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We are really spoiled You have to admit we are real lucky. We have access to lots of free boots and the vast array of Prince tunes. But we whine for more. Dumb, I want more too but we have so much already. Tell me how u wanna b done. | |
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I ain't spoilt. Speak for yourself lol. My boots are old dusty VHS's or CDrs that don't play anymore. | |
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I can only speak for myself here, as everyone has their own take, but I think Prince fans have become a bit unrealistic in their expectations. Prince left behind an absolutely staggering amount of music for us to discover—and that's not even counting the vault material. Since his passing, we've been blessed with vault release after vault release, yet somehow it's never enough. We want everything, and we want it immediately. Has every release been perfect? Of course not. But here's the thing: we're getting exponentially more legacy music and content now than we ever received when Prince was alive and calling the shots. Think about it—would we have gotten that incredible Around the World in a Day reissue with all the singles, remixes, and pristine remastering if Prince were still here? Absolutely not. Would we have experienced those gorgeous super deluxe editions of Sign O' The Times or Diamonds and Pearls? Not a chance. _ Prince was notoriously protective of his catalog and had very specific ideas about how his music should be presented. He was always looking forward, rarely backward. The comprehensive archival treatments we're seeing now—complete with rare tracks, alternate versions, and meticulous liner notes—simply weren't part of his vision. Yet, due to our access to bootlegs we feel in the know and entitled to certain things. Lastly, there has been a lot of bitching about the focus on merch and such. I get it to an extent. - Now we have access to merchandise spanning his entire catalog. Designs from every era, reimagined and officially licensed. It's a fan's dream that's become reality only because the estate understands what we've been craving all along. So maybe it's time we step back and appreciate what we have. We're living through an unprecedented era of Prince discovery, getting access to music and memorabilia that might have stayed locked in Paisley Park forever. Instead of demanding more, faster, perhaps we should savor the fact that we're experiencing Prince's artistry in ways he never intended us to—and finding magic in every revelation.
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^agreed to all of the above. I am appreciative of what we have, but I admit , I'm a greedy maximalist. If there are however many versions of Purple Rain in the vault I want to hear them all before I pass. I don't really consider this a contradiction. | |
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. Oh please, there are plenty post-Warners albums that he stopped promoting once the check cleared. Albums where just about every track never got played live. Albums that were basically DOA because Prince did not give a shit about them. . And he gave tons of concerts that featured not a single song recorded in the ten years previously, or even longer ago. There are concerts from the 2010s where the most recent song dates from the early 1990s, and all the rest are from the 1980s or earlier. He'd spend ten+ minutes jamming on some old disco tune (and always the same one) and then yell he had too many hits to perform them all in concert. . And yeah, I know we wouldn't have gotten all this when he was alive. I bitched about that numerous times and famz got upset about that because they couldn't stand to see valid criticism of Prince. . That still doesn't mean the estate gets a free pass. "Vault after vault release"? LMAO. It's been TWO YEARS since the D&P SDE (which was meh because that whole era was meh), and all we're getting is a remastered + expanded release we should have gotten back in the 1990s or in the first year after Prince's death, and we're supposed to be grateful? . I'm getting old. Tons of fans are getting old. I wanna hear those sweet sweet 1980s outtakes in pristine quality. I wanna read previously unknown details about them. Yeah, Prince is to blame in significant part. Those outtakes were rotting in a vault when they should have been monetised in the late 1990s/early2000s when we got so many expanded releases from other artists, when such releases made tons of money right before the implosion of the music industry. . Since the D&P SDE the estate has released half a dozen songs, and most of them are alternate versions of previously released tracks or even simply remastered tracks. They proclaimed "the vault is free" seven months ago and they released a single track, an underwhelming acoustic cover of "Free". . If they don't know how to monetise the vault's contents, give it to a company like Cherry Red who specializes in that. That company has released two five-CD box sets of The RAH Band, a literal one-hit wonder, yet somehow the Prince estate cannot figure out to make money selling Prince music? | |
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^Have to agree much more with the troll than with this one
^It sounds like you're very much into merch and t-shirts
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Times have changed. Get on a Discord group and start collecting digital files. There is a lot of stuff to enjoy, fans have taken the time to enhance/remaster. | |
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He's been dead 9 and a half years. In that time, we've got; Purple Rain Deluxe Edition Nowhere near as comprehensive as it should have been 1999 Super Deluxe Edition Pretty good set with some strange omissions but overall, a big step up from the Purple Rain set. Sign o The Times Super Deluxe Edition Another good set but severely overpriced Diamonds & Pearls Super Deluxe Edition Again, decent amount of outtakes but far too expensive for what you get. Originals Great idea that should have been expanded on with a second, third, fourth and fifth volume by now. Piano & A Microphone Maybe some people like this but I listened to it once and I'll never listen to it again Welcome 2 America Not everyone's cup of tea but for me, this is the most interesting set released since his death as it's the closest thing we've had to a "new" album. So in the 9+ years since he's been gone, we've have 7 meaningful releases that included vault material as well as reissues of other albums and the odd b-side or alternate version of a song thrown out randomly. It's not a terrible run of releases but it could and should have been far better. What's most frustrating though is not that we haven't gotten better or more regular releases. It's that the Prince Estate don't seem to have an actual plan in place. And if they do, there has been ZERO effort made in actually communicating that plan. Months ago, they said The Vault Has Been Freed. After several months go by they finally announce a new release and it contains no vault material whatsoever. That kind of says it all. | |
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The problem is not what has been released so far (ie since 2016), the problem is what the new team has done since they took over (in 2022) which is "something close to nothing" if you put aside D&P SDE that was ready to go thanks to the previous team's work.
