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Reply #180 posted 10/24/25 8:59am

bizzie

siim said:

The Diamonds and Pearls super deluxe was about 12 LPs / 8 CDs thick, and if you added the material from the Love album, the single versions, and those 29 leaked tracks (maybe even a live disc from the Act I tour?), the set would’ve been so big and heavy that no one could’ve carried it home. Assuming, of course, their home was even large enough to fit it.

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I have always said that combining these two albums in a single box set was ridiculous. Not in the least because it would mean they'd need to severely limit the live material: the Act I and Act II tour are very different and it would have been a crime to not include a recording from each.

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Plus yeah, their insistence on also having everything on vinyl.

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Reply #181 posted 10/24/25 9:02am

bizzie

Vannormal said:

Matthieu Bitton (@candyTman) wrote on X :

"Well whoever leaked this probably assumed the official release will never see the light of day. But at least it's not ALL the vault tracks."

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Yeah, how dare they, I mean it's not like the estate has released next to nothing in the past year, or that their next release doesn't contain a single second of unreleased music.

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Reply #182 posted 10/24/25 9:30am

NICKthebrick

bizzie said:



Vannormal said:


Matthieu Bitton (@candyTman) wrote on X :


"Well whoever leaked this probably assumed the official release will never see the light of day. But at least it's not ALL the vault tracks."



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Yeah, how dare they, I mean it's not like the estate has released next to nothing in the past year, or that their next release doesn't contain a single second of unreleased music.



He meant to say assured, not assumed.
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Reply #183 posted 10/24/25 9:45am

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Yes, Matthieu worked with the Estate on the "Diamonds and Love" project, but whatever he meant, I'm not sure it's very relevant in 2025. He hasn't worked with the Estate in years, so I'm pretty sure he's not the best person to know what the current Estate's plans are. Plus, even if he knew anything, he wouldn't be legally allowed to say anything of substance.

Saying that what leaked isn't "all the vault tracks" could mean many things. It could mean that he remembers a couple of tracks that are not part of the leak. Not very exciting, if you ask me. It could mean that at some point many other outtakes were considered for a potential "Love Symbol" SDE. That would be more exciting. He might be thinking of the live tracks (Rex Club). We don't know.

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Reply #184 posted 10/24/25 10:22am

scififilmnerd

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Yes, Matthieu worked with the Estate on the "Diamonds and Love" project, but whatever he meant, I'm not sure it's very relevant in 2025. He hasn't worked with the Estate in years, so I'm pretty sure he's not the best person to know what the current Estate's plans are. Plus, even if he knew anything, he wouldn't be legally allowed to say anything of substance.

Saying that what leaked isn't "all the vault tracks" could mean many things. It could mean that he remembers a couple of tracks that are not part of the leak. Not very exciting, if you ask me. It could mean that at some point many other outtakes were considered for a potential "Love Symbol" SDE. That would be more exciting. He might be thinking of the live tracks (Rex Club). We don't know.

I think he meant that not all Vault tracks from that period were included in the set. I think the leak included all the tracks included on the Diamonds And Love set. smile But I've never seen a track list either. confused

[Edited 10/24/25 10:23am]

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Reply #185 posted 10/24/25 12:00pm

bizzie

It's all so depressing: we're nearing the tenth anniversary of Prince's death, and yet the early years of his career (1975-1982) largely remain an undocumented black hole except for some bootlegs from 30 years ago and a handful of tracks on recent SDEs.

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We have plenty of books and articles about 1983-1989 but there are still plenty of songs from this era we haven't heard or only in mediocre quality, and basically half of the Purple Rain album is still a mystery (surely there must be early demo/studio recordings for all those songs that were first recorded on 3 August 1983).

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Hopefully next year's Parade SDE will fill in some gaps, but considering the current estate is seemingly incapable of releasing something in proper quality with proper documentation...

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And then there's the fertile 1993-1995 era: will we ever get our hands on all those previously unreleased studio recordings and live recordings? All they've done for the 30th anniversary of TGE is show parts of some concert videos to people who've paid stupid money to visit Paisley Park.

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Reply #186 posted 10/24/25 12:33pm

olb99

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scififilmnerd said:



olb99 said:


Yes, Matthieu worked with the Estate on the "Diamonds and Love" project, but whatever he meant, I'm not sure it's very relevant in 2025. He hasn't worked with the Estate in years, so I'm pretty sure he's not the best person to know what the current Estate's plans are. Plus, even if he knew anything, he wouldn't be legally allowed to say anything of substance.

