are you listening to it in Dolby Atmos or just regular sound? If Atmos, what do you use for it as I want to hear it in the best sound be it through my iphone and apple music or another way.

JoeyCococo said:

Chris James did a superb job on this. I am very excited to hear Condition of the Heart and all the subtleties.

Does Chris James work for Bernie Grundman?
I was under the impression Bernie's crew (possibly himself) was responsible for this phenomenal work, at least it says so on the official website blurbs.

I'm with you Joey. These remasters are truly fantastic, taking your brain back like a Delorean to the amazing way Prince, Susan and Coke engineered. I never understood, and never will, the complaints about the poor quality of Prince's recordings during the eighties; they were inventive, risk-taking, alive, dynamic, organic, miles away from the FM soup that was flowing out of speakers at the time.

The other day I was wondering in Prince's reddit channel, reading of how the Org had become a lair for old grouchy mopers, and frankly/sadly, I'm inclined to agree.

Not so say the Estate hasn't huge problems in vision, direction and presumably management that must be fixed, but this whining ad nauseam is really ruining the forum, making me wonder how Ben and his good soul found the courage to go to all the trouble of moving it on a faster (and compatible!) server if the Org's primary purpose is to witness a bunch of spoiled brats moping over and over on how bad things are for their pathological obsession of getting unreleased material.

We know the timeframe of the ATWIAD album, what unreleased songs are there to put their mittens on exactly? Isn't it enough to get all this fabulous material, along with the legendary B-Sides and the extraordinary little jewel that is "4 The Tears In Your Eyes ([Mobile] Studio Version [eating stale sandwiches])"?

Anyway, I too am salivating in eager anticipation.


Atmos is only good if the material was recorded for it on purpose, with 5.1 and above mixing in mind at the production stage. I think it's antithetic to records pre-dating the technology, it often ends up in gimmicks. And as peedub said elsewherez, it isn't what Prince had in mind or in his eardrums when mixing.

These remasters, and the fabulously immersive SOTT from Chris James prove you only need two channels to create three dimensions in audio.

[Edited 9/14/25 19:59pm]

JoeyCococo said:

I bought the 24 bit downloads of. America, and Paisley Park (last night).

Where are these being sold?

JoeyCococo said:

Chris James did a superb job on this.

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Chris James has nothing to do with the remastering. READ THE CREDITS.

FancyLesbian said:

JoeyCococo said:

I bought the 24 bit downloads of. America, and Paisley Park (last night).

Where are these being sold?

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In the places that get mentioned every time we discuss this. Also, Google exists.

FancyLesbian said:

JoeyCococo said:

I bought the 24 bit downloads of. America, and Paisley Park (last night).

Where are these being sold?

In Canada, I bought through QoBoz....

bizzie said:

JoeyCococo said:

Chris James did a superb job on this.

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Chris James has nothing to do with the remastering. READ THE CREDITS.

From the Estate, with editorial bolding by me:

Fully remastered by original mastering engineer Bernie Grundman with additional mastering by Chris James, this definitive edition is available on CD and vinyl, including black, blue marble, and apicture disc exclusive to the Official Prince Store.

Doozer said:

BonnieC said:

Doozer said:

bizzie said:

From the Estate, with editorial bolding by me:

Fully remastered by original mastering engineer Bernie Grundman with additional mastering by Chris James, this definitive edition is available on CD and vinyl, including black, blue marble, and apicture disc exclusive to the Official Prince Store.

Isn't the additional mastering referring to the Atmos remix, which is indeed probably mastered by Chris James himself and not Bernie Grundman (?).

The credits for the "Paisley Park" remix on YouTube are:

Mastering Engineer: Bernie Grundman Producer: Bob Rivkin Audio Recording Engineer: David Leonard Producer: Lisa Coleman Producer: Mark Brown Producer: Matt Blistan Producer: Matt Fink Violin: Novi Novog Audio Recording Engineer: Peggy McCreary Mixing Engineer: Prince Guitar, Instruments: Prince Producer: Prince Lead Vocals: Prince Audio Recording Engineer: Susan Rogers Producer: Wendy Melvoin Writer: Prince

No mention of Chris James here.

