freohrrr said:

themanfromneptune said:

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TBH this seems bullshit to me.

I don't know what to tell you then...

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Let me explain: based on this premise, no one should ever share anything because it could potentially end up on some bootleg CD. This is ridiculous. I understand the reserve of those who fear harming someone who had first access to the songs, but if we're talking about these songs today, it's because they were leaked to all Prince fans, not because a secretive circle has had them for themselves over the past year. And—no—the idea that I have to be part of a small network to secretly benefit from songs without sharing them with the rest of the Prince fan community doesn't appeal to me.

Gooddoctor23 said:

Vannormal said:

Everyone should hear them.

But it's the weakest collection of outtakes i heard so far.

100%

But extremely glad 2 have them.

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Me too to be honest.

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I discoverd how great the track "With This tear" is.

Why didn't he put it on Love Symbol, I don't understand.

Celine's version is far below this one.

I haven't gotten into everything but Dreams is so so nice..

I had heard about Face 2 Face being amazing but, so far, it's good...

ShellyMcG said:

Vannormal said:

I co-sign.

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Why databank is exposing himself here...

The so called non-sharing-self-titled-elite-traders read along imho.

That's a little unfair to databank . He explained his own personal reasons and even though I don't necessarily agree, I wasn't trying to call him out or anything. He doesn't owe anyone anything.

By 'exposing' i mean, letting everyone know he had them earlier, concerning future leaks; people might go on him or beg for them. That's all i meant. Nothing negative or personal. Not my style.

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To Databank, I fully understand your explanation about not sharing received leaks. It's obviously one remains true to a promise.

Vannormal said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

100%

But extremely glad 2 have them.

[Edited 10/22/25 19:13pm]

Me too to be honest.

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I discoverd how great the track "With This tear" is.

Why didn't he put it on Love Symbol, I don't understand.

Celine's version is far below this one.

The man had too many damn songs...I think many forget, with the compact disc replacing vinyl and cassette in the late 80s/early 90s, there was no 77 minutes of music you could put on 1 disc...vs 44 on vinyl. So, Prince of course took full advantage and he still had super cuts ...so he had to give them away.

Vannormal said:

Has anyone seen representative/derivative art for how an "album cover" might look ?

wow, I need to search for this. stoked to listen to these

Vannormal said:

ShellyMcG said:

Vannormal said: That's a little unfair to databank . He explained his own personal reasons and even though I don't necessarily agree, I wasn't trying to call him out or anything. He doesn't owe anyone anything.

By 'exposing' i mean, letting everyone know he had them earlier, concerning future leaks; people might go on him or beg for them. That's all i meant. Nothing negative or personal. Not my style.

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To Databank, I fully understand your explanation about not sharing received leaks. It's obviously one remains true to a promise.

themanfromneptune said:

freohrrr said:

I don't know what to tell you then...

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Let me explain: based on this premise, no one should ever share anything because it could potentially end up on some bootleg CD. This is ridiculous. I understand the reserve of those who fear harming someone who had first access to the songs, but if we're talking about these songs today, it's because they were leaked to all Prince fans, not because a secretive circle has had them for themselves over the past year. And—no—the idea that I have to be part of a small network to secretly benefit from songs without sharing them with the rest of the Prince fan community doesn't appeal to me.

That's not what I said at all. I didn't say that stuff shouldn't ever be shared again, I said that it just shouldn't be shared super widely or publicly (basically meaning just don't share it on public forums and stuff). The entire reason that leaks have dried up in the last few years and why the free bootleg labels (e.g.: 4DaFunk, Free Boot Generation) stopped putting stuff out is because of bootleggers like Eye Records immediately pressing up copies of the material and selling it.

freohrrr said:

themanfromneptune said:

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Let me explain: based on this premise, no one should ever share anything because it could potentially end up on some bootleg CD. This is ridiculous. I understand the reserve of those who fear harming someone who had first access to the songs, but if we're talking about these songs today, it's because they were leaked to all Prince fans, not because a secretive circle has had them for themselves over the past year. And—no—the idea that I have to be part of a small network to secretly benefit from songs without sharing them with the rest of the Prince fan community doesn't appeal to me.