It doesn't bode well for the future. [Edited 9/30/25 9:20am] | |
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fredmagnus said:
The problem is not what has been released so far (ie since 2016), the problem is what the new team has done since they took over (in 2022) which is "something close to nothing" if you put aside D&P SDE that was ready to go thanks to the previous team's work.
It doesn't bode well for the future. [Edited 9/30/25 9:20am] Yeah, that's true. It doesn't inspire much confidence for the future. | |
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I hear your frustration, but I think you're kind of proving my point here. You're upset that Prince didn't promote his post-Warner albums properly, that he played too many old hits in concert, that he jammed on the same disco tunes, and that he didn't monetize the vault in the 1990s and 2000s when he should have. You openly admit you criticized him for this while he was alive and other fans got upset with you. - And now you're equally frustrated with the estate for not releasing material fast enough, for the "vault is open" announcement producing just one track, and for the pace being too slow. So... you were unhappy then, and you're unhappy now? At what point do we acknowledge that maybe the issue isn't entirely with Prince or the estate, but with expectations that might be impossible to meet? - Don't get me wrong—I understand wanting those 1980s outtakes in pristine quality. We all do, and we're all getting older. The "vault is open" thing was legitimately disappointing. But we've gotten 1999, Sign O' The Times, Diamonds and Pearls, multiple expanded editions, and various other releases that would have been absolutely unthinkable when Prince was controlling everything. Yes, it's been two years since the last super deluxe. Yes, the pace has slowed. But the reality is that managing Prince's estate is incredibly complex—legal battles, family disputes, licensing issues, and coordinating multiple parties who all have different visions. It's not comparable to a one-hit wonder's catalog that Cherry Red can package up quickly. - I guess my question is: if nothing Prince did while alive satisfied you, and nothing the estate does now satisfies you either, what would actually make you happy? [Edited 9/30/25 17:21pm] "New Power slide...." | |
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I'm into all things Prince. You don't own/wear a Prince t-shirt? "New Power slide...." | |
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I'm into all things Prince. You don't own/wear a Prince t-shirt? I, for one, couldn't give a shit about a T-shirt(or any merch). I have 4 tour shirts and a lotusflower.com founding member shirt. I bought them all from prince. I'm 51 years old. I don't need another novelty T. If I can't hear it on my hifi or my headphones, I'm not buying anything from the estate. | |
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bonnie184 said:
Times have changed. Get on a Discord group and start collecting digital files. There is a lot of stuff to enjoy, fans have taken the time to enhance/remaster. Thank you for this. I’m aware of digital files. I’m just too lazy of a grandpa to seek them out. I usually just subscribe to many YouTube channels that post P boots. It’s a little more convenient for me. | |
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[Edited 9/30/25 10:46am] The Michael Jackson estate did something similar with MJ's work on that Xcape album. And it went down like a lead balloon so I don't think the Prince Estate would be THAT stupid. Though, I actually wouldn't mind it IF they do what the Jackson estate did and include a bonus disc which features all the original versions as well. At least we'd still get the original recordings from the vault and maybe the "updated" versions could be used to sell Prince to the kids and widen his audience. | |
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. He should have worked with Warners, simple as that. . Also, CB was atrocious. And the NPGMC offerings were random, incomplete, censored,... | |
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. You obviously know nothing about Cherry Red. Those box sets contain liner notes, contain previously unreleased songs, contain a bunch of photos, and all of it is remastered. They're currently doing a reissue campaign for Sheena Easton which is soon resulting in yet another box set featuring dozens of unreleased tracks, including a whole unreleased album (plus previously unreleased versions of "Eternity"). . And again: explain how there is money to be earned by releasing TWO FIVE CD BOX SETS of a one hit wonder, considering all the time and effort they invested in those packages, and considering they're *licensing* the music from a major label, but not in Prince music. | |
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So, maybe you are not the audience for these type of things? "New Power slide...." | |