Doozer said:

bizzie said:

From the Estate, with editorial bolding by me:

Fully remastered by original mastering engineer Bernie Grundman with additional mastering by Chris James, this definitive edition is available on CD and vinyl, including black, blue marble, and apicture disc exclusive to the Official Prince Store.

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Those aren't credits, that's a promo text. And it obviously refers to the Dolby Atmos mix.

erik319 said:

Doozer said:

There have been many angry Org gatekeepers over the years, ready to pounce with a snarky comment. But they tended to vent their bile from a place of knowledge. This one.. not so much

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I know the difference between credits and a promo text. Do you?

bizzie said:

erik319 said:

Doozer said: There have been many angry Org gatekeepers over the years, ready to pounce with a snarky comment. But they tended to vent their bile from a place of knowledge. This one.. not so much

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I know the difference between credits and a promo text. Do you?

I know an angry incel fan when I reply to one, that's for sure.

olb99 said:

Doozer said:

Isn't the additional mastering referring to the Atmos remix, which is indeed probably mastered by Chris James himself and not Bernie Grundman (?).

The credits for the "Paisley Park" remix on YouTube are:

Mastering Engineer: Bernie Grundman Producer: Bob Rivkin Audio Recording Engineer: David Leonard Producer: Lisa Coleman Producer: Mark Brown Producer: Matt Blistan Producer: Matt Fink Violin: Novi Novog Audio Recording Engineer: Peggy McCreary Mixing Engineer: Prince Guitar, Instruments: Prince Producer: Prince Lead Vocals: Prince Audio Recording Engineer: Susan Rogers Producer: Wendy Melvoin Writer: Prince

No mention of Chris James here.

Aren't these credits the usual automated crap from Youtube?

Listing the whole Revolution as "producer" ?
Including Atlanta Bliss ?

Not to be trusted in MHO.

BonnieC said:

olb99 said:

Isn't the additional mastering referring to the Atmos remix, which is indeed probably mastered by Chris James himself and not Bernie Grundman (?).

The credits for the "Paisley Park" remix on YouTube are:

Mastering Engineer: Bernie Grundman Producer: Bob Rivkin Audio Recording Engineer: David Leonard Producer: Lisa Coleman Producer: Mark Brown Producer: Matt Blistan Producer: Matt Fink Violin: Novi Novog Audio Recording Engineer: Peggy McCreary Mixing Engineer: Prince Guitar, Instruments: Prince Producer: Prince Lead Vocals: Prince Audio Recording Engineer: Susan Rogers Producer: Wendy Melvoin Writer: Prince

No mention of Chris James here.

Aren't these credits the usual automated crap from Youtube?

Listing the whole Revolution as "producer" ?
Including Atlanta Bliss ?

Not to be trusted in MHO.

Yeah, it's full of mistakes. But it's not "automatically generated from thin air". Some trainee must have entered those names somewhere.

Anyway, no sign of Chris James, but Bernie Grundman is mentioned. That was my point.

andrewcherry said:

this might apply in prince’s case because

a: he’s not around to approve anything and
b: chris james’ atmos mixes are largely hot shit on a paper plate but there’s nothing “antithetic” or “gimmicky” to utilizing mixing technology that wasn’t even an option to utilize in the first place. it depends on the skill and taste of the person who is creating the mixes. pink floyd, björk, air, roberta flack, de la soul, chic, elton john, r.e.m. and joni mitchell all have brilliant atmos mixes. i could go on and on.

the original 5.1 remixes fleetwood mac released are highly regarded. the atmos mixes chris james did for them are mostly fucking terrible.

edit: i am not speaking on “spatial audio” for earbuds.

Point taken.

Still, staying put at the exact center of an audio system to fully enjoy some artificial positioning of instruments (the choice to place some of the tracks behind or above the listener is highly, highly subjective) seems very anal retentive to me.

A bourgeois thing only retired would have the money and the time for (not poiting ad hominem here, we're all getting there), totally oblivious that they can't hear a single frequence above 10 kHz anymore, which no one will ever point to them, and which constitutes a much serious issue than being able to hear a cowbell coming from your rear right; especially when they consider themselves "audiophiles", because of their big fat expense and their living-room filled with invasive speakers.

I'd rather have the industry release 24 tracks stems and let the listener explore a song at will. I think it's a much more enjoyable, interactive and creative musical experience (at least it's the one I have with "Let's Go Crazy").

It's just as elitist (although Audacity is free to download, and a good 5.1 and above system is not), but way less passive.
Since AI stem extracting is rampant, I can't see what the problem would be for recording companies: in these barbaric times, copyright doesn't mean shit anymore anyway.

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olb99 said:

BonnieC said:

Aren't these credits the usual automated crap from Youtube?

Listing the whole Revolution as "producer" ?
Including Atlanta Bliss ?

Not to be trusted in MHO.

Yeah, it's full of mistakes. But it's not "automatically generated from thin air". Some trainee must have entered those names somewhere.

Anyway, no sign of Chris James, but Bernie Grundman is mentioned. That was my point.

A trainee behind every content on Youtube?
As Buddy Holly would say: "That"ll be the day"!

You can bet these are mutiple automated database mergings of .mp3 tags
issued by Warner dating a few decades.

And it's the same for every artist, aberrations are everywhere (quoting Whitney Houston on Dolly Parton's original, this kind of thing). No wonder majors (or should I say, BlackRock) use armies of audio crawling bots instead of relying on these "declarations".

BonnieC said:

BonnieC said:

olb99 said:

Yeah, it's full of mistakes. But it's not "automatically generated from thin air". Some trainee must have entered those names somewhere.

Anyway, no sign of Chris James, but Bernie Grundman is mentioned. That was my point.

A trainee behind every content on Youtube?

That's not what I said or implied.

You can bet these are mutiple automated database mergings of .mp3 tags
issued by Warner dating a few decades.

I don't see why they would be from a few decades ago.

bizzie said:

FancyLesbian said:

Where are these being sold?

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In the places that get mentioned every time we discuss this. Also, Google exists.

JoeyCococo said:

FancyLesbian said:

Where are these being sold?

In Canada, I bought through QoBoz....

Thank you so much. It's so easy to be kind. I bought a 24 bit version from HDTRACKs years ago, and it sounds lovely. Very open and uncompressed. I think it's the best version.

JoeyCococo said:

Can’t hear above 10khz? Could be true but the rest of what you said is inaccurate. I definitely agree, we can’t hear as well as we get older but the remaster can be appreciated despite this- I assure you:)

No doubt.

Nonetheless everyone says so until they check their Loudness curve and use an EQ to compensate.
A colorblind person thinks everybody sees as he sees, until someone points it to them.

https://princevault.com/i...gether_Now

"The song was then released on streaming platforms on 7 July 2023."

so, does anyone know how the Estate gets paid for this when released via Service like Qobuz? Do they make money? I wonder what prevents them from selling it themselves.

JoeyCococo said:

Btw I noticed on Qobuz a high resolution version of All Share Together Now…I did not realize this was available for download

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Mono or stereo?

themanfromneptune said:

JoeyCococo said:

Btw I noticed on Qobuz a high resolution version of All Share Together Now…I did not realize this was available for download

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Mono or stereo?

Oh, great question...I'm going to download it soon...will let you know.

JoeyCococo said:

themanfromneptune said:

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Mono or stereo?

Oh, great question...I'm going to download it soon...will let you know.

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And is it sourced from mp3?...