That's not what I said at all. I didn't say that stuff shouldn't ever be shared again, I said that it just shouldn't be shared super widely or publicly (basically meaning just don't share it on public forums and stuff). The entire reason that leaks have dried up in the last few years and why the free bootleg labels (e.g.: 4DaFunk, Free Boot Generation) stopped putting stuff out is because of bootleggers like Eye Records immediately pressing up copies of the material and selling it.

I know indeed that some people were super upset to see Eye profiting from material they'd shared with people they trusted, and obviously someone fucked up along the way and sold it. And I was once told how much you get paid by bootleggers for the material, and if the numbers were true (I don't recall how much, but it was a lot), it's really upsetting for those people who did not try and make profit from what they had. The politics are incredibly complicated TBH.

Ironically, those people who bought those Eye CDs because they wanted fancy packages instead of just being happy with Flac files (I remember long debates here about "Why would you pay for bootlegs?" "Because I'm old school and I want physical releases") indeed contributed to killing down free leaks

ShellyMcG said:

databank said:

I don't know all the politics behind everything, but I assume those people who originally shared stuff with me never intended for it to leak, and I certainly never knew if and when something would leak before it happened. And like I said, you never know whether your copy was discreetely tagged, so it could lead back to you and then you're burnt and you'll never get anything else. Word goes fast in the community. To give you an example, I once realized my original copy of The Flesh had slight, almost unnoticeable, yet clearly intentional differences with what eventually leaked: the tampering was very likely tags, and I'll never know if it went back several generations or if those tags were intended for me personally.

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Besides, I never knew who leaked what I had. I guess someone trusts someone who trusts someone who trusts someone and so on, until you get someone who decides to leak it or sell it. I know sometimes a few traders decided to leak stuff and didn't give a fuck who they'd upset, because they had enough uncirculating material to not depend on anyone giving them more, or they didn't care, but IDK if that was the case with anything I had. In some cases, I know for a fact that the stuff was sold to a bootleg label before it leaked, so the incentive was definitely money, but I never had a clue who did it. You usually don't know who has what, because everyone is so secretive about it. Sometimes you are even strictly instructed not to TELL anyone you have something, even if you wouldn't share it.

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But at the end of the day it's really just a matter of being trustworthy or not, and not stabbing friends in the back. I hope you can understand.

Thank you. I do. At least, I understand why you wouldn't share it widely if it was an actual friend who asked you not to. Even if I do find all the cloak and dagger stuff a bit ridiculous. But if it was just some random guy who threatened not to give me more music if I shared it then I'd share it anyway. I don't like ultimatums and I value sharing what little I have with those I know will enjoy it over hoarding it for myself in the hope I get more. And just so you know, I wasn't kidding about sharing anything I get. If I get anything good, I'll be sharing it with all you lovely people. No strings attached.

JoeyCococo said:

Vannormal said:

Me too to be honest.

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I discoverd how great the track "With This tear" is.

Why didn't he put it on Love Symbol, I don't understand.

Celine's version is far below this one.

The man had too many damn songs...I think many forget, with the compact disc replacing vinyl and cassette in the late 80s/early 90s, there was no 77 minutes of music you could put on 1 disc...vs 44 on vinyl. So, Prince of course took full advantage and he still had super cuts ...so he had to give them away.

https://princevault.com/i...um:_Symbol

databank said:

databank said:

TBH even if you're not close friends, if someone tells you "I think you're reliable, can I trust you with this?", and they don't ask you for money or anything in return, and you say "yes, I promise I won't share or leak it", and they give it to you, you're not gonna be an asshole and stab them in the back. I can assure you when I was given the Flesh sessions before they leaked, which were always one of my two holy grail (the other being Madrid 2 Chicago, but no one I know seems to have this), I wasn't particularly close to the person at that stage, but I was so fucking happy and grateful I wasn't ever going to break my oath and disappoint them regardless of whether they'd give me more later or not. And that's also how you end up making new friends in the end anyway: building trust...