Saying that what leaked isn't "all the vault tracks" could mean many things. It could mean that he remembers a couple of tracks that are not part of the leak. Not very exciting, if you ask me. It could mean that at some point many other outtakes were considered for a potential "Love Symbol" SDE. That would be more exciting. He might be thinking of the live tracks (Rex Club). We don't know.




I think he meant that not all Vault tracks from that period were included in the set. I think the leak included all the tracks included on the Diamonds And Love set. smile But I've never seen a track list either. confused

[Edited 10/24/25 10:23am]



Yeah, we know some of the leaked tracks are WIP or incomplete versions, so we know other versions of those songs exist. And then we have other songs from the same period that weren’t included, for some mysterious reason.

As I said his reply is interesting and irrelevant at the same time.
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Reply #187 posted 10/24/25 12:38pm

JoeyCococo

Does anyone else think here is something very slightly off with the sound on some of the tracks? The 1000 Hugs backgrounds do not sound as sharp as they should....some of it sounds just slightly lo fi.
Considering how good the D&P vault songs sounded, I find this slightly odd....was the leak digitally degraded ever so slightly?

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Reply #188 posted 10/24/25 12:41pm

JorisE73

FJODOR said:

databank said:

eek

Weird.

I just checked and there was nothing of the sort in my files' metadata (either set, as I got them twice from 2 different people).


which sort of confirms to me that this leak going round right now has been tagged
by someone just out of spite.

because it's likely the same exact files you have had for a long time now, that are
being circulated to us, just having some of their audio and meta deta corrupted.


Teh original MP3's had a name in it (mentioned hre already) that was from the guy who was given the wavs to rip to MP3 (by someone also mentioned here) and share amnong a few to see how fast they would end up publicly. A Mr. Z was given the set and he shared it with BeanoWild, so I guess it's Mr. Z or Beanowild again who fucked the original sharer over by dropping this.
This original MP3 set was again ripped and the names and other info was taken out and shared again among some.

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Reply #189 posted 10/24/25 12:44pm

olb99

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bizzie said:

It's all so depressing



Depressing, baffling, disappointing, lazy, incompetent, etc. Many qualifiers apply to this situation/Estate.

I’m not on Twitter/X. Have TTC reacted to the leak yet?
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Reply #190 posted 10/24/25 12:47pm

andrewm7new

I just feel the need to thank whoever was responsible for making these tracks available.I am truly grateful.Each one of these tracks adds to my appreciation of Prince and has brought light to my world.

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Reply #191 posted 10/24/25 1:14pm

Vannormal

databank said:

Vannormal said:



ShellyMcG said:


Vannormal said:

That's a little unfair to databank lol . He explained his own personal reasons and even though I don't necessarily agree, I wasn't trying to call him out or anything. He doesn't owe anyone anything.

By 'exposing' i mean, letting everyone know he had them earlier, concerning future leaks; people might go on him or beg for them. That's all i meant. Nothing negative or personal. Not my style. smile


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To Databank, I fully understand your explanation about not sharing received leaks. It's obviously one remains true to a promise.



No problem, we're cool yes
I think I made it clear that I'm in no position to share anything, so hopefully no one will harrass me lol
Anyway, as I said, I have very few things left that didn't leak since I got them, so there's no cause for anyone to get very excited about it.

Smart. smile
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #192 posted 10/24/25 1:22pm

Vannormal

JoeyCococo said:

Does anyone else think here is something very slightly off with the sound on some of the tracks? The 1000 Hugs backgrounds do not sound as sharp as they should....some of it sounds just slightly lo fi.
Considering how good the D&P vault songs sounded, I find this slightly odd....was the leak digitally degraded ever so slightly?




Most of these leaked songs sound to me as rehearsals. Not studio recordings. Am I wrong?
3 Chains O Gold…. Exactly at 2:20, you clearly hear a mistake.
[Edited 10/24/25 13:43pm]
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Reply #193 posted 10/24/25 1:24pm

Vannormal

bizzie said:

It's all so depressing: we're nearing the tenth anniversary of Prince's death, and yet the early years of his career (1975-1982) largely remain an undocumented black hole except for some bootlegs from 30 years ago and a handful of tracks on recent SDEs.


.


We have plenty of books and articles about 1983-1989 but there are still plenty of songs from this era we haven't heard or only in mediocre quality, and basically half of the Purple Rain album is still a mystery (surely there must be early demo/studio recordings for all those songs that were first recorded on 3 August 1983).


.


Hopefully next year's Parade SDE will fill in some gaps, but considering the current estate is seemingly incapable of releasing something in proper quality with proper documentation...


.