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I know the wonderful box sets put out by Cherry Red. What I don't understand is their business model. You tell me: How does it work? How does the label make money? How much of that will Sheena Easton see? I am open to learning. How would WB/NPG/etc collaborate with Cherry Red. Is it NOT possible that Prince's estate/licensing/deal is more complex than Sheena's? "New Power slide...." | |
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Reality Check: The Purple Kingdom (Prince music) is dead. Graycap23 was ME! | |
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I get the distinct impression that releasing anything Prince is like herding cats. First up you have to get the estate to agree and they are internally at loggerheads in a very passionate way (Sharon Nelson very publicly opposed the diamonds and Pearls SDE) Then you have to deal with the work for hire provisions in the Digital millennium Copyright act which means that say, everything that Prince recorded during the WB years could be thought to belong to WB including unreleased songs. I consider this very unfair because as it applies to WBR and Prince the represents retrospectively contending that when Prince was working at 2am at Paisley in 1989 , he was really working for them rather than himself, which is a type of slavery by confusion. And then we have primary wave. I would love to see is all these parties working in consensus, but I'm not holding my breath. | |
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We're not spoiled, and we're certainly not entitled.
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Trufunksoulja said: We're not spoiled, and we're certainly not entitled.
As I said earlier in this very thread, several months ago they said the Vault was free. And now the first major release since they made that statement contains ZERO material from the vault. I know a couple orgers on here try to make excuses for the estate but there is absolutely no excusing the fact that they are absolute shit at managing fan expectations. | |
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No. I never wear that. I also never wear visual brand names, tags, or signs. Why should I? I'm not a walking commercial wall or advertising boar'd for others, to see what i like or can afford. I'm an adult. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts." (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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It's just hilarious to see famz go "you know what, we've been getting too much music". Imagine defending the estate after two years of next to nothing. | |
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. Who cares? They've been doing this for decades, it must be a beneficial arrangement for everyone involved. .
. Considering that she is collaborating with them, she's getting paid. .
. Two of their Sheena releases contain previously unreleased versions of tracks Prince worked on. . Also, Sheena has worked with plenty of producers, musicians, songwriters etc. throughout her career. How would that be less complex? . (And sure, Prince likely left behind a contractual mess because he was a bad businessman, but still, why would the people involved in these recordings refuse to work with the estate when it means they would get paid?) . Want another example? Paul from SuperDeluxeEdition.com has been releasing Blu-ray Audio discs for several years now, 50+ in fact. These often contain exclusive audio streams. His release of FGTH's Welcome To The Pleasuredome has seven different audio streams for the album, plus six bonus tracks in various formats, plus a 30 minute remix of the title track. Half of its contents are exclusive to his release. Now compare to the Purple Rain Blu-ray audio release. . Explain to me how a guy who runs a blog can work with numerous record companies, manage to release 50+ Blu-ray Audio discs, often has exclusive audio on these releases, yet the Prince estate has only managed to release a handful of tracks digitally in the past two years. Oh yeah, and the perfunctory and underwhelming Blu-ray Audio disc of Purple Rain. The estate is so incompetent that they didn't manage to get a deal in place with Warners to get the Dolby Atmos version of the Purple Rain movie included on the 4K UHD. . "We are really spoiled." LMAO. | |
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That's a valid personal choice, but the condescension isn't necessary. Wearing a band shirt isn't about being a "walking commercial"—it's about expressing what you love and connecting with other fans. - And let's be honest: we all make statements through our appearance. The "no logos, no brands" approach is itself a deliberate choice that says something about you. It's not inherently more mature than someone who wears their fandom openly. - Music t-shirts have been part of pop culture for decades. They're souvenirs, conversation starters, and ways to celebrate artists we love. Dismissing that as childish or commercialized misses the point entirely. You do you, but I'm not looking down on fans who enjoy wearing merch...or those who don't. Again, you def aren't the target audience in this regard.
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