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"Madrid 2 Chicago" the album? I did not ever know there was a tracklist except the two npgmc tracks...

databank said:

dodger07 said:

databank said:

TBH even if you're not close friends, if someone tells you "I think you're reliable, can I trust you with this?", and they don't ask you for money or anything in return, and you say "yes, I promise I won't share or leak it", and they give it to you, you're not gonna be an asshole and stab them in the back. I can assure you when I was given the Flesh sessions before they leaked, which we re always one of my two holy grail (the other being Madrid 2 Chicago, but no one I know seems to have this), I wasn't particularly close to the person at that stage, but I was so fucking happy and grateful I wasn't ever going to break my oath and disappoint them regardless of whether they'd give me more later or not. And that's also how you end up making new friends in the end anyway: building trust...

I’ve got Madrid 2 Chicago but fucking no way you’re getting it after you didn’t share these Diamonds & Love tracks with me

themanfromneptune said:

databank said:

TBH even if you're not close friends, if someone tells you "I think you're reliable, can I trust you with this?", and they don't ask you for money or anything in return, and you say "yes, I promise I won't share or leak it", and they give it to you, you're not gonna be an asshole and stab them in the back. I can assure you when I was given the Flesh sessions before they leaked, which were always one of my two holy grail (the other being Madrid 2 Chicago, but no one I know seems to have this), I wasn't particularly close to the person at that stage, but I was so fucking happy and grateful I wasn't ever going to break my oath and disappoint them regardless of whether they'd give me more later or not. And that's also how you end up making new friends in the end anyway: building trust...

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"Madrid 2 Chicago" the album? I did not ever know there was a tracklist except the two npgmc tracks...

Does anyone know if a tracklist for the “Diamonds and Love” box has ever surfaced anywhere?
It would probably have been a super deluxe edition, right? But what exactly would have gone into that box?

The Diamonds and Pearls super deluxe was about 12 LPs / 8 CDs thick, and if you added the material from the Love album, the single versions, and those 29 leaked tracks (maybe even a live disc from the Act I tour?), the set would’ve been so big and heavy that no one could’ve carried it home. Assuming, of course, their home was even large enough to fit it.

Most likely, the “D&P” vault material wouldn’t have been included as extensively as on the D&P Super Deluxe, which would’ve been a shame too.

siim said:

MIRvmn1 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

MIRvmn1 said:

databank said:

themanfromneptune said:

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"Madrid 2 Chicago" the album? I did not ever know there was a tracklist except the two npgmc tracks...

https://princevault.com/i..._2_Chicago

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Yeah, I know, but I didn't imagine could be a leak of this project somewhere

Matthieu Bitton (@candyTman) wrote on X :

"Well whoever leaked this probably assumed the official release will never see the light of day. But at least it's not ALL the vault tracks."

Also, it is noticeably missing any of the contemporaneous “I’ll do anything” tracks and “I wonder”

siim said:

Does anyone know if a tracklist for the “Diamonds and Love” box has ever surfaced anywhere?
It would probably have been a super deluxe edition, right? But what exactly would have gone into that box?

The Diamonds and Pearls super deluxe was about 12 LPs / 8 CDs thick, and if you added the material from the Love album, the single versions, and those 29 leaked tracks (maybe even a live disc from the Act I tour?), the set would’ve been so big and heavy that no one could’ve carried it home. Assuming, of course, their home was even large enough to fit it.

Most likely, the “D&P” vault material wouldn’t have been included as extensively as on the D&P Super Deluxe, which would’ve been a shame too.

I don't recall seeing any tracklist, but even discarding the 7" and 12" material from both D&P and it would have been a MASSIVE set.

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Just specualting for the sake of it, maybe "Diamonds and Love" had this recently leaked set of vault materail assigned to it, and then when the project got split in two different SDE the configurations were expanded with more/different vault material to each album?

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I'm personally enjoying this leak way more than D&P SDE, and I'm having the (subjective) impression that maybe we were left with the weakest of both projects. Too bad about the missing video material to go with this...

Vannormal said: