Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

Because it wasn't as overtly pushed on us like how people make it seem. He was religious, I was spiritual, the message was pretty much the same, I just don't believe or care dfor a 'god' figure.

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Well, I know for a fact that a lot of fans felt that he was pushing his religion onto them during several of his eras. I never felt so, but he was certainly just as open about his faith as any priest I've ever seen, and he was just as open about it in his lyrics.
Besides, several of his friends tell stories of how P was often far more enthusiastic about having private conversations about Jesus and/or the Bible than about music or anything else.

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Anyway, as I said above, my petition doesn't even mention God or religion past the Introduction.

I guess it's just someones opinion on how much he pushed it. I wasn't bothered by it and welcomed his spirituality. once he bacame more closed minded with his JW period is when I zoned out mostly, the music and perofrmances still banged tho.

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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Well, I know for a fact that a lot of fans felt that he was pushing his religion onto them during several of his eras. I never felt so, but he was certainly just as open about his faith as any priest I've ever seen, and he was just as open about it in his lyrics.
Besides, several of his friends tell stories of how P was often far more enthusiastic about having private conversations about Jesus and/or the Bible than about music or anything else.

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Anyway, as I said above, my petition doesn't even mention God or religion past the Introduction.

I guess it's just someones opinion on how much he pushed it. I wasn't bothered by it and welcomed his spirituality. once he bacame more closed minded with his JW period is when I zoned out mostly, the music and perofrmances still banged tho.

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Understood. BTW, I've never been a fan of churches or organised religion either, and for me 'faith in God' and 'spirituality' are synonyms, so I always appreciated that side of him too, even though I didn't agree with everything he ever said/wrote either. He was certainly a truth seeker, a deeply spiritual person with genuinely good intentions and a big heart – and I think his boldness in repeatedly declaring his faith publicly was amazing. And yes, of course he said/wrote some stupid shit too, but as far as I know he always remained one who kept raising questions too, regarding JW too.

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

I guess it's just someones opinion on how much he pushed it. I wasn't bothered by it and welcomed his spirituality. once he bacame more closed minded with his JW period is when I zoned out mostly, the music and perofrmances still banged tho.

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Understood. BTW, I've never been a fan of churches or organised religion either, and for me 'faith in God' and 'spirituality' are synonyms, so I always appreciated that side of him too, even though I didn't agree with everything he ever said/wrote either. He was certainly a truth seeker, a deeply spiritual person with genuinely good intentions and a big heart – and I think his boldness in repeatedly declaring his faith publicly was amazing. And yes, of course he said/wrote some stupid shit too, but as far as I know he always remained one who kept raising questions too, regarding JW too.

Someone once told a story about how the JW club and Larry sometimes needed to reel him in in panic because he was questioning or spouting things against some JW's doctrine in his passion and enthusiasm and that it was also the reason he eventually just dropped them years later.
Organized religious in my book is mostly the same as organized crime, I'll follow my own path to do whatever I think is right, and if it's not then learning from it is better than just to be told or ordered and not knowing why or that 'god works in mystrious ways'.

JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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Understood. BTW, I've never been a fan of churches or organised religion either, and for me 'faith in God' and 'spirituality' are synonyms, so I always appreciated that side of him too, even though I didn't agree with everything he ever said/wrote either. He was certainly a truth seeker, a deeply spiritual person with genuinely good intentions and a big heart – and I think his boldness in repeatedly declaring his faith publicly was amazing. And yes, of course he said/wrote some stupid shit too, but as far as I know he always remained one who kept raising questions too, regarding JW too.

Someone once told a story about how the JW club and Larry sometimes needed to reel him in in panic because he was questioning or spouting things against some JW's doctrine in his passion and enthusiasm and that it was also the reason he eventually just dropped them years later.
Organized religious in my book is mostly the same as organized crime, I'll follow my own path to do whatever I think is right, and if it's not then learning from it is better than just to be told or ordered and not knowing why or that 'god works in mystrious ways'.

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So what did you mean on "all that stuff is laughable" earlier?

Kares said:

JorisE73 said:

Someone once told a story about how the JW club and Larry sometimes needed to reel him in in panic because he was questioning or spouting things against some JW's doctrine in his passion and enthusiasm and that it was also the reason he eventually just dropped them years later.
Organized religious in my book is mostly the same as organized crime, I'll follow my own path to do whatever I think is right, and if it's not then learning from it is better than just to be told or ordered and not knowing why or that 'god works in mystrious ways'.

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So what did you mean on "all that stuff is laughable" earlier?

Organized religion and the idea of some 'god'.
To me the irony of people hiding behind organized religions and pretending to be so loving and openminded because someone told them so in some book but can't fathom the idea people not needing a book to be as loving is just sad but hilarious at the same time. People blindly following good and bad ideas in a book and are activbely opposing people who do better without the need of there book are kind of unloving and dangerous in my mind.

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JorisE73 said:

Kares said:

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So what did you mean on "all that stuff is laughable" earlier?

Organized religion and the idea of some 'god'.
To me the irony of people hiding behind organized religions and pretending to be so loving and openminded because someone told them so in some book but can't fathom the idea people not needing a book to be as loving is just sad but hilarious at the same time. People blindly following good and bad ideas in a book and are activbely opposing people who do better without the need of there book are kind of unloving and dangerous in my mind.

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Gotcha. And mostly agree. I'd just add that not everyone who belongs to a church is only pretending, and some people do need to be told "by some book" to be loving and openminded. There are hypocrites and pretenders amongst the atheists too, some of them only pretend to do good, and some of them only pretend not having faith

ShellyMcG said:

olb99 said:

I'm an atheist, but even I can sense his spiritual "enthusiasm" (for lack of a better word) in his most spiritual songs and albums. Maybe not being a native English speaker helped in this regard. Anyway, yes, God/religion/spirituality was a significant part of Prince's work, for better or worse. This needs to be acknowledged in some way.

Acknowledged, yes. But not to the degree that it becomes the main event.

In full agreement with you.

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Kares said:

ShellyMcG said:

I was with you until all the religious stuff. I do think that the fans should have some sort of say in how Prince's legacy is handled but not if it involves "spreading the word of God" or any of that nonsense. He was a popstar, not a priest.

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I'm okay with that. I mean I fully expected the religious aspect to be controversial and that it would put off some fans, I get it. Still, I appreciate your comment as it is actually the first one that shows interest. This is the kind of conversation I would like to have – hence labelling my proposal a work-in-progress. I'm happy to adjust/change things should we be able to form a real community and have meaningful discussions.

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My opinion is that while P obviously wasn't a priest, we cannot ignore his deeply religious/spiritual take on life as it is embedded into his work – and if we're talking about preserving his legacy, we cannot cherry-pick parts from his legacy, in my view, that would be disrespectful towards him.

Dearly beloved

Prince went from young wild choking sex, irresistible bitches and horny toads, to sex&god,

fucking the taste out of your mouth, rape-sex in a cab, incest,

mastubating with a magazine, and non-stop p.u.s.s.y.,

lost control over a bad drug trip, change his mind with loads of religious doubts and more sex,

went into fun projects like Exodus (with loads of 'motherfucker' words),

got into some strange wrong marriage, a sad horrible loss...and another strange marriage,

then came the self-cencorship w Larry and the knocking on doors shite,

attacked his own fans, took a while with trying to slowly letting it all go,

but, somehow seem to cool down a bit towards the end of his life.

Well, what a quite deeply religeous spiritual take on life, ain-it?

And all this on fentanyl, even unknowingly embedded into his work.

No disrespect at all to my hero, cause Prince was ONLY music, and nothing else but music.

And that alone is a goddamn lot better than his weird religions.

Sure we can't ignore that. I agree.

But it's a part of him i skip big time, cause it's so silly.

To me it somehow killed him; the ever search for inner peace. (imho)

Vannormal said:

Dearly beloved

Prince went from young wild choking sex, irresistible bitches and horny toads, to sex&god,

fucking the taste out of your mouth, rape-sex in a cab, incest,

mastubating with a magazine, and non-stop p.u.s.s.y.,

lost control over a bad drug trip, change his mind with loads of religious doubts and more sex,

went into fun projects like Exodus (with loads of 'motherfucker' words),

got into some strange wrong marriage, a sad horrible loss...and another strange marriage,

then came the self-cencorship w Larry and the knocking on doors shite,

attacked his own fans, took a while with trying to slowly letting it all go,

but, somehow seem to cool down a bit towards the end of his life.

Well, what a quite deeply religeous spiritual take on life, ain-it?

And all this on fentanyl, even unknowingly embedded into his work.

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Apparently that is your take on his life and work.