And then there's the fertile 1993-1995 era: will we ever get our hands on all those previously unreleased studio recordings and live recordings? All they've done for the 30th anniversary of TGE is show parts of some concert videos to people who've paid stupid money to visit Paisley Park.


Fully agree. But yeah. What can we do about it? PR musical focus… merch… changing teams… no communication. I guess there is justvlittlz to nothing to communicate about. And probably one or two people are working on that gigantic archive. We don’t even know if or who they are.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #194 posted 10/24/25 2:32pm

psyche2

olb99 said:

scififilmnerd said:

I think he meant that not all Vault tracks from that period were included in the set. I think the leak included all the tracks included on the Diamonds And Love set. smile But I've never seen a track list either. confused

[Edited 10/24/25 10:23am]

Yeah, we know some of the leaked tracks are WIP or incomplete versions, so we know other versions of those songs exist. And then we have other songs from the same period that weren’t included, for some mysterious reason. As I said his reply is interesting and irrelevant at the same time.

^And I think that's his point - to remain relevant and powerful and in the know, without giving anything away.

[Edited 10/24/25 14:32pm]

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Reply #195 posted 10/24/25 3:15pm

BoraBora

Now this is something I would really like to have.

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Reply #196 posted 10/24/25 5:01pm

fishwillbite

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bizzie said:

It's all so depressing: we're nearing the tenth anniversary of Prince's death, and yet the early years of his career (1975-1982) largely remain an undocumented black hole except for some bootlegs from 30 years ago and a handful of tracks on recent SDEs.


.


We have plenty of books and articles about 1983-1989 but there are still plenty of songs from this era we haven't heard or only in mediocre quality, and basically half of the Purple Rain album is still a mystery (surely there must be early demo/studio recordings for all those songs that were first recorded on 3 August 1983).


.


Hopefully next year's Parade SDE will fill in some gaps, but considering the current estate is seemingly incapable of releasing something in proper quality with proper documentation...


.


And then there's the fertile 1993-1995 era: will we ever get our hands on all those previously unreleased studio recordings and live recordings? All they've done for the 30th anniversary of TGE is show parts of some concert videos to people who've paid stupid money to visit Paisley Park.



Yeah it is sad. The other day i heard Nightingale for the first time, what is that, from like 1977? It’s beautiful. So much stuff still to be heard.
PIPS! Eurgh...
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Reply #197 posted 10/24/25 5:44pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

Good god, some of this is hideous. Lol. Fun in a way but also just awful. This version of the flow is BAD
And the church rave, it's cool but sounds like a bad remix of trust.
[Edited 10/24/25 17:44pm]
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Reply #198 posted 10/24/25 6:08pm

spaceboy

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Good god, some of this is hideous. Lol. Fun in a way but also just awful. This version of the flow is BAD And the church rave, it's cool but sounds like a bad remix of trust. [Edited 10/24/25 17:44pm]

Rave is too full. Between all the extra layers of soundcake I really would like to hear the fundament.

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Reply #199 posted 10/24/25 6:10pm

spaceboy

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SuperHero said:

With This Tear always has been one of my favorite songs from this era and always wondered how the prince version would be. Finally I could hear it and it is heart

What a great surprise this set is music

[Edited 10/21/25 22:42pm]

With your tagname... how does superhero land

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Reply #200 posted 10/24/25 6:24pm

paraded

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Good god, some of this is hideous. Lol. Fun in a way but also just awful. This version of the flow is BAD And the church rave, it's cool but sounds like a bad remix of trust. [Edited 10/24/25 17:44pm]

I agree. So far I'm not that impressed and think there was probably a reason this material didn't get the green light. But clearly i'm the minority, since I liked the D&P SDE material, which has been trashed by others. Still cool to hear, but nothing so far has made me sit up like "Open Book" or "Thunder Ballet."

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Reply #201 posted 10/24/25 7:01pm

databank

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olb99 said:

bizzie said:

It's all so depressing

Depressing, baffling, disappointing, lazy, incompetent, etc. Many qualifiers apply to this situation/Estate. I’m not on Twitter/X. Have TTC reacted to the leak yet?

Who's TCC?
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Reply #202 posted 10/24/25 7:18pm

lustmealways

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this is very, very likely the only new prince material anyone will be getting for at least another year, probably more, so folks should enjoy and savor.

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Reply #203 posted 10/24/25 7:47pm

Ndorphinmachin
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Good god, some of this is hideous. Lol. Fun in a way but also just awful. This version of the flow is BAD
And the church rave, it's cool but sounds like a bad remix of trust.
[Edited 10/24/25 17:44pm]


It depends what you're expecting to get out of it.

Personally I'm still really liking "Face to face". The Sample from "Forever in my life", the chorus that would be reworked into "Space", is fascinating. Moreso when you look at the IWBYL sample in MNIP. Seems like a goal of prince was in some capacity to "look back"... Or perhaps they were songs Mayte had a particular fondness for?

The song itself isn't particularly special, but it is super interesting.

Prince giving a by the numbers vocal performance (understandable if he was just "getting something down") over a pre-recorded beat is never going to be as interesting as a fully worked song/live studio recording or rehearsal where he's being chatty/cheeky.

I think there's plenty on here that's worth repeated listens. Though I'm curious how much of this material was ever actually considered for inclusion on the album. Genuine outtakes Vs unreleased songs that were simply recorded around the same time.

Plenty here to keep me entertained though.
[Edited 10/24/25 19:48pm]
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Reply #204 posted 10/24/25 7:56pm

olb99

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databank said:

olb99 said:

Depressing, baffling, disappointing, lazy, incompetent, etc. Many qualifiers apply to this situation/Estate. I’m not on Twitter/X. Have TTC reacted to the leak yet?

Who's TCC?


TTC = "those two cunts" = how Neversin once refered two McMillan/Spicer on Reddit.

[Edited 10/24/25 19:58pm]

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Reply #205 posted 10/24/25 8:35pm

SuperHero

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spaceboy said:

SuperHero said:

With This Tear always has been one of my favorite songs from this era and always wondered how the prince version would be. Finally I could hear it and it is heart

What a great surprise this set is music

[Edited 10/21/25 22:42pm]

With your tagname... how does superhero land

Good question cool

Well..... it's different. Not sure yet if that's in a good way. Will give it some more spins.

But this collection for sure has some gems, really like most of it so far.

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Reply #206 posted 10/24/25 9:00pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

In fairness I still need to hear it all. It's nice to hear I hear your voice in better quality.
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Reply #207 posted 10/24/25 9:13pm

cfluid

We get new leaks out of the clear blue and folks still aren't satisfied! I would buy it if it ever comes out, but right now I'm more than happy to have these new songs, good or not so good. I'm not expecting out of thousands of songs created, that Prince is going to have 1000 hits. Some are good and some are mid, but it is still Prince and his art. One thing about Prince's music that I have noticed- it has the ability to absolutely grow on ya. There are songs that I completely disliked at 1st listen, but years later I've completely 360ed on that. Also, there's a few songs that I've wanted to get my hands on for decades that are among this leak, and for that alone, I'm happy. We'll eventually get more tunes but for right now it's cool because at this time last week some of us didn't even know that some of this stuff even existed!

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Reply #208 posted 10/24/25 9:13pm

rudeboy4711

bizzie said:

It's all so depressing: we're nearing the tenth anniversary of Prince's death, and yet the early years of his career (1975-1982) largely remain an undocumented black hole except for some bootlegs from 30 years ago and a handful of tracks on recent SDEs.


.


We have plenty of books and articles about 1983-1989 but there are still plenty of songs from this era we haven't heard or only in mediocre quality, and basically half of the Purple Rain album is still a mystery (surely there must be early demo/studio recordings for all those songs that were first recorded on 3 August 1983).


.


Hopefully next year's Parade SDE will fill in some gaps, but considering the current estate is seemingly incapable of releasing something in proper quality with proper documentation...


.


And then there's the fertile 1993-1995 era: will we ever get our hands on all those previously unreleased studio recordings and live recordings? All they've done for the 30th anniversary of TGE is show parts of some concert videos to people who've paid stupid money to visit Paisley Park.



Yep, hands down the most obscure era in terms of a substancial lack of circulating unreleased material is the Dirty Mind era. I don’t think I’ve even heard of any uncirculating DM outtakes being out there in the hands of a select few. We only know of a few song titles but that’s it! Given that some refer to DM as the first “true” Prince album and that we’re nearing its 50th anniversary, it’s baffling to me how there’s been almost close to nothing from that era other than Lisa, Rough, the Sister demos, and 3 live shows (2 of them in video).
[Edited 10/24/25 21:14pm]
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Reply #209 posted 10/24/25 10:34pm

JoeyCococo

JoeyCococo said:

Does anyone else think here is something very slightly off with the sound on some of the tracks? The 1000 Hugs backgrounds do not sound as sharp as they should....some of it sounds just slightly lo fi.
Considering how good the D&P vault songs sounded, I find this slightly odd....was the leak digitally degraded ever so slightly?






1000 Hugs is def from tape…no way it is from the masters.
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