I can't immediately find evidence of that.

Lonny was also head of Notorious BIG's estate and had his hands in the Michael Jackson estate. How much has come from them? He has his fingers in a lot of pies, few of which are serving much of anything.

fredmagnus said:

He also said they would "hurry up the process of digitizing the Vault" when in fact the process has been completely stopped for a few years.

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What's your source?

ElGorillos said:

fredmagnus said:

He also said they would "hurry up the process of digitizing the Vault" when in fact the process has been completely stopped for a few years.

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What's your source?

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Reliable sources.

""Marc Beckman, an advisor to Melania Trump and a key figure in the film's production, told Variety in a new interview that certain artists declined to have their songs featured.""

'Prince's music was also ultimately pulled, after his estate voiced concern over being associated with President Donald Trump.

"We were ready to go, and this lawyer that manages the estate was like, 'Prince would never want his song associated with Donald Trump,'" Beckman said. "And we're like, 'But it's not a Donald Trump film! He comes into the movie once in a while, but this is all about Melania. It's not political.' And that guy blocked it. It's so ridiculous."

USA TODAY has reached out to reps for Prince's estate...'

Credit where credit is due, that's about the only commendable thing Londell has done for Prince's legacy so far

bozojones said:

Credit where credit is due, that's about the only commendable thing Londell has done for Prince's legacy so far

I wonder which song it was

Trufunksoulja said:

Trufunksoulja said: